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obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 5:04:14 PM)
AIRFRAMES AND ENGINES ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Here is the big picture with engines and airframes. This should give a decent idea of the larger scope of airframe and engine production for this game. [image]local://upfiles/37283/97C7C658D4B54133A91BA788796134E1.jpg[/image]

Lokasenna -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 6:05:51 PM)
Good to see numbers. I see some places where you overproduced, and yet when you tally it all up, you "only" spent 2,538,036 HI on planes. Tried attaching my spreadsheet in .xlsx, .xls, and .zip, but it kept telling me not supported.

JocMeister -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 6:14:03 PM)
Just add an .txt and I think it will allow you to upload!

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 6:16:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna Good to see numbers. I see some places where you overproduced, and yet when you tally it all up, you "only" spent 2,538,036 HI on planes. Tried attaching my spreadsheet in .xlsx, .xls, and .zip, but it kept telling me not supported. The thing is, I'm not at all concerned with overproducing now, as there is plenty of HI. Where I could have saved is in using the air groups less in order to save supply, both from daily use costs and replenishing/upgrading air groups.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 8:52:09 PM)
POOLS - TR-P ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I forgot to add the transport and patrol pools. [image]local://upfiles/37283/06E45348A85E4F7882311EFB86590F31.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 9:05:44 PM)
IJ AIR LOSSES ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Here is a look at air losses by category. I'll post a full list later as well. [image]local://upfiles/37283/584F42126AD04589A9569A722E6946B4.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 9:24:14 PM)
ALLIED AIR LOSSES ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Here is the list of the top Allied air losses. It's surprising how many Corsairs are actually on this list, but also the P-47s. I mainly pu this up to compare to Jocke's list for FOW. [image]local://upfiles/37283/A74DCBCF770B4882AB62988A82C12A8D.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 9:28:53 PM)
TOP PILOTS ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ After 1302 turns I couldn't get any of these up over 12 kills. Some did last the entire war though, which is impressive. [image]local://upfiles/37283/2238A92F93DB4AFE9D2BF174982838D6.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 9:57:00 PM)
CV LOSSES ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ When I made this screenshot I didn't think to put them in chronological order, but this seems the most interesting right now, so I rearranged them the old-fashioned way! At the end the IJN still has 7 CVs in good working order (or will in less than a week when the Kasagi and Katsuragi would have gotten out of the shipyards). Two others, the Taiho and the Kaga, might have been able to be used in a one shot strike. [image]local://upfiles/37283/480A100F907A4F98BB793167921DA86E.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/9/2014 10:03:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Since I was in Jocke's AAR from the beginning, I stayed out of yours until you got near the end of '44. It was great to see what was possible as Japan, especially with your NFs. Your AAR will change the strategy of how Allied players use their B-29s and what targets to select for strategic bombing. While players love to see the sinking of CAs and BBs, the steady loss of your DD fleet hurt you by the end. Hopefully, that will happen with Olorin (Nick) in our game (March '44). Thanks for your efforts to provide so much insight to your play. I will try to apply the lessons learned here rather than relearn them the hard way. [:D] KUDOS!! [&o][&o] Thanks Michael. I'm curious what you mean about the DD losses hurting me in the end. Actually I didn't really feel too short. I did use a lot of the 27 knot Matsu class, but they did as well as the better IJN DDs by the end, (none of them doing very well, that is). They were really only there for sub protection by 45, and in every encounter the IJN would lose 2x the DDs of the Allies. Let me know what you mean if you have time. I'd love to know what you're referring to in relation to the DDs.

RogerJNeilson -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 9:21:19 AM)
Kudos to both of you for a very entertaining and informative journey... Must feel very weird having finished. Roger

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 10:36:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3 Kudos to both of you for a very entertaining and informative journey... Must feel very weird having finished. Roger It does! I'm going through al of this data now though which is also kind of fun. I wish I had a full tracker list for the whole game, but alas had to reinstall when we updated and it is only for the past 300 days or so. But I can go back through my own posts. I'm interested in the things we don't see as often caught in th edgily concerns and struggles , and also which things really worked and which others really didn't. It's fun in another way and will hopefully give me some good things to test as well.

MBF -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 10:53:39 AM)
Good job on hanging on so long ! I am going to miss my lunchtime ritual of reading your AAR

Speedysteve -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 11:31:25 AM)
Well played Obvert and many many thanks for a great read and the effort you put into the game and AAR

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 11:56:11 AM)
FINAL RUN ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As a parting shot to the game we did a post-game test run with different settings on the last turn. It taught me some things, even to the last here. If setting a bombardment, no matter what you think you might need, go for flank speed if you really need to get there. This turn the BBs arrived in Moppo, got creamed by a bunch of CLs and DDs, and two were sunk with the rest slinking back damaged. The IJN CLs did well, as did the CAs, and survived the encounters for the most part. Lots of small ships were sunk. I also have some things to wonder about and test more. The sweeps I sent to Moppo, nearly 1,000 planes total, didn't really do much in spite of huge numbers coming in together. I've noticed this a lot in the later game with the Japanese sweeps, less so with the Allied big sweeps. They seem to devastate CAP, where ours had very small results for the number of planes involved. Watching the replay it seemed to be only about 10-15 actual engagements before they all broke off and the next groups arrived. Nothing like 200 passes. Maybe it was just the thunderstorms in Moppo this day. Here are some edited reports. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 1, 45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 12,000 Yards Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed SOC-1 Seagull: 2 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Shell hits 4, on fire BB Yamato, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1 BB Musashi, Shell hits 10 BB Fuso, Shell hits 14, on fire BB Ise, Shell hits 4 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 9 DD Hinoki, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Kashi, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Kaya, Shell hits 1 DD Nara, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Tsubaki, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Keyaki, Shell hits 1 DD Yanagi, Shell hits 19, and is sunk DD Odake, Shell hits 8, heavy fires DD Kaba, Shell hits 3 Allied Ships CL Birmingham, Shell hits 13, and is sunk CL Vicksburg, Shell hits 4, on fire CL Dayton, Shell hits 10, and is sunk DD Hugh W. Hadley, Shell hits 1 DD Wallace Lind DD Massey DD Gregory, Shell hits 1 DD Longshaw DD Terry, Shell hits 3, and is sunk DD Van Valkenburgh, Shell hits 1, and is sunk DD Waller DD Benham II Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 57% moonlight: 11,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards Range closes to 18,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards Range closes to 12,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards Lange M. crosses the 'T' -------------------------------------------Tanaka is in command of the IJN here CL Vicksburg engages DD Yanagi at 12,000 yards DD Kashi engages DD Benham II at 12,000 yards Range closes to 8,000 yards DD Van Valkenburgh sunk by BB Mutsu at 8,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards BB Musashi engages CL Birmingham at 7,000 yards Range closes to 5,000 yards DD Yanagi sunk by CL Dayton at 5,000 yards Lange M. orders Allied TF to disengage Range closes to 4,000 yards Range increases to 9,000 yards BB Hyuga engages CL Vicksburg at 9,000 yards Lange M. orders Allied TF to disengage BB Hyuga engages CL Dayton at 6,000 yards Range increases to 7,000 yards CL Dayton sunk by BB Ise at 7,000 yards Range increases to 15,000 yards DD Terry sunk by BB Musashi at 15,000 yards Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- After this battle the Yamato and Fuso were put in an Escort TF with 5 DDs. This along with two DD mine hits tok out most of the escorts for the remaining BBs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 12,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Maya CA Nachi CA Mikuma, Shell hits 2 DD Shigure, Shell hits 1 DD Yudachi DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 1 DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships DD Fletcher DD Ammen DD Anthony DD Bell DD Bennion DD Bullard DD Bush, Shell hits 1 DD Cogswell, Shell hits 1 DD Converse, Shell hits 1 DD Daly DD Heywood Edwards, Shell hits 1 DD Erben, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 57% moonlight: 11,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 18,000 yards Range closes to 12,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 12,000 yards CA Mikuma engages DD Cogswell at 12,000 yards DD Erben sunk by CA Maya at 6,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Yudachi at 13,000 yards Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 12,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Maya CA Nachi, Shell hits 1 CA Mikuma, Shell hits 2 DD Shigure, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Yudachi, Shell hits 1 DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 2, on fire Allied Ships DD Compton DD Drexler DD Douglas Fox, Shell hits 1 DD Gainard, Shell hits 1 DD Heermann DD Mullany DD Sproston DD Gwin DD Walke II, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Laffey II, Shell hits 3, on fire DD O' Brien II DD Aaron Ward II, Shell hits 1, on fire Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 57% moonlight: 11,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards Range closes to 18,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 18,000 yards Range closes to 12,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 12,000 yards Coward, Jesse G. crosses the 'T' CA Mikuma engages DD Mullany at 12,000 yards Range closes to 9,000 yards CA Mikuma engages DD Gainard at 9,000 yards Watanabe, Seishichi orders Japanese TF to disengage Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 9,000 Yards Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Shell hits 3 BB Musashi, Shell hits 32, on fire BB Ise, Shell hits 3 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 6 DD Kaya, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk Allied Ships CA Boston, Shell hits 2 CA Pittsburgh, Shell hits 11, on fire CA St. Paul, Shell hits 1 DD Brush DD Hyman, Shell hits 1 DD Maddox DD Mansfield DD Moale DD Samuel Moore DD Lyman K. Swenson DD Taussig DD Hazelwood CA Canberra II, Shell hits 10, heavy fires CA Quincy II, Shell hits 23, and is sunk Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 24,000 yards Range closes to 18,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards Range closes to 12,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards Range closes to 9,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 9,000 yards Tanaka, Raizo crosses the 'T' BB Hyuga engages CA Quincy II at 9,000 yards Range closes to 6,000 yards BB Musashi engages CA Quincy II at 6,000 yards Range closes to 5,000 yards BB Musashi engages CA Quincy II at 5,000 yards Massive explosion on CA Quincy II Range closes to 2,000 yards BB Hyuga engages CA Quincy II at 2,000 yards ----------------------- !!!! DD Kaya sunk by DD Taussig at 2,000 yards Tanaka, Raizo orders Japanese TF to disengage Range increases to 15,000 yards BB Ise engages CA Quincy II at 15,000 yards CA Quincy II sunk by BB Mutsu at 15,000 yards Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 12,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Oyodo, Shell hits 5, and is sunk CL Yahagi CL Kiso, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Kisaragi, Shell hits 1 DD Satsuki, Shell hits 1 DD Yakaze, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships BB South Dakota BB Indiana BB Massachusetts BB Alabama, Shell hits 2 DD Cotten, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Irwin DD Cassin Young DD Little II DD Porter II DD Frej DD Loke DD Blue II Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... Range closes to 18,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards Range closes to 12,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 12,000 yards Keene O. crosses the 'T' BB Alabama engages CL Kiso at 12,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 14,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Yamato, Shell hits 28, on fire, heavy damage BB Fuso, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Hinoki, on fire DD Nara, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Keyaki, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Odake, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Kaba, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships BB South Dakota, Shell hits 3 BB Indiana, Shell hits 2 BB Massachusetts BB Alabama, Shell hits 16, on fire DD Cotten, on fire DD Irwin DD Cassin Young DD Little II DD Porter II DD Frej DD Loke, Shell hits 1 DD Blue II Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards Range closes to 28,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 28,000 yards Range closes to 26,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 20,000 yards Range closes to 18,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 14,000 yards BB Alabama engages BB Yamato at 14,000 yards Range closes to 5,000 yards BB Yamato engages BB Alabama at 5,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB Fuso engages BB Alabama at 2,000 yards Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape -------------------------------Not sure how these damaged and slower ships got away, but ... Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 14,000 Yards Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses E13A1b Jake: 3 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Yamato, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk BB Fuso, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Hinoki, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Nara, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Keyaki, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Odake, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Kaba, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships CL Emerald CL Bermuda CL Kenya CL Caradoc DD Ulster DD Ulysses DD Undaunted DD Undine DD Urania DD Whelp DD Whirlwind DD Wizard Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 14,000 yards BB Yamato engages CL Caradoc at 14,000 yards Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 14,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Fuso, Shell hits 16, on fire DD Hinoki, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Keyaki, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Odake, Shell hits 2, and is sunk DD Kaba, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Duluth CL Topeka CL Oklahoma City DD Brown DD Cowell DD Hoel DD Mayo DD Madison DD Charles Hughes DD Benson DD Gleaves DD Niblack CL Atlanta II, Shell hits 1 Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 14,000 Yards Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses E13A1b Jake: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Fuso, Shell hits 152, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Hinoki, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Keyaki, Shell hits 5, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Columbia CL Biloxi DD Bennett DD Charrette DD Chevalier DD Conway DD Cony DD DeHaven DD Radford DD Spence CL Valkyria, Shell hits 2 CL Mjollner, Shell hits 1 Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 46% moonlight: 11,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Gunzan (102,52) Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 280 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships LSM(R)-188 LSM(R)-199 LCI(G)-470 LCI(G)-469 LCI(G)-468 LCI(G)-454 LCI(G)-453 LCI(G)-452 LCI(G)-451 LCI(G)-450 LCI(G)-449 LCI(G)-442 LCI(G)-441 LCI(G)-440 LCI(G)-439 LCI(G)-438 LCI(G)-437 LCI(G)-408 LCI(G)-407 LCI(G)-406 LCI(G)-405 LCI(G)-404 LCI(G)-403 LCI(G)-401 LCI(G)-398 LCI(M)-805 LCI(M)-804 LCI(M)-802 LCI(M)-801 LCI(M)-674 LCI(M)-673 LCI(M)-670 LCI(M)-669 LCI(M)-664 LCI(M)-660 LCI(M)-659 LCI(M)-658 LCI(M)-633 LCI(M)-632 LCI(M)-631 LCI(R)-648 LCI(R)-647 LCI(R)-646 LCI(R)-645 LCI(R)-644 LCI(R)-643 LCI(R)-642 LCI(R)-342 LCI(R)-341 LCI(R)-340 LCI(R)-339 LCI(R)-338 LCI(R)-337 LCI(R)-230 LCI(R)-226 LCI(R)-225 LCI(R)-224 LCI(R)-74 LCI(R)-73 LCI(R)-72 LSM(R)-198 LSM(R)-197 LSM(R)-196 LSM(R)-195 LSM(R)-194 LSM(R)-193 LSM(R)-192 LSM(R)-191 LSM(R)-190 LSM(R)-189 LSM-413 LSM-417, Shell hits 1, on fire LST-915, Shell hits 1 LSM-415 LST-911 LST-912 Japanese ground losses: 3182 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 231 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 348 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled Guns lost 107 (2 destroyed, 105 disabled) Vehicles lost 15 (3 destroyed, 12 disabled) ------------------------------------------ WOW!!![X(] LSM(R)-199 firing to suppress enemy battery at 9,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Moppo at 100,55 Japanese Ships BB Musashi, Torpedo hits 1 Allied Ships SS Grayback SS Grayback launches 6 torpedoes at BB Musashi Sub escapes detection -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 1, 45 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The first sweeps didn't do too badly considering the Allied CAP. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 2 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-84r Frank x 47 Allied aircraft Spitfire F.XIV x 47 Spitfire VIII x 115 P-47N Thunderbolt x 175 P-51D Mustang x 25 F4U-1A Corsair x 169 F4U-1D Corsair x 37 F4U-4 Corsair x 36 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84r Frank: 8 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 27 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 52 minutes Japanese aircraft A7M2 Sam x 5 J2M5 Jack x 6 J7W1 Shinden x 9 Allied aircraft Spitfire F.XIV x 46 Spitfire VIII x 93 P-47N Thunderbolt x 153 P-51D Mustang x 21 F4U-1A Corsair x 140 F4U-1D Corsair x 32 F4U-4 Corsair x 32 Japanese aircraft losses A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed J7W1 Shinden: 2 destroyed No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 3 x J7W1 Shinden sweeping at 32000 feet * 2 x A7M2 Sam sweeping at 32000 feet 3 x J2M5 Jack sweeping at 32000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 60 minutes Japanese aircraft J2M5 Jack x 26 Ki-83 x 43 Ki-84r Frank x 202 Allied aircraft Spitfire F.XIV x 44 Spitfire VIII x 90 P-47N Thunderbolt x 147 P-51D Mustang x 19 F4U-1A Corsair x 134 F4U-1D Corsair x 32 F4U-4 Corsair x 31 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-83: 1 destroyed Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 26 x J2M5 Jack sweeping at 32000 feet 44 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 28 x Ki-83 sweeping at 32000 feet 44 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 38 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 38 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 8 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 9 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 9 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 14 x Ki-83 sweeping at 32000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 198 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 49 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-83 x 114 Ki-84r Frank x 197 Allied aircraft Spitfire F.XIV x 40 Spitfire VIII x 76 P-47N Thunderbolt x 141 P-51D Mustang x 17 F4U-1A Corsair x 119 F4U-1D Corsair x 28 F4U-4 Corsair x 29 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-83: 1 destroyed Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 43 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 30 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 33 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 52 x Ki-83 sweeping at 32000 feet 58 x Ki-83 sweeping at 32000 feet 8 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 36 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 39 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 196 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 48 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-84r Frank x 77 Allied aircraft Spitfire F.XIV x 33 Spitfire VIII x 70 P-47N Thunderbolt x 135 P-51D Mustang x 13 F4U-1A Corsair x 105 F4U-1D Corsair x 26 F4U-4 Corsair x 26 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Spitfire F.XIV: 1 destroyed F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 31 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 5 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 22 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet 9 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Moppo , at 100,54 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 191 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 47 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-84r Frank x 21 Allied aircraft Spitfire F.XIV x 31 Spitfire VIII x 69 P-47N Thunderbolt x 129 P-51D Mustang x 13 F4U-1A Corsair x 96 F4U-1D Corsair x 25 F4U-4 Corsair x 23 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed F4U-4 Corsair: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 16 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 32000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also sent the KB in for one last hurrah, but only one TF made it, so that didn't do much either way. These were out of range for Allied strikes apparently. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 97,54 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 36 minutes Japanese aircraft A7M2 Sam x 36 B7A2 Grace x 28 D4Y4 Judy x 43 Allied aircraft Corsair II x 20 Corsair IV x 111 Seafire L.III x 29 F4U-1A Corsair x 170 F4U-1D Corsair x 385 F6F-5 Hellcat x 69 Japanese aircraft losses A7M2 Sam: 7 destroyed B7A2 Grace: 15 destroyed D4Y4 Judy: 28 destroyed D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses Corsair IV: 1 destroyed F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed Allied Ships CVE Shah --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 12:03:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MBF Good job on hanging on so long ! I am going to miss my lunchtime ritual of reading your AAR quote: ORIGINAL: Speedy Well played Obvert and many many thanks for a great read and the effort you put into the game and AAR Thanks guys! It'll be odd not playing and continuing this AAR. I will spend this week though writing up a bunch of stuff still, so look out for more posts. The weirdest thing will not be writing to Jocke on a daily basis. maybe we'll just write about other things now! [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 2:30:17 PM)
Haha, your top pilot list and mine are quite different! [:D] Not even sure how many double aces I have? 50? 100? No idea! I�ll put mine up for you to compare. [:)]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 3:42:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Haha, your top pilot list and mine are quite different! [:D] Not even sure how many double aces I have? 50? 100? No idea! I�ll put mine up for you to compare. [:)] Yeah, I've got a ton of guys with good experience, just not the kills. a lot with 5-9, but as you see very few over 10. Your USN pilots must be insane after all of those 1k loss days for my strikes!

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 3:50:01 PM)
IJN - SUB LOSSES ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Here is a list of subs lost by the year, separating I-boats, RO boats and midget subs and showing what destroyed them. Interesting to see the totals. I'll try to get a sense of the effectiveness of subs, but Jocke has to post some numbers for this to be really accurate as well! Overall I was happy with the performance of subs once I learned better how to use them. I wasn't happy with getting around 30 sunk in various port strikes, including jcke's very good move hitting Naha in late 44, where i'd staged subs to repair system damage for a few days before heading out. As usual, the extremity of results meant ALL subs in port that day war sunk outright. Another thing I am surprised by is how few subs lost for the IJN in the first two years of the war. Only 38 total lost I-boats and RO boats in 42-43. About 1.5 a month. I-BOATS - 86 1942 3 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC 1 - 500lb GP bomb 1 - DC Rack Mk 7 DC 1 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC 1 - 21inch Mk14 Torpedo ___________________________ 7 1943 7 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC 6 - DC Rack/Mk 7m1 DC 3 - DC Rack/Mk 6 DC 1 - 21in Mk 10 Torpedo 1 - Y-Gun 7/Mk 6 DC 1 - K-Gun 6/Mk 6 DC 1 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC 1 - DC Rack/Mk 9 DC 1 - 500lb GP bomb ___________________________ 22 1944 13 - 500lb GP bomb - in port 11 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC 4 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC 4 - DC Rack/Mk 9 DC 5 - 500lb GP bomb - at sea from ASW/search 3 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC 3 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC 2 - DC Rack/Mk 7m1 DC 1 - 21inch Mk14 Torpedo 1 - DC Rack/Mk 6 DC 1 - Unknown 1 - 21inch Mk VIII Torpedo ___________________________ 48 1945 3 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC 2 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC 1 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC 1 - 500 lb bomb (at sea from ASW/search) 1 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC 1 - 21inch Mk 15 Torpedo ___________________________ 9 RO subs - 50 1942 1 - 53.3cm W1 Torpedo ___________________________ 1 1943 6 - DC Rack Mk 7m1 DC 1 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC 1 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC ___________________________ 8 1944 16 - 500lb bomb - at port 8 - DC Rack/Mk 7 DC 4 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC 3 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC 1 - DC Rack Mk 7m1 DC 1 - DC Rack/Mk 9 1 - DCT Mk IV/MkVII DC 1 - DC Rack Mk VII DC 1 - 21inch Mk 14 Torpedo ___________________________ 36 1945 1 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC 1 - DC Rack Mk VII DC 1 - DC Rack Mk 7m1 DC ___________________________ 3 Midgets subs - 74 1941 4 - hit obstructions 1 - grounding ___________________________ 5 1942 2 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC 1 - 8 inch Mk 9 Gun 1 - Mk 16 mine ___________________________ 4 1943 5 - DCT Mk IV/Mk VII DC 5 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC 2 - Unknown 1- Mk 16 mine 1 - Abandoned ___________________________ 14 1944 4 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC 3 - Unknown 4 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC 3 - DC Rack/Mk 9 DC 1 - DC Rack/Mk 7m1 DC 1 - 1000lb bomb 1 - 5inch/38 Mk 12 EBR ___________________________ 17 1945 9 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 6 DC 9 - Unknown 6 - K-Gun Mk 6/Mk 9 DC 4 - DC Rack Mk 7 DC 3 - Abandoned 1 - 500lb 1 - 5inch/38 Mk 12 EBR 1 - Hedgehog Mk 10 ___________________________ 34 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/21209418393A40D9B1A4286670516406.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 4:38:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Haha, your top pilot list and mine are quite different! [:D] Not even sure how many double aces I have? 50? 100? No idea! I�ll put mine up for you to compare. [:)] Yeah, I've got a ton of guys with good experience, just not the kills. a lot with 5-9, but as you see very few over 10. Your USN pilots must be insane after all of those 1k loss days for my strikes! I put the list up. Leading Ace is USAAF. Actually I think the majority in the top are USAAF! I think your strikes against my CVs the kills got spread out among hundreds of different pilots.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 5:01:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Haha, your top pilot list and mine are quite different! [:D] Not even sure how many double aces I have? 50? 100? No idea! I�ll put mine up for you to compare. [:)] Yeah, I've got a ton of guys with good experience, just not the kills. a lot with 5-9, but as you see very few over 10. Your USN pilots must be insane after all of those 1k loss days for my strikes! I put the list up. Leading Ace is USAAF. Actually I think the majority in the top are USAAF! I think your strikes against my CVs the kills got spread out among hundreds of different pilots. Actually it makes sense for the entire war, because the USAAF guys were up almost daily through 43-45. Your leading missions guys worked way too hard! I'll post mine in a bit here once I fire up the old machine. Mine is something like 1350 missions. Still over one a day!!

JocMeister -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 5:09:46 PM)
Heh, my guy with most missions are actually an Aussi! Almost 1600 missions. Every day for almost 4,5 year! [X(] EDIT: Just checked the list. Almost no USAAF pilots with over 1000 missions. About 200 or had crossed the 1000 mission limit. Almost all are USN. I guess its all those doing CAP on the CVs. But top 4 are Aussis!

Lokasenna -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 6:10:23 PM)
8" shell sank a midget sub?! The shell is almost as big as the sub!

JohnDillworth -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 7:53:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert FINAL RUN ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As a parting shot to the game we did a post-game test run with different settings on the last turn. It taught me some things, even to the last here. Any chance of giving this another run or two? I know this is a bit of a science experiment but I am curious as to the possible range of results in a late war surface battle. Those Cleveland class CL's are a PIA for the Japanese and the British always seem to get torpedo hits. Well played and thanks for the AAR. Game was about to turn in to monotonous bombing campaign so it was a good time to end

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 8:57:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth quote: ORIGINAL: obvert FINAL RUN ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As a parting shot to the game we did a post-game test run with different settings on the last turn. It taught me some things, even to the last here. Any chance of giving this another run or two? I know this is a bit of a science experiment but I am curious as to the possible range of results in a late war surface battle. Those Cleveland class CL's are a PIA for the Japanese and the British always seem to get torpedo hits. Well played and thanks for the AAR. Game was about to turn in to monotonous bombing campaign so it was a good time to end I'll see if Jocke is interested. Depends on whether he saved the file after putting all of those ships there. Come to think of it, did I? [:D] The BBs that escaped, Mutsu, Ise, Hyuga and Musashi, had relatively minor damage, including Musashi with only 6 float damage from the sub TT hit. All DDs were sunk that started with the TF. The old BBs expended only a small portion of their secondary 14cm ammo though, which is always a sticking point for me. They're at 0 with main armament, and the battles were close, down to 2k yards for some, so why didn't these fire more that 2-3 times? Never makes sense to me but it is a regular occurrence.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/10/2014 9:12:18 PM)
A slight delay in my end of game posts as I'm finally wiping my HD to the aging gaming computer to rid it of the effects of a virus I acquired a month or so ago. it'll be tomorrow at least before I can do what i want, but I have some files I'll be throwing up later tonight. Fun digging into it all and figuring out what really happened. The timeline will be a real shocker, especially late war. The Allies can move real fast wen they get going!

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/11/2014 7:46:28 AM)
Thanks to both of you gentleman for such great AARs and spirited game play, and for sticking it out as far as you did (I still wanted to see the Russian hordes head over the border). [;)] Cheers, CC

Encircled -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/11/2014 9:18:09 AM)
Top, top work guys Its been a blast for us watchers!

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/11/2014 10:25:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Commander Cody Thanks to both of you gentleman for such great AARs and spirited game play, and for sticking it out as far as you did (I still wanted to see the Russian hordes head over the border). [;)] Cheers, CC Yes! So did I, sort of. [:D] They wouldn't have found much to fight, but I was interested in seeing the Russian fleet and air force as well. Not that Jocke needed it by that point. As with everything in the late game, it sucks when you can't see it play out. When I realized i had all of the stuff set up to get to 46 except one, supply, it was pretty disappointing. The goal was to last as long as possible. My goal was to just see how everything worked, but it's a game, and Jocke got to see how strat bombing worked as well. This made it much less interesting for me as the planes that had been researching for years suddenly weren't in game anymore, like the Shinden. The Russians are kind of made irrelevant once an Allied landing in Korea happens.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep Chase (3/11/2014 4:32:05 PM)
DD LOSSES ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Things started alright, with only 11 DDs lost in 41-42, although a good number of other E and DMS escorts were lost as well. In 43 the naval battles heated up, and the IJN lost another 24 DDs. Still, even at this point, only 12 were from the best designs like Kagero, Yugumo or Akizuki classes. In 44 the Allied fleets took charge and the IJN surface fleet was increasingly marginal. A total of 47 DDs were lost. By 45 the addition of the Matsu and Tachibana class DDs helped keep BBs with escorts and left the remaining stronger DDs to move with the KB. A total of 46 were lost through he end of June. Lost TOTAL: 128 Lost by munition type: 1000lb bomb - at sea ----------- 29 1000lb bomb - port ----------------- 1 500lb bomb - at sea --------------- 2 500lb - port --------------------- 2 250lb bomb - at sea ---------------- 1 53cm W1 Torpedo ---------------- 2 22.4in Mk 13 Torp. ----------------- 1 22inch Mk 13 Torpedo --------------- 3 21 inch Mk 14 Torpedo --------------- 5 21 inch Mk 15 Torpedo --------------- 15 21inch Mk VIII Torpedo ----------------- 2 21inch Mk IX Torpedo -------------------- 4 18inch Mk XII Torpedo ------------------ 3 8inch/55 Mk 12 Gun ----------------- 1 8inch Mk 9 Gun ------------------------- 2 8inch/50 BL Mk VIII ---------------------- 1 7.5 inch/50 BL Mk VIII ------------------- 1 6inch/47 Mk 16 Gun ----------------------- 14 5 inch/38 Mk 12 EBR ------------------------ 30 5 inch/38 Mk 12 SP EBR ----------------------- 1 5inch/Mk 12 OP ----------------------------- 3 5inch/Mk 12 OP (S) ------------------------- 1 4.7inch/45 QF Mk IX ----------------------- 1 Mines ------------------------------- 3 [image]local://upfiles/37283/FBC2C1B7B192427CB6233A6D857ED5E7.jpg[/image]

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