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Walloc -> RE: GC41 - Saper222 (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov) (No Saper222) (7/11/2012 2:30:20 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Pelton
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ORIGINAL: Harrybanana
I am playing Saper as well with him the GHC and me the SHC. I think he leaned a lot in our game (which is currently in turn 95) which he used against Kamil. In particular he ran a better 41 offensive against Kamil than he did me. He is a very good player. His one failing, IMHO, is that he doesn't retreat as much as he should in the blizzard with the result that he allows too many units to be surrounded and destroyed. He explained it to me that he stood his ground because it was more "historical". Very true and very honourable of him. But "history" didn't stop me as the Russians from retreating whenever I thought he was in a position to surround me. Guess I'm not as honourable[:D]. But he is an excellent opponent and I would recommend him to all Russian players looking for a challenge.
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Honourable and historical, but the blizzard is not reflexive of history in wite in general. The hole supply system thingy.
No one can argue honourable as its a subjective title, not that i think many disagree with in this case.
As to historical its more debateble. Yes they had an no withdraw order overall.
Then there are the realities on lower levels. Historicly at points the frontline was pushed back what is up too 5 -10 hexes in game. If there never would have been any tactical/opertional withdrawls the chances that as we know, no major formation was surrounded and surrender seems implausible.
Obviously and we know that withdrawls in fact happened so i see no problem with germans doing it in game and not breaking historicy.
Apart from that my personal opinion is that as there are no tactical or operational breaks on how players use their counters. This gives both players the ability to change things in playing better/using tactics that the game provide. The opposite side IMO have to adjust to that.
So for example if russian side uses tactics like attacking/forcing back every other counter to ZoC out axis units in between there is nothing unhistorical in withdrawing to avoid that. Its just adjusting to how the game mechanics are. Im aware ppls opinion on stuff like ofc differs.
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I beleive he could stand forward better if he used a little better tactics, atleast against 90% of the russian players.
While not very honorble to critize some one who cant speak up. Ill have to agree with Pelton and Flav. The surrenders here were avoidble, but it would have required to give up more terrain and doing some pre strictly necesarry withdrawls. Not to take away from Kamils play in creating such situasions.
Kind regards,
Rasmus
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