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Powloon -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 8:30:54 AM)
Congratulations on the smooth running of the Okinawa operation. I can't believe your opponent has stuffed Formosa to the gills with troops and planes but neglected to garrison Okinawa at least strongly enough to take a tithe from you in blood and time [X(]. Regarding China I am a little hazy on the river crossing rules but I thought that if you had a certain proportion of force in the hex that that follow on forces would not shock attack when moving into the hex (could be wrong about that). Is the force that you have got flanking Nanning on the road from the North large enough to enable this condition?

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 9:22:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powloon Congratulations on the smooth running of the Okinawa operation. I can't believe your opponent has stuffed Formosa to the gills with troops and planes but neglected to garrison Okinawa at least strongly enough to take a tithe from you in blood and time [X(]. Regarding China I am a little hazy on the river crossing rules but I thought that if you had a certain proportion of force in the hex that that follow on forces would not shock attack when moving into the hex (could be wrong about that). Is the force that you have got flanking Nanning on the road from the North large enough to enable this condition? Thanks! [:)] Yeah, I was pretty happy to see Okinawa almost completely neglected. I don´t know if it was part of a deliberate strategy or simply a huge mistake. Guess we will know once Erik reads this. [:)] You are right about the river crossing. But it only applies if the hex side is already open! If not it will trigger a shock attack regardless. And I think you have to have 1/3rd of the AV already crossed. If I´m incorrect I´m sure someone will corrects me shortly. [:D]

paullus99 -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 9:36:49 AM)
If you have the room to maneuver in China - you should use it....pin his stack, then just go around...it may take more time, but you're not just butting your head against a wall. Do you have armor available?

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 9:40:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paullus99 If you have the room to maneuver in China - you should use it....pin his stack, then just go around...it may take more time, but you're not just butting your head against a wall. Do you have armor available? I´m starting to lean towards this too. That rivercrossing is scary! [X(] I do have armor in place. The "Combined Motorized Army" of 2 Motorized IDs + some 500 heavy tanks (2500 AV). They already started moving south last turn. [:)]

ny59giants -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 10:08:19 AM)
Any intel or recon info on the troop count of the bases near Okinawa?? I'm finding the LST and LCI are a good combo for quick invasions as they unload in a day or less. If you have enough supply and fuel at Naha, create barges until you get enough to lift LCUs to take the bases nearby. Extras, you can disband back into the pool. OT - I still feel the Americans should be getting a few full FG (75 planes) as reinforcements vs them broken down in 3 x 25 plane groups. 1 in '42, 2 in '43, 3 in '44, and maybe another 3 or 4 in '45. Since Japan gets the production numbers, the Allies should have something to combat them now. P-47 and P-51 fighter sweeps would do wonders to break through. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 10:48:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Any intel or recon info on the troop count of the bases near Okinawa?? I'm finding the LST and LCI are a good combo for quick invasions as they unload in a day or less. If you have enough supply and fuel at Naha, create barges until you get enough to lift LCUs to take the bases nearby. Extras, you can disband back into the pool. OT - I still feel the Americans should be getting a few full FG (75 planes) as reinforcements vs them broken down in 3 x 25 plane groups. 1 in '42, 2 in '43, 3 in '44, and maybe another 3 or 4 in '45. Since Japan gets the production numbers, the Allies should have something to combat them now. P-47 and P-51 fighter sweeps would do wonders to break through. [:)] I havn´t gotten to that yet. I want to keep an eye on the Jap bases around Oki for a while longer. I´ve started shifting some recon from DEI that should arrive in 2-3 days! I certainly agree about the FGs. If I had 2-3 of them to use for sweeps a daylight strat bombing campaign might be feasible. As it looks now I will be sweeping with 25 plane squadrons against 500 plane CAP. I would burn out the entire allied air force in a couple of days. Or I will have to do it like Speedy did. Use the CV fleet for LRCAP/Sweep of the HI... with the CVs I can get close enough for LRCAP to be able to help out.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 12:44:46 PM)
Will be very interesting to see if Erik tries anything against Naha now that I have a solid CAP up. I don´t think he will from the air. But he might feel temped to try for a naval bombardment with the Fast BBs. The only defense I have against this (since mines and CD guns doesn´t work) it to try and force him to eat up so much OPS he will find himself inside the Allied CVs strike radius in the morning. I have two PT TFs, 8 subs and 2 ship Fletcher TFs sitting at Naha. He have suffered some big losses before when trying to high speed runs to dash in and out during the night. If I remember correctly he lost 2 CAs + 6-8DDs outside Akyab this way. Another 2 CAs outside PM and a couple of more outside Darwin. When I think about it this is probably the single biggest cause of Japanese CA losses during the war. So that might make him a tad careful.

Crackaces -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 1:43:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: paullus99 If you have the room to maneuver in China - you should use it....pin his stack, then just go around...it may take more time, but you're not just butting your head against a wall. Do you have armor available? I´m starting to lean towards this too. That rivercrossing is scary! [X(] I do have armor in place. The "Combined Motorized Army" of 2 Motorized IDs + some 500 heavy tanks (2500 AV). They already started moving south last turn. [:)] I agree with Paullus99 that this is a very viable strategy. Pinning does not even require 1:2 AV in this case because once you secure the hexsides, the lace of supply will reduce firepower and Attack Value. I am using this operational level paradigm right now against an Invasion in India. I put just enough forces in the target hex and secure the supply lines so the IJ have their forces pinned. To breakout requires reinforcements. In your case, there are no IJ reinforcements to relive the forces ....[8D]

paullus99 -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 1:53:01 PM)
Every division you tie down in China is one less you'll have to face later somewhere else....

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 4:09:08 PM)
I can´t really pin the stack down without going around. And he is going to see that from a mile away. But flanking him means he will either have to withdraw or be cut off... [:)]

paullus99 -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 4:55:02 PM)
Think of it this way - he's not in any position to attack, so he either has to stand or retreat....eventually, he's going to run out of room - which still works in your favor. Think of the Atlanta Campaign as your guide - you can still win without having to fight a major battle...if you can force Obvert to vacate strong defensive positions because of being outflanked....he might be able to see your moves a mile away, but you can see his too.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 5:30:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paullus99 Think of it this way - he's not in any position to attack, so he either has to stand or retreat....eventually, he's going to run out of room - which still works in your favor. Think of the Atlanta Campaign as your guide - you can still win without having to fight a major battle...if you can force Obvert to vacate strong defensive positions because of being outflanked....he might be able to see your moves a mile away, but you can see his too. You are absolutely right. I´m going to walk around instead. I have a couple of Chinese corps coming in to secure the crossing and our LOC. Its all clear terrain so the Motorized army make good speed! [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 6:12:00 PM)
18th-19th March 1945 ______________________________________________________________________________ Looks like Erik has decided to fight back... ------------------------ Destination Okinawa ------------------------ Look at the attached screen in the bottom. Looks like Erik brought everything he still have left. He is definitively going to try for a bombardment. He is going to send in a million small TFs to make me expand ammo and OPS and perhaps clear some mines for the big boys to come in and blast the airfield. Going to be a big firework that will hit... ...nothing! [:D] My initial reaction was to try and exploit this too obvious attempt. But after giving it some though I´m going to continue on the same path that have served me so well for over a year now. Patience. I don´t need to fight this. Not yet. My engineers will repair the field in a day and all it will cost is some disruption and burned supply. With 240.000 supply at Naha its not going to run out. So I simply pulled everything out (including the DDs) leaving only subs and PTs. The Fleet withdrew 3 hexes south and will sit there watching the fireworks. Anything within range of the Fleet tomorrow will be sunk. Wonder how much fuel this will burn for him. Hope I figured this out right or I will look silly tomorrow... [:D] ------------------------ China ------------------------ Bombers go in over Nanning with better results. Still not stellar though. Around 1000 Japanese casualties are recorded during the day. Some leaky CAP showed up that got dealt with by the sweeps. I´ll cancel the crossing tomorrow. Want to make Erik sweat for another day. It will also make my CMA leave the hex so I don´t have to set all the units individually (yes I´m lazy! [:D]) ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ We land at Oosthaven tomorrow with a full ID. This is part of the small OZ corps tasked with reserve at Java. Might as well make them do something useful...Besides I could always use the fuel at Palembang! Not much happening besides the fact that I forgot to stand down the bombers in India. But I did remember to stand down the sweeps...[8\|] So that could end in a nasty way... Here is the screen of the entire Japanese navy withing strike distance of Naha. [:)] [image]local://upfiles/32406/873EEB15A44842B0BE414C5E3198E8BC.jpg[/image]

paullus99 -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/4/2013 6:33:06 PM)
Now, if you can just keep him coming & hit him where he ain't.......

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/5/2013 4:52:02 AM)
Good thing I was right so now I don´t have to look stupid. [:D] But it was a really halfhearted attempt from Erik. Far from the all in move I would have expected. He didn´t even manage to close the AF...

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/5/2013 7:12:21 AM)
21th March 1945 ______________________________________________________________________________ The fireworks turned out to be...a disappointment for the onlookers! ------------------------ Destination Okinawa ------------------------ As suspected a bunch of smaller TFs went in ahead and cleared out the PTs. I lost 6 PTs in total. After that came the big guns. quote: Night Naval bombardment of Naha at 95,66 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses PBY-5A Catalina: 2 damaged PBY-5A Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground 14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships BB Kirishima CA Mikuma CA Nachi CA Maya DD Yamakaze DD Yudachi DD Shigure DD Shimakaze Allied ground losses: 295 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 62 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled Guns lost 37 (11 destroyed, 26 disabled) Vehicles lost 35 (18 destroyed, 17 disabled) Manpower hits 1 Repair Shipyard hits 1 Fires 131 Airbase hits 20 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 41 Port hits 10 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Naval bombardment of Naha at 95,66 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses PBY-5A Catalina: 1 damaged 12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships CL Sakawa CL Yahagi CL Agano, Shell hits 1 CL Oyodo Allied ground losses: 8 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 2 Port hits 2 And that's it! [&:] The airfield isn´t even closed. And to add insult to injury... quote: ASW attack near Kume-jima at 93,65 Japanese Ships DD Michishio, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage CL Sakawa CL Yahagi CL Agano CL Oyodo DD Arare DD Maikaze Allied Ships SS Lamprey She immediately sinks after that so I traded 1 Cat, 1 sub and 6 PTs for a DD. Good trade. [:)] Obviously had I known this wouldn´t have been an all in effort I would have opposed this. Very risky by Erik to do this halfhearted effort. Even keeping the Fletchers in place could have spelled disaster for him. The plan to get Naha into a self sufficient base continues. First TFs have just left Manila. I´ll repeat the system I used to move stuff to Luzon. So it will be LST/LCIs/Barges to shuttle partial units to Naha. The TFs will take cover under the CVs and then go in to unload one TF at a time. I cannot prevent losses if Erik decides to strike but it will be very low risk for me. And hopefully heavy losses for him! [:)] ------------------------ China ------------------------ The CMA shifts hex moving at a steady 30 per turn. The main army cancels the crossing and follow after. I have 1500 Chinese AV coming in from Thailand to secure our rear as we advance south. The bombers get some long overdue rest. I think I may have found another crack in Eriks MLR. Awaiting more detailed recon. Concentrating on the troops allowed Liuchow air field to open again. Erik moved in 120 fighters. I think I´m going to try an attack here. I want to see how much LCRAP I can get over a target 7 hexes away. The big 42 plane Corsair units will sweep while the long range P51s will provide LRCAP. I´m not expecting anything above 1:1 here. Its just to test LRCAP. This knowledge will be important further on. In the mountains we continue to pound the 3 IDs guarding the road to Tsuyung. This has been going on for a few days now and will continue to do so for at least 10 more days. quote: Morning Air attack on 37th Division, at 67,44 , near Paoshan Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Allied aircraft Liberator B.VI x 28 Liberator GR.VI x 16 B-17E Fortress x 8 B-24D Liberator x 7 B-24D1 Liberator x 12 B-24J Liberator x 72 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 330 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Another 200 casualties are added in fragmented strikes. I don´t know why Erik perseveres. I guess he hope the rivercrossing will wreck my troops. But if I can get enough disablement and disruption on his troops I´m confident even 3 half strength IDs can make it. Once I´m across its just a matter of time. ------------------------ Sumatra ------------------------ Always nice to add a new location! [:)] Troops have landed but something held up the TF and they didn´t start unloading until the afternoon. Still got 438 AV in shore though. No opposition.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/5/2013 5:02:26 PM)
Sumatra/Malaya ______________________________________________________________________________ Here is a screen of the situation. I´ll continue to advance as long as I can. I can´t complain when I´m given all this completely free. [:)] Havn´t gotten the turn back from Erik yet so most likely I won´t have time to run it tonight. [image]local://upfiles/32406/AAA23F2423D444CBB21602A57A34B535.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/6/2013 4:50:40 AM)
22nd March 1945 ______________________________________________________________________________ Just the usual business. ------------------------ Destination Okinawa ------------------------ As I rebase some of the subs to Naha for defensive purposes Erik spots them. Four subs are forced to RTB as they are hit by ASW air. Added bonus is that this scares away the KB a bit to the North. Second attack at Nago goes well. quote: Ground combat at Nago (95,65) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 101428 troops, 1905 guns, 1626 vehicles, Assault Value = 3989 Defending force 16194 troops, 401 guns, 126 vehicles, Assault Value = 135 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4 Allied adjusted assault: 1705 Japanese adjusted defense: 745 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 3156 casualties reported Squads: 117 destroyed, 12 disabled Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 241 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 15 disabled Guns lost 129 (36 destroyed, 93 disabled) Vehicles lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1283 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 104 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled Guns lost 42 (2 destroyed, 40 disabled) I think Erik have been a little too bold with a TF. Its possible this might be the TF that bombarded Naha. Then again its seems lately my fly boys see CAs and BBs in every little DD TF... But I´m going to give this one a go. 9 Ships listed for 2 turns now which rules out a small ASW TF. There is something there at least. The Fleet will shift NE towards the HI and have a go. It should be fairly safe as Erik still has 1500 fighters and 500 bombers on Formosa. ------------------------ China ------------------------ The sweep/LRCAP encounters about 80 Franks. Notice how few P51s appear despite 225(!) being on LRCAP. quote: Morning Air attack on Liuchow , at 74,55 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 29 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-84r Frank x 80 Allied aircraft P-51D Mustang x 17 F4U-1D Corsair x 36 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Liuchow , at 74,55 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 38,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 29 minutes [X(] Japanese aircraft Ki-84r Frank x 70 Allied aircraft P-51D Mustang x 15 F4U-1D Corsair x 47 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed So using even massed LRCAP with long range fighters is not feasible. I had hoped the range of the P51s would have helped. This also shows the futility of trying to wage a air war against the Japanese. The day ended with a Japanese win of 26 vs 24. I need 4:1 or even 5:1 to just break even in terms of loss/produced. Until I can (if ever) start to strike at his factories we will continue to avoid combat. ------------------------ Sumatra ------------------------ Oosthaven is secured without combat. Now we start to shuttle the troops over from Java and then head for Palembang. [image]local://upfiles/32406/8888BF95FBE840CD8CCD51B1CB2A5610.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/6/2013 8:43:59 AM)
Heading out of town for a night so you will have to wait for the results on the CV raid...I understand you are all dying to know the result ([;)]). But you will have to wait... Be back with an update tomorrow! In my absence here is Friday nights listening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRXNtYbbW3w Here is tonights drink! http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/oppigards-thurbo-double-ipa/191963/

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/7/2013 4:40:15 PM)
You guys suck at bumping me when I´m away! [:D] Decided to stay for another night so I won´t be back until tomorrow.

witpqs -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/7/2013 4:45:26 PM)
Bump [:'(]

JeffroK -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/7/2013 7:45:47 PM)
You wou[8D]ld think that he would take his computer so he could run his turns and keep us entertained!!!

jonreb31 -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/7/2013 8:07:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK You wou[8D]ld think that he would take his computer so he could run his turns and keep us entertained!!! Seriously insensitive of him. Doesn't he understand our WiTP obsession disorder? We have feelings, Joc.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/8/2013 4:11:09 AM)
Haha, I´m sure you do! [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/8/2013 7:28:59 AM)
23rd March 1945 ______________________________________________________________________________ Frustration! [:@] ------------------------ Destination Okinawa ------------------------ Erik of course moved the BBs the same turn...so my strikes went after a DD TF costing me...a lot. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Kagoshima at 102,60 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 27 minutes Japanese aircraft A7M2 Sam x 28 Ki-84r Frank x 56 Allied aircraft Hellcat F.II x 24 F6F-3 Hellcat x 59 F6F-5 Hellcat x 208 SB2C-4 Helldiver x 43 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hellcat F.II: 1 destroyed F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed F6F-5 Hellcat: 12 destroyed SB2C-4 Helldiver: 11 destroyed, 6 damaged SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak Japanese Ships DD Kiri, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Sugi DD Kaede, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires DD Kaya Quite often the automated routines of this game makes me furious. Couple that with some poor design decisions and you end up with a lot of frustration....[:@] The engine decides sending 40 DBs are quite enough (which it obviously isn´t). And we all know that 300 Hellcats should get absolutely MURDERED by 50 Franks because they are on escort. [8\|] A bad day. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Here we see a good example of why trying to do anything in the air is a complete waste of time. quote: Morning Air attack on Liuchow , at 74,55 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 16 minutes Japanese aircraft A7M2 Sam x 9 Ki-83 x 18 Ki-84r Frank x 34 Allied aircraft F4U-1A Corsair x 29 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses F4U-1A Corsair: 7 destroyed [X(] Too far away for LRCAP to support. This was a 42 plane Squadron but the sweep fragmented... [8\|] Luckily the bombers for some reason didn´t take off or it would have been slaughter. Days like this enhances my worry that there will never be a daylight bombing campaign over the HI. In all honestly I think it might be easier and more doable to try and take the factories by land. That means landing on the HI...

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/8/2013 6:10:16 PM)
24th-25th March 1945 ______________________________________________________________________________ Interesting situation develops in China. ------------------------ Destination Okinawa ------------------------ Erik seems to have shifted focus to western parts of the HI. Lots of ships under the trademark heavy CAP. I have an idea to deal with this but I will need some time to get stuff into place. In the meantime we continue to siege Nago. Another deliberate attack on the 26th. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Here is were things are turning really interesting. Because I didn´t pay attention I missed that the guard unit I left at Chungking was due to withdraw. So suddenly the place is completely unguarded. I noticed this as I was losing VPs due to insufficient garrison. Stupid mistake by me. I turned some units back from the main stack but Erik seems to have timed this perfectly and I now have 2 IDs between the stack and a completely empty Chungking... or that is what he thinks... [:D] When I realized Chunking was left completely empty I immediately sent the 44th Parachute ID to Hanoi together with 600 transports. Just in case... [:)] It comes down to timing. I hope I got it right. So on the 25th I started transporting them in. This means Eriks recon bombing missed me on the 25th. He will now see them on the 26th but it will be too late to stop the crossing. Shocking into a 91 EXP Parachute division behind level 6 forts in a Light urban terrain will destroy him. And the door will close behind him before he can retreat back. BUT it comes down to if he really crosses next turn. If not he can cancel the crossing and get out of dodge in time. We will know tomorrow. And just to hedge the bet a bit.... quote: Afternoon Air attack on 35th Division, at 76,46 , near Chungking Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Allied aircraft B-24J Liberator x 8 B-24J Liberator x 58 B-25D1 Mitchell x 18 B-25G Mitchell x 12 PB4Y-1 Liberator x 15 PBJ-1D Mitchell x 13 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 424 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 49 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled I set them to 50% so not to trash them so bad Erik cancelled the crossing all together. Tomorrow the whole force will fly. I´m not really sure why Erik wastes 2 IDs on this to begin with. Even if he would have grabbed Chungking and all of the central bases whats the point? He gets a few VPs that I can easily take back later if I need to. I don´t think Erik really sees the big picture at this point. Central China is completely irrelevant now. We are going EAST. Not West... Its the Chinese forces that have a strategic value at this point. Their bases are useless. And the Chinese forces are heading SOUTH. Towards supply. Can´t really complain though... [:)] [image]local://upfiles/32406/FF66FD8BEDD14AFEB8FD1777528E5F0C.jpg[/image]

DOCUP -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/9/2013 12:51:09 AM)
That's kinda slick Joc.

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/9/2013 2:06:48 AM)
That looks like a great beer. Tell Oppigards to export it to Korea. Also, have you had the Norwegian Nogne? The founder of that brewery used to live in Japan and that was his first export market. I've had Nogne over there a couple of times and it is tasty. I've heard rumors it'll be available here in Korea shortly as well. I've only played against Ironman AI, which essentially means not a lot of offensive air raids, so I feel your pain. It's all about doing proper base defense to shoot down tens of thousands of Japanese aircraft over time, with some uber-aces racking up over 100 kills. Then, we you absolutely need to take out an airbase, you need to use every 4E in the area and also do shore bombardment on the base if possible. Shore bombardment is your friend. You might even consider a couple of Fletcher bombardments on Taihoku and other bases within range. Cheers, CC

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/9/2013 4:45:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DOCUP That's kinda slick Joc. It would have been if I had managed the timing. But I didn´t. [:(] Erik didn´t cross during the turn and now he cancelled. Bah. [:(] quote: ORIGINAL: Commander Cody That looks like a great beer. Tell Oppigards to export it to Korea. Also, have you had the Norwegian Nogne? The founder of that brewery used to live in Japan and that was his first export market. I've had Nogne over there a couple of times and it is tasty. I've heard rumors it'll be available here in Korea shortly as well. I've only played against Ironman AI, which essentially means not a lot of offensive air raids, so I feel your pain. It's all about doing proper base defense to shoot down tens of thousands of Japanese aircraft over time, with some uber-aces racking up over 100 kills. Then, we you absolutely need to take out an airbase, you need to use every 4E in the area and also do shore bombardment on the base if possible. Shore bombardment is your friend. You might even consider a couple of Fletcher bombardments on Taihoku and other bases within range. Cheers, CC I´ll try to convince them there is a huge fan base in South Korea... [;)] The air war makes absolutely no sense at all in the later stages of the war. I´m working on a separate post on that and why I think its broken and what could possible be done to fix it. But basically it comes down to the defender being able to mass 1000+ fighters on a single base while the only tool available to the attacker is sweep + LRCAP. The problem with that is the distance of LRCAP. Just 3-4 hexes away only about 30-50% show up but high FAT drops that number to almost nothing after just the first or second sweep. This makes defense way too powerful. You simply have no tools available to combat this. If the escort mission wasn´t so ridiculously penalized the attacker would have at least one tool to strike back at this CAP hives and would force the defender to spread out on multiple bases instead. But I doubt the post will lead to anything. The community (well, one or two very loud individuals really [8\|]) is completely unwilling to try and evolve the game and rather have a static and stagnant game because it suits their needs.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Okinawa! (12/9/2013 8:27:52 AM)
26th March 1945 ______________________________________________________________________________ Things are slowly getting into place. A bit worried I still havn´t managed to snap out of the low interest rut I suffered after the Okinawa invasion. I guess I just have to keep my head down and plow on. ------------------------ Destination Okinawa ------------------------ The attack on Nago goes well. So happy Erik didn´t have 2-4 IDs on this place or it would have been a nightmare! quote: Ground combat at Nago (95,65) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 101727 troops, 1905 guns, 1627 vehicles, Assault Value = 4004 Defending force 14340 troops, 372 guns, 125 vehicles, Assault Value = 121 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3 [&o][&o][&o] Allied adjusted assault: 1517 Japanese adjusted defense: 502 Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2860 casualties reported Squads: 28 destroyed, 31 disabled Non Combat: 181 destroyed, 72 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled Guns lost 131 (33 destroyed, 98 disabled) Vehicles lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled) Units destroyed 2 Allied ground losses: 941 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 112 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Guns lost 26 (2 destroyed, 24 disabled) First of the "shuttle TFs" will go into Naha next turn. I hope I can trigger a response from Erik. KB is sitting 1 hex outside Shanghai. Guess he doesn´t dare enter the harbor again! [:D] I´m making preparations to clear the East China and Yellow Sea of Japanese naval forces and chase them east towards the HI. This will be a low risk allied operation with a high risk for the Japanese. I´m in a great position where I have an abundance of low value platforms like DDs/CLs and subs that can easily take out Japanese high value target. ------------------------ China ------------------------ My elegant trap fails because I overestimated the speed in which Eriks IDs would cross. He sees the danger and cancel the crossing. Too bad. He is still in danger though. I´m going to try and cut him off. So either he withdraws east or he will be cut off in 10-12 days. All in all can´t really complain about having 2 Jap IDs up here. I started the crossing towards Tsuyung. I´m causing around 600-700 casualties per day. With no HQs or support here I doubt he can recover any disruption and it should be through the roof by now. ------------------------ Logistics ------------------------ The news supply chain is now up an running. I´ve decided to skip using the Marinas as a "halfway point". So stuff go directly from PH to Luzon. This means they will have to refuel on the return leg at Midway. So I have a couple of high END xAKs sitting at Midway refueling the TFs returning. Works well. Supply is once again back up at 3 million on Luzon and fuel is nearing a million. In a month it will be at least double that.

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