RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks

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Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (5/30/2013 10:53:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lecivius quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: Lecivius Repulse is a lightweight. She sinks pretty easy in every game I have played. I don't know. These were old ships. They've taken a beating that would leave the IJN BBs aflame. They have great crews when the war starts. I have had the opposite effect Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Blair at 46,58, Range 4,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Oite Allied Ships BB Prince of Wales BC Repulse, Shell hits 1, and is sunk Range closes to 5,000 yards... Range closes to 4,000 yards... Range closes to 3,000 yards... Range closes to 2,000 yards... Range closes to 1,000 yards... DD Oite engages xBC Repulse at 1,000 yards Allied Task Force Manages to Escape Task forces break off... Of course, I did loose the whole war in 6 months [sm=00000959.gif] Gotta love randoms. [:)]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (5/31/2013 6:00:56 PM)
May 20, 1942 Gunfight at the OK Bengal Look, Ma! A pun! [image]local://upfiles/31387/5FB08F2375DB467C8006FFA303FF48B4.jpg[/image] To be continued after I mow the grass. OK, much later now. Friday evening, libation at my side. I just got the turn, so I have seen the results of today. Medium bad, but not all, as I will detail below. 1) What remians of Force Z, ex a certain BC, intercepts not the carriers but the surface heavies seen above in the screenie. Not really a fair fight, but there it is. POW still has ammo in the mags from 12/7; hope the powder is dry. The Dutch CLs have glass jaws too, but oh well. In they go, hoping POW's cycle time and crew experience will matter. Day Time Surface Combat, near Great Nicobar at 36,63, Range 23,000 Yards Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses C.XI-W: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Kongo, Shell hits 7, heavy fires BB Haruna, Shell hits 3, on fire BB Kirishima CA Mogami CA Aoba, Shell hits 4, on fire DD Akigumo, Shell hits 7, on fire DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 2 DD Asagiri, Shell hits 3, heavy fires Allied Ships BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 16 CA Dorsetshire, Shell hits 17, heavy fires, heavy damage CL Sumatra, Shell hits 5, and is sunk CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Paul Jones, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Vampire, Shell hits 2, heavy fires DD Van Nes, Shell hits 1 DD Witte de With DD Stronghold DD Encounter, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------- What the report doesn't say, but the replay shows, is that 6 of the 7 hits on Kongo were penetrating, and all were POW main guns. Two were tower penetrations with reported heavy fires. Fingers crossed. At least one IJN DD should sink; the other is 60/40. The Japanese CAs were virtually untouched. Gunnery on both sides was generally lousy. Also wave after wave of torpedoes, with hits coming very late at close range. POW got off easy on the torps. Then the withdrawl and the carriers got into the act. But first, after shedding ships into Escort TFs, the Japanese take another crack. Day Time Surface Combat, near Great Nicobar at 35,63, Range 22,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Haruna, on fire BB Kirishima CA Mogami CA Aoba, on fire DD Kawakaze Allied Ships BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 20, on fire, heavy damage DD Van Nes, Shell hits 1 All but two hits on POW were AA weapons, but two were CA main guns, and they started fires. My greatest fear, even more than flooding. I have posted the Tracker from next turn, and POW is in serious trouble. Either she gets good crew rolls on DC, or she's going to have Fires vault into the high 60s and is gone. Japan generally does not handle fire well at all, but the two with some here are not serious as far as I can tell. 2) The carriers. With Tracke rposted you can see the results. A lot of bouncing 250kgs, but some fires and new system damage. Morning Air attack on TF, near Sabang at 36,70 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 15 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 19 B5N1 Kate x 6 B5N2 Kate x 8 D3A1 Val x 6 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 1 damaged D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak Allied Ships DD Nizam, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB Revenge, Bomb hits 1 Morning Air attack on TF, near Koggala at 33,61 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 9 D3A1 Val x 7 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 1 damaged Allied Ships DD Van Nes, Bomb hits 1, on fire Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 36,63 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 8 B5N1 Kate x 11 Allied aircraft no flights No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed Allied Ships DD Witte de With CL De Ruyter, and is sunk DD Vampire, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 11 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 10000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sabang at 36,70 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 9 B5N2 Kate x 5 D3A1 Val x 20 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 6 damaged Allied Ships BB Revenge, Bomb hits 13, heavy fires DD Nizam Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 35,63 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 11 B5N2 Kate x 3 No Japanese losses Allied Ships BB Prince of Wales, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------- Tomorrow will be a critical day. 3) Some good news for the Allies. The landing at Lautem, already down an xAK, is raided by two cruisers from Darwin. They do well. Day Time Surface Combat, near Lautem at 72,115, Range 20,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Oite, Shell hits 2, heavy fires (reported hit by SDB later) DD Hayate, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage (probably sunk after Massive Explosion message) xAK Toho Maru, Shell hits 17, and is sunk Allied Ships CA Pensacola CL Perth, Shell hits 5 Japanese ground losses: 32 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Lauten falls to 19th Naval Guard attack, but only 750 men are ashore and I suspect almost no supplies. There are two more cruisers at Darwin. 4) Three Liberators hit Georgetown at night and do 5 Manpower hits for 2540 Fires. 2E and Banshees hit Djambi oil. No hits, and 4 Banshees are lost in glide bombing as well as 1 Zero. Later P-38 sweep destroys a Zero. Wellingtons hit just-lost Neikiang LI in attempt to destroy local supply, but are unsuccessful. B-17s stretch to max range for Samarinda Oil, but miss. 5) More Allied CAP is withdrawn and consolidated to rest, mostly at Mandalay. 6) Allies bombard at Bataan for 71 casualties. Japan takes undefended Bengkalis. 7) Oklahoma is fully repaired at EC and will head to Asia. Pennsylvania is about two weeks out. North Carolina arrives in a month. Wasp about the same. Not quite half of USN TB squadrons are updated to Avengers. My first CVE, Long Island, arrives. I think she comes without an air wing, but she can carry one.

catwhoorg -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (5/31/2013 6:22:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 To be continued after I mow the grass. Tease...

Lecivius -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (5/31/2013 7:58:29 PM)
My money is on the POW. I watched her take out the Yamato in these same waters in my game. I was duly impressed.

obvert -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (5/31/2013 8:07:38 PM)
Ahh, the suspense!!! [:D] I'm thinking this went IJN.

JocMeister -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (5/31/2013 8:51:18 PM)
Yeah, I think that went IJN too. Hope I�m wrong though but 3 IJ BBs is a little bit too much to handle for the PoW a CA and 2 CLs I think.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/1/2013 12:31:45 AM)
Current at sea [image]local://upfiles/31387/C00D96FA7408469293299FFFD3A7D06B.jpg[/image]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/1/2013 12:40:19 AM)
I continued the day in the post I started above.

desicat -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/1/2013 1:41:37 AM)
That is so mean!

JocMeister -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/1/2013 10:34:46 AM)
Not too bad. If the PoW makes it that is. Fingers crossed. With some luck the Kongo might be done for if the fires starts raging! [:)]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/1/2013 5:41:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Not too bad. If the PoW makes it that is. Fingers crossed. With some luck the Kongo might be done for if the fires starts raging! [:)] Yep. Also if the carriers retire or keep coming on. Working the turn now.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/2/2013 1:18:50 AM)
May 21, 1942 The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves 1) News from the Bay of B.: Japan has LOTS of bombs. Pass it on. Multiple interactions. A small surface TF, refugees from the first day, had gone to Pt. Blair undamaged, rearmed and refueled, then come back SW to try to get in the way of a retreating Kongo before heading for Colombo. Instead it runs into the Hammer of Thor. Escapes, and gives good intel of what's running around the Bay, but it's pant changing time at the old movie house for a few minutes. Day Time Surface Combat, near Great Nicobar at 39,65, Range 24,000 Yards Japanese Ships CV Junyo CV Hiyo CS Nisshin BB Fuso BB Yamashiro CA Suzuya CA Kumano DD Oshio DD Inazuma DD Shirakumo DD Shirayuki DD Yugiri DD Amagiri DD Oboro DD Akebono Allied Ships CL Emerald, Shell hits 1 DD Hotspur --------------------------- Then the carriers get into it. Morning Air attack on TF, near Car Nicobar at 43,61 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 26 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 20 B5N1 Kate x 6 B5N2 Kate x 3 D3A1 Val x 9 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 3 damaged Allied Ships BB Royal Sovereign, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage CL Glasgow Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Car Nicobar at 43,61 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 33 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 19 B5N1 Kate x 11 D3A1 Val x 15 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 2 damaged Allied Ships BB Royal Sovereign, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage CL Glasgow, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 37,63 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 9 B5N2 Kate x 5 D3A1 Val x 2 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 1 damaged Allied Ships CL Emerald, Bomb hits 2, on fire ---------------------------------- POW is not found, but increasing flooding message is recieved twice, always bad news. All of the retreating are at Mission speed this turn out of necessity. Not helpful. Tomorrow I hope to slow some. POW had a strong TF of Arizona and escorts sent out from Colombo to meet and merge, whcih may help a bit, but it may be too late. 2) Red sub icon near Batavia in shallow water. APD from Oosthaven sent to deal. The APD scores several penetrating hits before losing contact. Later in the turn, after many interim battles, the sub is encountered on the surface and the APD puts six rounds into the hull while the sub flings salvo after salvo of torpedoes. When contact is lost the sub STILL has not sunk, and the icon is still there. ASW attack near Batavia at 49,97 Japanese Ships SS I-156, hits 6, heavy damage Allied Ships APD John D. Edwards SS I-156 is sighted by escort APD John D. Edwards firing on surfaced sub .... APD John D. Edwards firing on surfaced sub .... APD John D. Edwards firing on surfaced sub .... APD John D. Edwards firing on surfaced sub .... APD John D. Edwards firing on surfaced sub .... APD John D. Edwards firing on surfaced sub .... APD John D. Edwards firing on surfaced sub .... Contact with submarine is lost 3) A TF was seen by air search yesterday at Makassar. Light TF sortied from Soerbaja to raid. It does well. [image]local://upfiles/31387/F82E2210D69F441199E538803098DBAC.jpg[/image] Night Time Surface Combat, near Makassar at 65,106, Range 11,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Wakaba, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Mochizuki xAK Onoe Maru, Shell hits 17, heavy fires xAK Kosin Maru, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships APD Barker DD Parrott DD Tenedos, Shell hits 1 4) At Timor, Dili falls to a Raiding unit. The cruisers from yesterday are ordered to Dili but do not attack the landing. The other two cruisers at Darwin are ordered to go bombard Lautem and see if the supply situation can be made critical. 5) Allied strat bombing all over the map fails. Probably time to rest and reconstitute. 6) Two ASW encounters in the Sea of Japan keep up the pressure. 7) Lots of Japanese sweeps mostly find open air. At Palembang a large Sally raid comes in unescorted and is roughed up badly. Four downed, 10 damaged. Palembang Forts are over 80% of 5. The Indian LCU sent to raid Djambi is back and resting. Supply over 180,000. 8) Japan attacks at Bataan and fails again. Forts reduced to 2. Ground combat at Bataan (78,77) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 45571 troops, 472 guns, 446 vehicles, Assault Value = 1539 Defending force 48370 troops, 615 guns, 645 vehicles, Assault Value = 1411 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Japanese adjusted assault: 172 Allied adjusted defense: 2017 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 11 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 4557 casualties reported Squads: 45 destroyed, 266 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 39 disabled Engineers: 8 destroyed, 67 disabled Guns lost 44 (6 destroyed, 38 disabled) Vehicles lost 43 (6 destroyed, 37 disabled) Allied ground losses: 350 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 48 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled) Assaulting units: 9th Infantry Regiment 16th Recon Regiment 21st Ind. Engineer Regiment 3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment 80th Infantry Regiment 38th Division 20th Infantry Regiment 16th Engineer Regiment 4th Tank Regiment 48th Division 7th Tank Regiment 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 14th Army 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 36th Const Co Defending units: 3rd/12th PA Inf Battalion 51st PA Infantry Division 192nd Tank Battalion 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 4th Marine Regiment 31st PA Infantry Division 11th PA Infantry Division 21st PA Infantry Division 71st PA Infantry Division 41st PA Infantry Division 45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 194th Tank Battalion 31st Infantry Regiment 91st PA Infantry Division Manila Bay Defenses 26th PS Cavalry Regiment 14th PS Engineer Regiment 2nd PA Constabulary Division Bataan USN Base Force Manila USAAF Base Force 803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion Clark Field USAAF Base Force 88th PS Field Artillery Regiment Provisional GMC Grp USAFFE Cavite USN Base Force 200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment II Philippine Corps Far East USAAF 86th PS Coastal Artillery Battalion I Philippine Corps Asiatic Fleet 301st PA Field Artillery Regiment 9) The Chinese stack outside Chungking to the west deliberate attacks to see what's there. Good thing. Losses are heavy on both sides, but the VP rule helps ease the sting for the Allies. Chinese arty is invoved too, which helps. Ground combat at 75,45 (near Chungking) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 73969 troops, 498 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2852 Defending force 34687 troops, 240 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 1281 Allied adjusted assault: 1037 Japanese adjusted defense: 887 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2825 casualties reported Squads: 8 destroyed, 319 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Allied ground losses: 6448 casualties reported Squads: 30 destroyed, 546 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 29 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 41 disabled Guns lost 31 (8 destroyed, 23 disabled) Assaulting units: 75th Chinese Corps 32nd Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 41st Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 14th Chinese Corps 92nd Chinese Corps 57th AT Gun Regiment 1st Artillery Regiment 7th Artillery Regiment Defending units: 58th Division 70th Division 60th Division 102nd Infantry Regiment 22nd/C Division 10) Mandalay Forts go to 5.

desicat -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/2/2013 2:18:36 AM)
Can you post another Tracker shot showing RN damage status?

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/2/2013 3:00:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: desicat Can you post another Tracker shot showing RN damage status? I can once I get the next turn. This was just the movie of the last.

JocMeister -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/2/2013 7:50:02 AM)
Did any of the hits on RS penetrate? I guess no?

BBfanboy -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/2/2013 8:16:56 AM)
May 1942 and you still hold ALL of Java? Awesome! [&o] Fantastic work by that APD and consorts. I know the two IJN DDs were small ones, but your APD would only be armed with 3" guns, one of the other DDs is a WW I four-stacker with 4" guns and Tenedos is one of the little Hunt class DDs, also armed with 4" guns. Better get the name of that APD skipper and follow his career! EDIT: Oops - my bad ... different APD in the surface battle!

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/2/2013 5:01:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Did any of the hits on RS penetrate? I guess no? Nope. The danger of 250kgs on BBs is fires some, and system damge that feeds flooding losses. The number of 250kg hits in the past three turns has been just short of amazing given it's only two carriers.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/2/2013 5:02:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy May 1942 and you still hold ALL of Java? Awesome! [&o] Fantastic work by that APD and consorts. I know the two IJN DDs were small ones, but your APD would only be armed with 3" guns, one of the other DDs is a WW I four-stacker with 4" guns and Tenedos is one of the little Hunt class DDs, also armed with 4" guns. Better get the name of that APD skipper and follow his career! EDIT: Oops - my bad ... different APD in the surface battle! Still would have killed for one Fletcher.

BBfanboy -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/2/2013 5:08:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy May 1942 and you still hold ALL of Java? Awesome! [&o] Fantastic work by that APD and consorts. I know the two IJN DDs were small ones, but your APD would only be armed with 3" guns, one of the other DDs is a WW I four-stacker with 4" guns and Tenedos is one of the little Hunt class DDs, also armed with 4" guns. Better get the name of that APD skipper and follow his career! EDIT: Oops - my bad ... different APD in the surface battle! Still would have killed for one Fletcher. Uh-oh! NSA is going to finger you as a contract killer with a client named Fletcher! [:D]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 12:08:57 AM)
Start of May 22 turn. POW Fires went the right way, but the system damage has increased enough it may not matter. The real effect of 250kg bombs on BBs. [image]local://upfiles/31387/D7AD2E4DB8CC4FC186311AE240631B4B.jpg[/image]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 12:12:53 AM)
Question for JFBs. What kind of float planes does Kongo carry in 1942? I got four Petes destroyed yesterday on the ground I don't recall hititng. The sunk ships has Haruna sinking yesterday, but I saw nothing (would be FOW for Kongo.) Tracker gives the Kongo class an aircraft detail of 3. Can one more be loaded in reserve?

desicat -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 12:37:19 AM)
Just amazing how much punishment those BB's have taken!

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 1:27:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: desicat Just amazing how much punishment those BB's have taken! Yep. Sent the turn back. POW is really the only one in danger of sinking right now unless he turns toward Pt. Blair and attacks agian. Last seen, the IJN carriers were heading west roughly at the height of Georgetown. I slowed everybody down to Cruise but one TF still in Kate range. POW slowed might help a little. Arizona and escorts will merge tomorrow. Sending a bunch of guys to rally at DG, but there's not enough fuel there to get them to CT. Sent a bunch outbound. UK will be the primary repair port for RN hulls. Some withdraw before they'll be fixed. Have to get them in shape for that.

CowboyRonin -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 3:53:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 Question for JFBs. What kind of float planes does Kongo carry in 1942? I got four Petes destroyed yesterday on the ground I don't recall hititng. The sunk ships has Haruna sinking yesterday, but I saw nothing (would be FOW for Kongo.) Tracker gives the Kongo class an aircraft detail of 3. Can one more be loaded in reserve? Kongo is carrying 3 Petes at game start (normal load). It's obviously possible that he added one as a reserve at some point; Haruna has a reserve unit, but it's group starts out as Daves (2 with 1 in reserve).

Quixote -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 3:59:40 AM)
quote: Question for JFBs. What kind of float planes does Kongo carry in 1942? I got four Petes destroyed yesterday on the ground I don't recall hititng. The sunk ships has Haruna sinking yesterday, but I saw nothing (would be FOW for Kongo.) Tracker gives the Kongo class an aircraft detail of 3. Can one more be loaded in reserve? Kongo starts with 3 Petes. With PDU On they could now be Jakes, etc., but those small BB airgroups aren't always very high priority when it comes to assigning newer planes (Petes work just fine spotting for naval bombardments, and BBs don't usually carry much of the search load.) As for adding a plane, several Japanese BBs start with one plane in reserve, so it's possible. Kongo doesn't start with an extra plane, but it should be capable of adding one. I'd say you called it right. Edit: I'm a couple minutes too slow!

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 1:16:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Quixote quote: Question for JFBs. What kind of float planes does Kongo carry in 1942? I got four Petes destroyed yesterday on the ground I don't recall hititng. The sunk ships has Haruna sinking yesterday, but I saw nothing (would be FOW for Kongo.) Tracker gives the Kongo class an aircraft detail of 3. Can one more be loaded in reserve? Kongo starts with 3 Petes. With PDU On they could now be Jakes, etc., but those small BB airgroups aren't always very high priority when it comes to assigning newer planes (Petes work just fine spotting for naval bombardments, and BBs don't usually carry much of the search load.) As for adding a plane, several Japanese BBs start with one plane in reserve, so it's possible. Kongo doesn't start with an extra plane, but it should be capable of adding one. I'd say you called it right. Edit: I'm a couple minutes too slow! Thanks both of you guys. If that's the case it might have been worth it. I don't like to trade POW just for time, but if he lost a BB that evens the books a little. I'm bleeding CAs and CLs, but my later DDs are as good as a lot of pre-war CLs. He doesn't have BBs to spare.

BBfanboy -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 2:16:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: Quixote quote: Question for JFBs. What kind of float planes does Kongo carry in 1942? I got four Petes destroyed yesterday on the ground I don't recall hititng. The sunk ships has Haruna sinking yesterday, but I saw nothing (would be FOW for Kongo.) Tracker gives the Kongo class an aircraft detail of 3. Can one more be loaded in reserve? Kongo starts with 3 Petes. With PDU On they could now be Jakes, etc., but those small BB airgroups aren't always very high priority when it comes to assigning newer planes (Petes work just fine spotting for naval bombardments, and BBs don't usually carry much of the search load.) As for adding a plane, several Japanese BBs start with one plane in reserve, so it's possible. Kongo doesn't start with an extra plane, but it should be capable of adding one. I'd say you called it right. Edit: I'm a couple minutes too slow! Thanks both of you guys. If that's the case it might have been worth it. I don't like to trade POW just for time, but if he lost a BB that evens the books a little. I'm bleeding CAs and CLs, but my later DDs are as good as a lot of pre-war CLs. He doesn't have BBs to spare. A caveat on the ground loss of seaplanes - it is possible to have the airplanes lost to damage or fire on the ship, without the ship being lost. From the damage you did to Kongo though, I agree she likely sank and the fourth Pete could have been from another ship being damaged.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 2:26:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 quote: ORIGINAL: Quixote quote: Question for JFBs. What kind of float planes does Kongo carry in 1942? I got four Petes destroyed yesterday on the ground I don't recall hititng. The sunk ships has Haruna sinking yesterday, but I saw nothing (would be FOW for Kongo.) Tracker gives the Kongo class an aircraft detail of 3. Can one more be loaded in reserve? Kongo starts with 3 Petes. With PDU On they could now be Jakes, etc., but those small BB airgroups aren't always very high priority when it comes to assigning newer planes (Petes work just fine spotting for naval bombardments, and BBs don't usually carry much of the search load.) As for adding a plane, several Japanese BBs start with one plane in reserve, so it's possible. Kongo doesn't start with an extra plane, but it should be capable of adding one. I'd say you called it right. Edit: I'm a couple minutes too slow! Thanks both of you guys. If that's the case it might have been worth it. I don't like to trade POW just for time, but if he lost a BB that evens the books a little. I'm bleeding CAs and CLs, but my later DDs are as good as a lot of pre-war CLs. He doesn't have BBs to spare. A caveat on the ground loss of seaplanes - it is possible to have the airplanes lost to damage or fire on the ship, without the ship being lost. From the damage you did to Kongo though, I agree she likely sank and the fourth Pete could have been from another ship being damaged. The reason I'm hopeful is the Sunk Ships report put up Haruna on the turn after the last one I got the hits on Kongo. FOW on a sunk BB usually is the next day, when one torpedo hit it and the sunk reports starts yelling it's gone. Usually when it's out of sight and on a turn with no shooting it's a fair bet it did sink.

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 2:46:03 PM)
May 22, 1942 Buy Those Codebreakers A Drink! ; Goodnight Sweet Prince Busy day. 1) I have been quietly expanding the American footprint in the Aleutians. Dutch Harbor of course, but also Umnak I. and the beginnings of something at Adak. Of the available routes to a HI strat bombing campaign (China, Formosa, PI, Marianas, Aletutians) the last is by far the cheapest in lost assets even if it's not easy either. Awhile ago I got a single line in daily intel that a small landing LCU was on a maru headed for Umnak. I commented at the time that if this was all he had coming the regiment-plus and Forts 3 there could deal with it. Still, this kind of intel is more solid than a waypoint deception move by Japan. I sent subs as well as a small cruiser TF to the area, and accelerated fort-building. The cruisers had been on a 3-hex-wide N-S barrier patrol just west of Umnak for two days. And they got some business today. Not a Naval Guard unit, but a full-bore invasion. Regiment-plus, probably a base force, and some air transport. A shake & bake base. The IJN escorts would have been fine if I had not gotten the intel. Nothing was north then but a couple of AMs and ACMs in port. But a USN CA without carrier air hassles can ruin your whole day. [image]local://upfiles/31387/D07DCB0C2B914F22AA238E253620F4FE.jpg[/image] Day Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,52, Range 23,000 Yards Japanese Ships AV Akitsushima, Shell hits 5, heavy fires CL Kiso, Shell hits 16, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Yukaze DD Fuyo, Shell hits 1, on fire xAK Hakkai Maru, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Hokuroku Maru, Shell hits 11, and is sunk xAK Tokai Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Tokyo Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Sinko Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires xAK Toa Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires Allied Ships CA Minneapolis, Shell hits 1 CL Helena, Shell hits 3 DD Rathburne, Shell hits 1 Japanese ground losses: 2153 casualties reported Squads: 36 destroyed, 77 disabled Non Combat: 58 destroyed, 140 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 13 disabled Guns lost 27 (5 destroyed, 22 disabled) Only one transport sank during the turn, but most of them will never see Japan again. The CL was penetrating-hit many times and ought to sink. Only one IJN DD got off. The USS Helena came up to the battle late and has most of her ammo left. The hits on the USN ships were minor and non-penetrating. An I-boat was found and prosecuted later in the day, but is a worry. What does this force do now? Much of the landing force is dead. Do they turn and land on another island, with masive disruption and no supply? Do they press on for Umnak anyway? Don't know. But I think I can handle what's left unless there is heavy follow-on. Dutch and Umnak both have CAP and a little anti-shipping air. The defenses are decent and building. Adak has only pre-staged supply right now, but Seabees and garrisons are on the water from Seattle. Have to re-assess this week. But for today this was a nice battle after the carnage in the Bay of B. 2) Prince of Wales, after two more rounds of major flooding, is lost within sight of the main fleet base at Colombo. The Arizona TF had merged to escort, but the system damage was just too much with the Fires. A stiff loss in the theater, but I am mollified somewhat in that she did her job of giving her sisters a fighting chance to escape. 3) The Darwin-based cruisers turn around and go back to Lautem to bombard. The second cruiser TF is still coming. I think I will re-base these at Soerbaja. Darwin has nothing to offer right now as a major fleet base, and is very exposed to raid if Timor falls. To some extent I hope he does invade at Darwin. I don't care, and it ties up a lot of combat power better used on Java. Northern Oz might be a forum favorite, but it's a bad move by Japan unless they are on the verge of auto-vic. Night Naval bombardment of Lautem at 72,115 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses A6M2-N Rufe: 3 damaged Allied Ships CA Pensacola CL Perth Japanese ground losses: 50 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 7 Runway hits 11 Port hits 29 Port supply hits 1 SOC-1 Seagull acting as spotter for CA Pensacola (It did work this time.) CA Pensacola firing at Lautem CL Perth firing at Lautem 4) Very limited strat bombing does not score any industry hits. Resting most of my limited multi-engine force. B-17s, bombing Singers' shipyard at night, meet a solid Oscar night CAP and down 2 for no losses. Interesting intel though. Singers AF goes to 8 today. 5) In China a lot of sweeping finds open skies. Seems like a lot of supply and ops losses given how lousy the Chinese air force is on a good day, but who am I to mind? Chungking gets one small AF raid. The Allies probe bomb the LCU sitting to the NW of Chungking and find only an engineering unit. A hex-closer I guess. 6) After the major battle one hex west of Chungking yesterday I had to make a decision. Japanese disabled squads were pretty high at 500+, and Chinese got beat on leadershhip. A lot of the limited Chinese arty is out in that hex, and I need it to defend the city. OTOH, the Japanese stack had some very juicy premium divisions, and not that many compared to the big stack to the west which will be coming by and by. So, being the risk-taker I am [:)], I spent the PPs to get every Chinese general over 50 on Land and Shock attacked, looking to kill the disabled squads from yesterday. Got good rolls. Very good rolls. The Japanese retreated in a rout. I keep preaching that the Chinese CAN fight when supplied, led, and given just a taste of support. Chinese losses will be hard or impossible to make up once back in the city, but it was worth it on a tactical and a VP basis, given the ratio rules Chinese vs. Japanese. Ground combat at 75,45 (near Chungking) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 69681 troops, 492 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2307 Defending force 32350 troops, 240 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 1042 Allied adjusted assault: 1378 Japanese adjusted defense: 492 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-) Japanese ground losses: 5517 casualties reported Squads: 366 destroyed, 293 disabled Non Combat: 330 destroyed, 112 disabled Engineers: 9 destroyed, 11 disabled Guns lost 91 (31 destroyed, 60 disabled) Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled) Units retreated 5 Allied ground losses: 3542 casualties reported Squads: 135 destroyed, 218 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 48 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 50 disabled Guns lost 27 (2 destroyed, 25 disabled) Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 32nd Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 41st Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 14th Chinese Corps 92nd Chinese Corps 57th AT Gun Regiment 1st Artillery Regiment 7th Artillery Regiment Defending units: 60th Division 102nd Infantry Regiment 70th Division 58th Division 22nd/C Division

catwhoorg -> RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks (6/3/2013 2:57:07 PM)
Now that looks like a win right there.

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