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Lowpe -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/29/2017 12:05:38 AM)

Your bomber crews look to be in great shape.[&o]



Alpha77 -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/29/2017 12:45:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DW


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ORIGINAL: crsutton


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ORIGINAL: DW


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I always find a colonel in charge of a fighter unit on the west coast named "Sanders, H L."


H. L. Sanders? I'm not getting the reference.

Has anyone ever looked for a "Wild Bill" Kelso on the west coast?


Quinton McHale is in the game as well.



I seem to recall Gene Roddenberry flew in the Pacific during WWII. I wonder if he's in the game...



Gary Grigsby and Paul Vebber are in the game [&o] Ah and M.Schwanebeck too (latter 2 are or were Matrix personnel)



CaptBeefheart -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/29/2017 2:44:26 AM)

The pilot rosters are chock full of Brorses, Dunnigans, Grigsbys, Billingses and no doubt some other giants of the gaming industry. Speaking of McHale, I once tried to find Ol' Leadbottom (Capt. Binghampton) but no joy. I don't think there's a LCDR Queeg either, but I could be mistaken.

Cheers,
CC



MakeeLearn -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/29/2017 12:05:12 PM)

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I seem to recall Gene Roddenberry flew in the Pacific during WWII. I wonder if he's in the game...



Yes. I've seen G. Roddenberry.



BBfanboy -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/29/2017 3:15:50 PM)

Anybody spot G.H.W. Bush?
JFK is in the game, but not on PT-109.
On the Japanese side, Tameichi Hara (author of "Japanese Destroyer Captain") is included but maybe not on Amatsukaze at start.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/29/2017 11:44:47 PM)

11/13/44

Fancy Pants: In China, the situation is deteriorating rapidly for John. I think he's purposely sacrificing units to slow down the Allies breakthrough and advance. He'll succeed to some extent but at the expense of a lot of big units, in all likelihood. Why he chose to shock attack with 17th Div. yesterday is an enduring mystery.

Some Q-Ship type of KB bait is loitering around the Ryukus. Death Star isn't far away, if John wishes to seek battle. But I'm not going after the bait, if that's actually what it is.

I want to accomplish as much as possible in the next week or so. After that, I'm going to have to detach or break contact in order to bring in supply from the DEI. That'll be tough to stomach but it may be the last big convoy run of the war (not saying it definitely is -just a possibility).



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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:04:19 PM)

11/14/44

IJN BBs Miss: John tried to intercept Death Star, guessed on it's likely location, but missed. I'm leery of my carriers getting anywhere close to a combat TF of this size but I think BBs Iowa, New Jersey, and a host of other powerful TFs, would've come out on top.

This tells me much about John's current state of mind. I think we're on the eve of decisive battle.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:09:46 PM)

11/14/44

Raid on Hammamatsu: An effective raid that scores despite a lack of prep.

I really switches up on raids today: night, day, distant, close, etc. I'll post a few of the better ones, not the smaller ones that didn't score.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:18:45 PM)

11/14/44

Raid on Wakayama: Daytime raid doesn't face CAP and does well.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:21:32 PM)

11/14/44

Air Raid Fukuyama: Liberators from Ningpo encounter opposition during daytime raid targeting Resources at Fukuyama.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:23:45 PM)

11/14/44

2nd Air Raid Fukuyama

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:29:06 PM)

11/14/44

Air Raid Kurume: The Mustangs keep the enemy at bay but at high cost. The Liberators aren't molested by the CAP and score pretty well.

I doubt the Mustang pools will allow this kind of sacrificial mission but it's good to know that escort can play a role in letting the bombers get inside.


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Lecivius -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:32:05 PM)

Wow, big losses [:(] But the B is not as good as the D.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:33:17 PM)

11/14/44

Air Raid Otsonomiya: The new Superforts shouldn't be used for daytime raids, but I forgot.

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Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:35:40 PM)

11/14/44

Air Raid Kochi: Working on the periphery of things.

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Grfin Zeppelin -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:38:44 PM)

I wouldnt hit resources Like I mentioned 100 pages ago he must be short on fuel and maybe supplies. If you hit oil he loses fuel and has to spend supply to repair it. Win win.



Lokasenna -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:48:47 PM)


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I wouldnt hit resources Like I mentioned 100 pages ago he must be short on fuel and maybe supplies. If you hit oil he loses fuel and has to spend supply to repair it. Win win.


That depends. If it's a large resource center (say, many hundreds) with low manpower, then it's also probably a place with few other factories so may be lightly defended. If it's about points rather than depleting his ability to fight back (and I'd argue that's the case now - points over military concerns), then it may be easier to quickly harvest a few hundred VPs based on damaging resource centers at, say, Kushiro - 600+ Resources, little manpower, almost no other industry. May not be defended except for the fact that it's on the coast. I'm sure there are some other examples, but southern Japan is a bit more lousy with airfields than Hokkaido is.



Grfin Zeppelin -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 5:53:32 PM)


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I wouldnt hit resources Like I mentioned 100 pages ago he must be short on fuel and maybe supplies. If you hit oil he loses fuel and has to spend supply to repair it. Win win.


That depends. If it's a large resource center (say, many hundreds) with low manpower, then it's also probably a place with few other factories so may be lightly defended. If it's about points rather than depleting his ability to fight back (and I'd argue that's the case now - points over military concerns), then it may be easier to quickly harvest a few hundred VPs based on damaging resource centers at, say, Kushiro - 600+ Resources, little manpower, almost no other industry. May not be defended except for the fact that it's on the coast. I'm sure there are some other examples, but southern Japan is a bit more lousy with airfields than Hokkaido is.

Ah very true of course. Well he stated several times that he is after the VP now.



Lowpe -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 6:02:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

I wouldnt hit resources Like I mentioned 100 pages ago he must be short on fuel and maybe supplies. If you hit oil he loses fuel and has to spend supply to repair it. Win win.


It would be almost impossible to believe that Japan is spending supply to repair anything here.[8|]

A r&d facility with the plane set to arrive in a month or two maybe. The only possibility would be fighters or night fighters. Everything else can burn...pretty much.




Lowpe -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 6:13:44 PM)

What can we learn from this expose?

1. Bomb low enough, and with a big payload, and you don't need DL. Especially if the target is rather largish.

2. Japan's air defenses are pitiful. They might be strong at the big bases, but I haven't see it. As long as the Allies don't fly into the KB during the daytime and avoid the biggest bases they can pull off a big daytime raid I bet...maybe that will change after today's testing of the waters. But who knows? Maybe Japan has tactics that aren't obvious here, and this was just a poor day....

3. Never seen a fighter bomber for Japan anywhere.

4. Ki61a? That tells you something.



5. CR is busy as a beaver experimenting with strategic bombing; it is hard to see that Japan is doing the same thing given the results posted. Upshot, CR will get more and more effective and Japan less and less.

6. Estimated time to target 5-11 minutes. Ouch.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 6:49:39 PM)

11/14/44

SitRep: On the whole today was a routinely "good" day for the Allies. But I had hoped for a more stellar day. While watching the replay I had hopes that the strategic bombing points would be pretty good on the day. They weren't and the loss of the P-51Bs took some of the shine off that department of the war anyway.

But the China fronts continue to devolve badly for Japan. There are so many broken units retiring in so many directions. There's always the temptation to detach units to chase down and batter retreating riff-raff but I'm sending most of my army east or NE as fast as they're little legs and wheel can carry or propel them.

I'll post a detailed map later today.


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JeffroK -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 8:30:17 PM)

The B29-25 is a day bomber, its the B29B that sheds weight for a low level night bomber role.



BBfanboy -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/30/2017 9:02:51 PM)

The strikes on Kurume and Utsonomiya probably suffered from bleeding CAP from Nagasaki and Tokyo respectively. Might be best to avoid day strikes on targets one hex from a major base.



Canoerebel -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/31/2017 4:40:58 AM)

11/14/44

Fancy Pants: The Chinese are victorious along the old MLR west of Changsha while the western Allies continue to beat tuckered enemy units near the coast.

In addition to all the supply ships gathering in the DEI, there are transports carrying a lot of reinforcements. These will land in China - probably mostly at Ningpo to reinforce the impending moves on Shanghai and Hangchow.

The Chinese armies will be dividing - the western contingent will move on Canton and/or Hong Kong. They'll almost certainly need heavy air force support to take either or both those bases. The central and eastern components of the Chinese army will move on Changsha and attempt to link up with the western Allies somewhere between Changsha and Hangchow, thus completing a great encirclement. This will take another ten days or so.



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JohnDillworth -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/31/2017 9:23:40 AM)

John will certainly try and sneak his BB's in again if past history is any indication. He has had some success wit this tactic in the past and he is good at it. Once he knows he can get in and out at night or without air retaliation he tends to keep swinging until those ships are sunk. Since the big boy are not likely to be needed for fleet AA support have you considered putting more that DD task forces in the way?



paullus99 -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/31/2017 12:15:11 PM)

I would agree - he's obviously brought back the heavies to try to interfere with your operations - I would expect either a bombardment of Ningpo or he's going to hunt for your carriers.....

Since he hasn't seemed to want to commit his carriers (at this point they are free VPs), I guess he has no problem sending it what are, for all intents, sacrificial lambs, if it means he can harvest more VPs.



Lokasenna -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/31/2017 3:02:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

What can we learn from this expose?

1. Bomb low enough, and with a big payload, and you don't need DL. Especially if the target is rather largish.



Shhhh.



jwolf -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/31/2017 3:17:42 PM)

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... Chinese army will move on Changsha and attempt to link up with the western Allies somewhere between Changsha and Hangchow, thus completing a great encirclement. This will take another ten days or so.


Ten days seems wildly optimistic. I don't think you could do that even without any Japanese army at all. With light fighting, maybe 3 weeks. Longer if there is stiff resistance at a key base such as Changsha or Nanchang/Kiukiang. That's my take, anyway. But I certainly agree that this theater is going really well for you. It's great to see the Chinese army successfully at work (though they have had some severe losses in failed attacks, too).

BTW I really like your maps with the color coded annotations. Great work.



Lowpe -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/31/2017 3:25:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

What can we learn from this expose?

1. Bomb low enough, and with a big payload, and you don't need DL. Especially if the target is rather largish.



Shhhh.


Ok, I won't mention using this tactic on ports. Oops.[;)]



Lowpe -> RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent (8/31/2017 3:30:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jwolf

Ten days seems wildly optimistic.


Sounds spot on to me.




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