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ORIGINAL: AcePylut

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ORIGINAL: Zecke

to--------Acepylut[&:]

ya ya ya..(means I GOT YOU)¡¡

so....

I know why this game is unfriendly; but the japans have fun until 43; then there are six crucial months where I GET really [sm=sign0031.gif] for playing this game; and then my game is finish and start another game called ADMIRAL EDITION where the allys have fun, but we dont;

then..you dont want to continue and understood; me too; why?

Because you only have to do, is play until 43, we see how you have fun. and the allys recognise your victory on how good are you played¡..maybe.

THEN ME..as japan continue your game; because am Spanish so if you want an AAR-PBME i will play what you have left; navy (dont sink too much) play until 43 and i continue until 46..and we compare what have you done and what have i done.

so start a PBME and i will take japan rest; just one favor build as much as you can JACKs about 3000. ACEPYLUT, 3000 jaks please. and go with the KBs TO HELL.

The reason I haven't made it to "end game" is because the Japanese player has always "disappeared" once the "Japanese fun time" is over (late '42).

I've got a game going on right now that looks promising. We're in Jan '42 (still early) but there's been good give and take. I've learned enough from my 5-7 previous short pbem's that I'm not going to, and don't have to, "Sir Robin".

If for some reason that game ends, I'll take you up on your offer. Unfortunately, as it is, due to real life commitments I can only really afford the time for 1 game at any given time.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Man, that is one good picture for your campaign!
The "troops surrounded" message usually means one or more units also gets eliminated. There might be only one or no enemy units there next turn.

IIRC Hué was the last place on the rail line up the EC of Vietnam that the Japanese held. If they retreated inland off the rail line, you can probably draw supply all the way to Vinh and load your LSTs there, shaving three or four days travel off their mission and saving a bunch of fuel too. Of course, clearing Hainan comes first. [:)]

Surrounded doesn't eliminate units, but it is bad. The only guidance I received on it was that it meant the number of disabled devices in the unit was doubled (presumably for each type of device).

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

And the bottom of the Combat Report ....



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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Man, that is one good picture for your campaign!
The "troops surrounded" message usually means one or more units also gets eliminated. There might be only one or no enemy units there next turn.

IIRC Hué was the last place on the rail line up the EC of Vietnam that the Japanese held. If they retreated inland off the rail line, you can probably draw supply all the way to Vinh and load your LSTs there, shaving three or four days travel off their mission and saving a bunch of fuel too. Of course, clearing Hainan comes first. [:)]

Surrounded doesn't eliminate units, but it is bad. The only guidance I received on it was that it meant the number of disabled devices in the unit was doubled (presumably for each type of device).

I have to beg to differ - with evidence from a turn of mine this morning. The Allies invaded Pagan which was weakly held and attacked last turn, taking the base but not eliminating the enemy. But at the end of the ground combat phase of the turn (after one more combat in a different place) the text about Japanese troops surrounded at Pagan appeared, and the map for the next turn shows no IJA unit left on Pagan.
The Combat Report with overlay of the subsequent map:

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Man, that is one good picture for your campaign!
The "troops surrounded" message usually means one or more units also gets eliminated. There might be only one or no enemy units there next turn.

IIRC Hué was the last place on the rail line up the EC of Vietnam that the Japanese held. If they retreated inland off the rail line, you can probably draw supply all the way to Vinh and load your LSTs there, shaving three or four days travel off their mission and saving a bunch of fuel too. Of course, clearing Hainan comes first. [:)]

Surrounded doesn't eliminate units, but it is bad. The only guidance I received on it was that it meant the number of disabled devices in the unit was doubled (presumably for each type of device).

I have to beg to differ - with evidence from a turn of mine this morning. The Allies invaded Pagan which was weakly held and attacked last turn, taking the base but not eliminating the enemy. But at the end of the ground combat phase of the turn (after one more combat in a different place) the text about Japanese troops surrounded at Pagan appeared, and the map for the next turn shows no IJA unit left on Pagan.
The Combat Report with overlay of the subsequent map:

What you are seeing is the confluence of two different things. A long time ago there was a discussion about the 'surrounded' message. MichaelM commented that the message indicates a unit is out of supply, and that explained what I had been seeing because I too had thought 'surrounded' meant the unit was being destroyed. I was seeing (and continued to see) 'surrounded' messages in many cases where the unit was still there the following turn (whether my unit or an enemy unit).

Being out of supply has consequences as we know. Those consequences plus whatever else the unit suffered earlier during the turn sometimes result in the unit being destroyed that same turn. But not always.

Your observations of the 'surrounded' message being associated with a unit being destroyed are certainly true, and the observations of others of the 'surrounded' message being associated with a unit not being destroyed are also true.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

And the bottom of the Combat Report ....



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Yes, surrounded units CAN be eliminated by the surrounded status outside of the combat routine, but, like most things in this game, it's a variable chance and not a set result.

My experience is that 9 times out of 10 the surrounded units are still there the next turn waiting to be destroyed.

In fact, with large stacks surrounded, they can survive multiple turns in that surrounded condition.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Man, that is one good picture for your campaign!
The "troops surrounded" message usually means one or more units also gets eliminated. There might be only one or no enemy units there next turn.

IIRC Hué was the last place on the rail line up the EC of Vietnam that the Japanese held. If they retreated inland off the rail line, you can probably draw supply all the way to Vinh and load your LSTs there, shaving three or four days travel off their mission and saving a bunch of fuel too. Of course, clearing Hainan comes first. [:)]

Surrounded doesn't eliminate units, but it is bad. The only guidance I received on it was that it meant the number of disabled devices in the unit was doubled (presumably for each type of device).

I have to beg to differ - with evidence from a turn of mine this morning. The Allies invaded Pagan which was weakly held and attacked last turn, taking the base but not eliminating the enemy. But at the end of the ground combat phase of the turn (after one more combat in a different place) the text about Japanese troops surrounded at Pagan appeared, and the map for the next turn shows no IJA unit left on Pagan.
The Combat Report with overlay of the subsequent map:

What you are seeing is the confluence of two different things. A long time ago there was a discussion about the 'surrounded' message. MichaelM commented that the message indicates a unit is out of supply, and that explained what I had been seeing because I too had thought 'surrounded' meant the unit was being destroyed. I was seeing (and continued to see) 'surrounded' messages in many cases where the unit was still there the following turn (whether my unit or an enemy unit).

Being out of supply has consequences as we know. Those consequences plus whatever else the unit suffered earlier during the turn sometimes result in the unit being destroyed that same turn. But not always.

Your observations of the 'surrounded' message being associated with a unit being destroyed are certainly true, and the observations of others of the 'surrounded' message being associated with a unit not being destroyed are also true.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

2/1/45

Enemy Counterespionage or Vomitos de Informacion: John sent this email with the new turn: Are you seriously looking at making another Amphib Landing in China/Manchuria/Korea?  Wow.  Roll the dice Sir.  I’ve got anywhere from 600—3,100 AV at the coast ports.  This could be interesting to watch.

John is an excitable young man, so sometimes he blurts the first thing that comes to his mind. Sometimes the comments strike me as genuine (as when he said Ningpo "wasn't important"). Sometimes the comments strike me as the false bravado of a worried player (as when he threatened utter mayhem if Death Star dared to steam pass Formosa, many months ago, and it proceeded to do so with impunity).

I think this is the false bravado of a worried player. Apparently he doesn't realize I've had detection on many of his bases for a long time. I know there are many holes in his defenses. My major concern is that he has a mobile (strat mode) reserve force at a central location, waiting to train into the invasion beach. He failed to do that before (Formosa) much to the chagrin of some of his experienced readers (who commented in my AAR). They've probably tutored him well since then, so I'm expecting something of the sort. Which is why I hope: (1) my para-assaults will knock those units out of strat mode (assuming he is guessing the right beach) and (2) the overwhelming weight of USN bombardment TFs against clear terrain will prove effective.

This is not cakewalk. It could prove very nettlesome and turn ugly. But I'm going to work it, as getting an advanced airfield in Korea would be a major step in the right direction. If John does outguess me, I'll pick up my troops and proceed with Plan B. I hope Plan B won't be necessary.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It might matter, a bit. As you noted a week or two ago, the cumulative affect of losing ships (or whatever) does impact the bottom line. John's going to score some points here and there, but I don't need to give him any more assists.

The thing about the little Judy raid that somehow penetrated Death Star to score a hit on Pensacola....what happens when 1,000 kamikazes, bombers and escorts show up? Can DS CAP handle the threat? I think so, but I don't know for sure. John will never have a better chance to strike than tomorrow, so perhaps we'll find out.

Am I making a mistake by invading Korea? I suppose its debatable, like everything. The thing is, I KNOW I can use an airfield to good effect in achieving the final victory. And I THINK Death Star is up to the task (part of the equation - if John loses 750 aircraft in return for 375 points of Allied shipping, it works out fine for auto-vic purposes). I do wish I had enough experience to better gauge whether I'm taking the wrong chance here. That's part of playing deeply and learning new things.