RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please

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Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 1:04:32 PM)
Did some rough estimates on the economy. Reckon I need about 2 million HI for aircraft and engines, 3 million for the navy, 3 million for land and 1 million for pilots for a total of about 9 million. Current oil/fuel/HI stock piles are enough for about 8.5 million (not counting ship usage) so looking good for the raw materials. Current HI needs 500 days to produce the HI needed. It is 300 days until the B-29 can start wrecking my industry so need to keep most of the HI running through to the end of 1944. Of course, probably need it to run longer to use up all the fuel stocks to produce supply.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 2:08:11 PM)
May 31st 1943 Air Losses: 20 Japanese, 4 Allied, 1 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs Quiet Solomons About 80 Liberators hit Rabaul at night bombing the airfield from 15,000 feet. AA is ineffective. Lost 3 Ki-44-IIc in air-air and 13 assorted planes on the ground, yuck! More signs of Allied activity as Catalinas do daytime search and two are shot down. Burma Quiet Engineering Quiet Production Ki-84r to 5/45. Ki-64-Ib becomes available, not interested. Reinforcements Quiet

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 2:12:43 PM)
May Summary Another quiet month with no change in base ownership. Air losses picking up a bit as the Allies deploy better fighters. A bad attack by me at Warazup. We both launched naval raids, me at Buin him at Rabaul. A lot of bases in the Pacific are having supply problems, plus also at Akyab, and this gives the minus on base VP. Allied expansion both at the front lines and in rear areas gives them VPs. Japan Allied Overall: +525 +663 Land: +68 +65 Air: +281 +344 Base: -128 +120 Sea: +304 +136 [image]local://upfiles/43194/35A27138C3804637A02A1C82A59572B5.jpg[/image]

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 2:17:06 PM)
At sea losses. Mine are a CA and a DD from my attack. 4 TK and 2 AKE lost to the PT raid. 1 AMc to subs, 1 ACM to port strike at Rabaul. The West Virginia is wishful thinking on his losses. Additional to that I'm pretty certain of 2 TK and an xAK from sub attacks. This still leaves about 40 VP short on the tally which suggests may have sunk another cruiser and a DD. [image]local://upfiles/43194/7861084AC670472DADB871B0FA679213.jpg[/image]

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 2:20:14 PM)
Industry still looks okay. Oil: -53,485 Fuel: +231,037 Supply: +57,408 HI: +71,979 Vehicles: +4,843 Arms: +15,748 [image]local://upfiles/43194/EC0173E408D048EBAD70C716795BB754.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 2:28:34 PM)
Ok, I will disagree and say I think your supply looks low...everything else good. For comparison: Here is Obvert's AAR vs Joc supply situation in July 4th of 1943: 4.7 million; by Aug 21, 1944 it dropped to 3.4 million; by June 1945 it is crisis mode. Now, you have three advantages Obvert didn't have: 1. I think you are far along the supply expenditure path for late planes and engines; 2. you are scenario 2; better planes and night fighter program. Obvert had 4.6m fuel and only .7m oil in July 4th 1943: by Aug 21 1944 that drops to 2.6m fuel and .3m oil.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 2:54:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Ok, I will disagree and say I think your supply looks low...everything else good. For comparison: Here is Obvert's AAR vs Joc supply situation in July 4th of 1943: 4.7 million; by Aug 21, 1944 it dropped to 3.4 million; by June 1945 it is crisis mode. Now, you have three advantages Obvert didn't have: 1. I think you are far along the supply expenditure path for late planes and engines; 2. you are scenario 2; better planes and night fighter program. Obvert had 4.6m fuel and only .7m oil in July 4th 1943: by Aug 21 1944 that drops to 2.6m fuel and .3m oil. This is DBB-C (which is scenario 1 based) without refineries producing supply and without the extra industry added in later updates. This means I am producing 3300 supply less per day than in Obvert's game, or about 1.5 million so far over the game. To compensate for this I am trying to maintain larger fuel stockpiles. Relative to Obvert's game I have about 1.1 million more oil and 1.5 million more fuel which in turn represents about 2.5 million potential supply. So total saved supply potential is about 1 million better than in Obvert's game. I believe Obvert's game ran into supply difficulties, in part, because he did not have the fuel to run industry. Of course, if the HI is destroyed, so the fuel can't be turned into supply, then having all the saved fuel in the world won't do any good. On the other hand, once that happens the game is more or less over.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 3:32:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery This is DBB-C (which is scenario 1 based) without refineries producing supply and without the extra industry added in later updates. This means I am producing 3300 supply less per day than in Obvert's game, or about 1.5 million so far over the game. To compensate for this I am trying to maintain larger fuel stockpiles. Relative to Obvert's game I have about 1.1 million more oil and 1.5 million more fuel which in turn represents about 2.5 million potential supply. So total saved supply potential is about 1 million better than in Obvert's game. I believe Obvert's game ran into supply difficulties, in part, because he did not have the fuel to run industry. Of course, if the HI is destroyed, so the fuel can't be turned into supply, then having all the saved fuel in the world won't do any good. On the other hand, once that happens the game is more or less over. Yes, I remember the mod without the increase in LI to offset refinery loss. You have posted previously you are at the point where you have more than enough fuel, and will most likely not get a chance to process it into supplies. Which is why I still think you should talk with Mr. Kane and get some supplies added to your pools to offset that lost supply from refineries now, before the game gets critical. I think in his last post about the industry, Obvert still had enough fuel to run 1500 points of HI in Osaka and Tokyo. I seem to recall that globally Obvert still had 50% of his HI left as of July 1, 1945. You have such a wonderful game going...I would hate to see it end prematurely over a supply situation that is not your fault.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 4:42:55 PM)
quote: Yes, I remember the mod without the increase in LI to offset refinery loss. You have posted previously you are at the point where you have more than enough fuel, and will most likely not get a chance to process it into supplies. Which is why I still think you should talk with Mr. Kane and get some supplies added to your pools to offset that lost supply from refineries now, before the game gets critical. I think in his last post about the industry, Obvert still had enough fuel to run 1500 points of HI in Osaka and Tokyo. I seem to recall that globally Obvert still had 50% of his HI left as of July 1, 1945. You have such a wonderful game going...I would hate to see it end prematurely over a supply situation that is not your fault. This is the same scenario in which Greyjoy conceded to Tom at the end of 1944. At that point Japan had 1.5 million supply and 1.5 million fuel. I hope to better that. Although, that rather depends on holding territory. To win the game, Japan needs to hold on until May 1946. To achieve that requires having an effective industry running, at least, until the Soviets activate. I doubt I will manage that, but if I do then I will be able to use the fuel. My view is that it just isn't cricket to change the rules in the middle of a game. Same as I wouldn't suggest introducing HR to curtail night bombing, or high-altitude sweeps, or a database change to unnerf the 800Kg bomb or torpedoes.

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 5:33:38 PM)
More than fair.[:)]

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 6:12:13 PM)
June 1st 1943 Air Losses: 2 Japanese, 0 Allied, 1 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs Quiet Solomons Liberators bomb Rabaul at night, 2 Ki-44-IIc lost in the air. Burma Helens bomb Kalemyo at night, no losses. Engineering Quiet Production N1K2-J to 6/44 A6M5d-S to 5/44 (first advance of a night fighter). Reinforcements Quiet

FeurerKrieg -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/4/2014 9:09:31 PM)
I think a lot of Scen 1 & 2 DBB-C games are still running without the extra LI added back in. When it was first modded, that was a conscious decision because some felt there was too much supply for Japan in the DEI. I think the game is doable without the extra supply, just more of a challenge is all. If I start another game it will be with the LI added back in, although I'll probably be playing Allies at that point. I watch this AAR so I can see how the supply game plays out and adjust my own game accordingly. So thanks for not changing things up mid stream. [:)]

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/5/2014 8:13:52 AM)
June 2nd 1943 Air Losses: 24 Japanese, 11 Allied, 8 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs Quiet Solomons Liberators bomb Rabaul at night. One of the Irving night fighters is lost and the other is in repair. 3 planes lost on the ground and 3 in the air but 2 Liberators dont make it back (ops losses). Burma Weather grounds night strike at Kalemyo. Thunderbolts sweep Magwe: 7 P-47D2 for 7 N1K1-J, 6 Ki-43-IIb, 2 Ki-44-II so just manageable. Engineering Quiet Production First Ki-46-III KAI night fighter factory repaired, second one only has 2 to go. Should be available in time to deploy before the B-29 arrives. Oil pull from Fusan seems to be getting better with 20,000 fuel and 12,000 oil there after the weekly supply move. Reinforcements SS I-37, SC CHa-33

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/5/2014 5:39:19 PM)
June 3rd 1943 Air Losses: 1 Japanese, 0 Allied, 0 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs I-10 sinks AM Matai (2 VP) between Pearl and San Francisco. Part of a tanker convoy heading to Los Angeles. Solomons Quiet Burma Quiet Engineering Moulmein forts to 5. Production Quiet Reinforcements An 8150 capacity TK.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/6/2014 6:07:17 PM)
June 4th 1943 Air Losses: 7 Japanese, 3 Allied, 1 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs I-19 probably sinks the TK Gulfland off the USA West Coast. Solomons Liberators bomb Rabaul at night. They come in in many packets and it costs. 4 Ki-44-IIc lost for 1 B-24D1 as ops loss. No losses on the ground. Burma Quiet Engineering Quiet Production B6N2a to 7/44. Reinforcements SC CHa-31

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/6/2014 9:22:50 PM)
What planes make up your KB now?

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/7/2014 8:26:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe What planes make up your KB now? 217 A6M5, 86 A6M5c, 91 B6N2, 190 D4Y4, 51 D4Y1 ready planes. Just about to replace the last of the D4Y1 by D4Y4 but it will be at least 2 months before the A6M5 can all be upgraded to A6M5c. I also have 1 CVE that has 27 D4Y4 on it. Mostly been using this as a mobile ASW base to fill gaps between LBA.

JocMeister -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/7/2014 8:31:01 AM)
Is that the version with the 800kg bomb? They pack a mighty punch! And 2 years ahead of schedule! [X(]

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/7/2014 8:40:09 AM)
June 5th 1943 Air Losses: 2 Japanese, 0 Allied, 0 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs An unlucky day for the Japanese subs. I-10 takes a shot at TK Elsa but misses. I-10 puts a torpedo into TK War Sirdar but no fires or special damage and she looks afloat but detached. I-19 finds a big tanker, H.M. Storey, in her sights, hits, but it is a dud. This all on the same convoy heading from Pearl to the West Coast. The subs are conserving torpedoes and only sending 2 torpedoes at each target. He seems to be sending tanker TF between West Coast and Pearl with limited, light, escorts. I may see if I can slip a couple of AMC through to target a convoy. Solomons Betties strike at Lunga at night from altitude, no hits. Burma Strikes at Kalemyo at night mostly fail but a few Helens make it and score no hits. Engineering Myitkyina airfield to 4. Balikpapan forts to 4. Production Quiet Reinforcements Quiet Other PB Fukui Maru is at Jolo, all system and minor damage has been fixed and she has 79 major float damage. Able to make 3 knots, it is 560 nautical miles to the nearest shipyard that can fix her, will she make it? A PB is at Truk with 61 major float and no other damage. It is going to wait there until the ARD becomes available, at the moment it is occupied with fixing DD. Allied Plans Still no indications where, or when, the Allies will strike. The Essex should have arrived last month. If his carriers are in the Pacific then it should have joined, or nearly joined, the rest of the carriers. If the carriers are in the Indian Ocean then it may still be en-route. He has had 2 months of Hellcat production so that should have replaced the Wildcats on the main carriers, but probably not on the CVE yet. In short, he should be ready to go. Sigint has occasionally suggested that he is sending troops to Perth so an attack from that quarter is a possibility. I think that his most likely option is an attack, without carrier support, either against Horn Island/Port Moresby/Milne Bay or Buna/Kavieng and if I commit my carriers there then a carrier supported attack against Sumatra, Java, Marianas or Kuriles. The longer this quiet spell lasts the bigger the hammer will fall.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/7/2014 8:59:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Is that the version with the 800kg bomb? They pack a mighty punch! And 2 years ahead of schedule! [X(] Yes and no. It is the "kamikaze" version with an 800Kg bomb but in DBB the effectiveness of the 800Kg bomb is substantially reduced. Stock: Effect 1200, Pen 170, Acc 42 DBB: Effect 536, Pen 174, Acc 39 What may be more useful is that it can carry a 500kg bomb at range 7 and 8 which makes a big boost to the success of a range 8 strike. 500kg SAP stats: Stock: Effect 738, Pen 112, Acc 33 DBB: Effect 400, Pen 129, Acc 29 The GP version of the 800kg bomb packs a good punch, not sure when that is used, Stock: Effect 1788, Pen 113, Acc 42 DBB: Effect 1073, Pen 84, Acc 39

JocMeister -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/7/2014 9:11:05 AM)
Cool, thanks for the info. [:)]

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/7/2014 6:45:58 PM)
June 5th 1943 Air Losses: 4 Japanese, 0 Allied, 2 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs Quiet Solomons Quiet Burma Night strikes at Kalemyo have no effect. Engineering Iwo-Jima forts to 5. Allies expand Darwin airfield to 7. Production Mitsubishi Ha-43 to 11/43 Reinforcements Quiet Other I'm taking too many ops losses, need to find out why. The PB at Jolo makes 1 hex and float goes from 70 to 96. Will head for Zamboanga and send an ARD there.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/8/2014 8:25:31 AM)
June 6th 1943 Air Losses: 0 Japanese, 0 Allied, 0 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: It is so quiet, the combat report: quote: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jun 07, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 75,39 (near Chengtu) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 900 troops, 66 guns, 57 vehicles, Assault Value = 410 Defending force 44111 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 577 Allied ground losses: 149 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 32nd Division 9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion Defending units: 42nd Chinese Corps 13th Chinese Corps 93rd Chinese Corps 94th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 16th Chinese Corps 19th Chinese Corps

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/8/2014 12:11:01 PM)
June 8th 1943 Air Losses: 28 Japanese, 12 Allied, 9 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs Quiet Solomons Miserable day at Rabaul. At night, Liberators bomb the port. Badly damaged DD Shinonome is sunk along with the 3 ACM tending the minefields. The last J1N1-S of the Endo Det. is shot down along with 5 Ki-44-IIc. 4 B-24D1 are downed by flak or ops. In the morning, big sweep by Thunderbolts supported by Corsairs and Wildcats on LRCAP and the defense does poorly. In the afternoon 12 PB4Y-1 come in at 3000 feet with P-38G, F4F-4 and F4U-1 covering. The 130 N1K1-J on CAP fail to get through to the bombers and lose out in the air. CA Nachi takes 2 bomb hits and CA Chokai takes 1 but damage is trivial, except for an AA mount lost on CA Nachi. Air loss for the day air-air 22 N1K1-J versus 4 F4U-1, 2 P-38G, 1 F4F-4, 1 P-47D2. Burma Quiet Engineering Boela airfield to 5. Production Quiet Reinforcements Quiet

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/8/2014 2:49:31 PM)
June 9th 1943 Air Losses: 3 Japanese, 1 Allied, 3 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs Lost an 8150 capacity TK to SS Runner near Rabaul. Solomons Quiet Burma Quiet Engineering Quiet Production Quiet Reinforcements SC CHa-23

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/8/2014 3:50:52 PM)
June 10th 1943 Air Losses: 2 Japanese, 0 Allied, 0 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs Quiet Solomons Quiet Burma Quiet Engineering Laoag airfield to 4. Manus airfield to 1. Production Ki-84r to 4/45. Reinforcements An 11,600 capacity tanker.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/8/2014 5:58:11 PM)
Allied planes have vanished from Kalemyo and Silchar. Looking to see if he has moved them elsewhere on the Indian border or is redeploying them.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/8/2014 6:55:42 PM)
June 11th 1943 Air Losses: 151 Japanese, 147 Allied, 26 Pilots Japanese occupy: Allies occupy: Japanese land at: Allies land at: Subs Quiet Solomons Bloodiest day of the war in the air for a long time as Liberators supported by P-38G, F4F-4, P-39D and F4U-1 hit Rabaul during the morning. By good fortune, the P-47D2 sweep comes in after the bombers. In the air it is a clear win but 67 planes (22 B6N2, 15 G4M1, 13 D4Y4, 11 Ki-44-IIc, 3 N1K1-J, 2 D4Y1, 1 Ki-46-III) are lost on the ground. Completely gutting the bomber force poised to strike at an Allied invasion. Flak downs 11 B-24D1. Air and Ops losses: 55 N1K1-J, 21 Ki-44-IIc for 43 F4F-4, 25 P-39D, 26 P-38G, 8 F4U-1, 2 P-47D, 32 B-24D1. Rabaul has 69 service and 88 runway damage. It is a level 9 field with about 200 engineer equivalents - how long to re-open it? In total he lost 43 B-24D1 on the day - I think that is about a month's worth. Most of his fighter losses are obsolete aircraft, probably flown by inexperienced pilots, being used as escorts. Still it all helps on the VP ratio. Burma Quiet Engineering Quiet Production Quiet Reinforcements Quiet

Lowpe -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/8/2014 7:27:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery Rabaul has 69 service and 88 runway damage. It is a level 9 field with about 200 engineer equivalents - how long to re-open it? Wow, I was contemplating making a snarky comment about no action and then this....watch out for an invasion somewhere... I have found to re-open damaged airfields you need dedicated construction engineers. The engineers in AF base or coy don't help much unless there are no planes there. Even then it is the construction engineers that fix runways. So the question is how many are construction engineers? The flak was so effective because it is shooting at damaged bombers, I think.

Spidery -> RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please (9/8/2014 8:04:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: Spidery Rabaul has 69 service and 88 runway damage. It is a level 9 field with about 200 engineer equivalents - how long to re-open it? Wow, I was contemplating making a snarky comment about no action and then this....watch out for an invasion somewhere... Or he could be planning to launch mass naval strikes to hit my ships. I've pulled the valuable ships back a bit and left just some AMc and PB there. I think I should have pulled back more, bet he sends the carriers forward... I've been expecting an invasion for a while, will be interesting to see where it comes. quote: I have found to re-open damaged airfields you need dedicated construction engineers. The engineers in AF base or coy don't help much unless there are no planes there. Even then it is the construction engineers that fix runways. So the question is how many are construction engineers? There are a couple of constructions battalions, some combat engineer units and the engineers in the divisions etc. so maybe 120 to 140 not in the AF units. quote: The flak was so effective because it is shooting at damaged bombers, I think. He came in at 3000 feet! I thought balloons were supposed to be more effective. It is a level 9 airfield with level 6 forts so there should be good balloon coverage. There were about 60 heavy AA so it seems a poor showing. I watched some of the replay and the N1K1-J didn't leave many damaged bombers but the Ki-44-IIc were just damaging more than half the time. Most of the defense was N1K1-J.

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