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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/20/2014 7:37:08 PM)

The Japanese Bomber Force:



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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/20/2014 8:00:18 PM)

And the fighters:



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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/20/2014 8:37:48 PM)

I just wanted to add that the production is pretty insane. But he has lost over 4000 planes so far.




Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 1:17:34 AM)

A shame to see good digital pilots die:

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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 12:22:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spidery



Realistic R&D is off so you can change these to research the A6M5.

Likewise, rather than discarding the huge investment in A6M2 factories you can push them through the Sen Buku to research the A6M8.

Realistic R&D off may give you other opportunities: working on the D5Y1, G4M3a, Ki-43-IV that are usually not that easy and can, maybe, push the Ki-44-IIc forward.


Okay, I understand all this advice except for the D5Y1 Myojo. What is so great about this plane. Later generation Judy is better, no?





Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 1:26:43 PM)

Relatively quiet turn. Air losses 14 Japanese, 11 American.

ASW improving. Day and Night search combined with junky pb hunter killer units got their first victim off Muntok near Palembang.

That is the sub's side penetrated.[:)] Got to love the shallows.

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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 1:35:28 PM)

Java is looking good. +200 AV in my Kali beach head thanks to better supply for replacements. Troops should make it all back giving me over 2000 AV with Armor. Supply and air defense good enough.

My lone MTB tangled with his PT boats and then he has sent in a lone minesweeper into the beach head. Hm...

Soerabaja looks so damn inviting. Please, just be there in 5-6 more days. Please. What else can I do make it more inviting?

His sig int must be going nuts as the Empire is in motion...

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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 1:44:53 PM)

Forgot to mention last turn I flew some Sallys (I have insane production of them) with lousy pilots into a cap trap in northern Java. He shot down more than I anticipated (18 ouch), but will hopefully make him more even more confident.









Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 1:56:59 PM)

R&D. You can see the full Betty factory. I will be making wholesale changes here now that there is better supply at the factories.

Getting a lot of Tojo size 30 factories, and also the Val 2 this turn if I decide to go for the Myojo. The r&d facilities will repair at no supply cost quickly since these planes are close to their date.

I have to be careful not to over do. The temptation is great.[:D]

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Encircled -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 3:12:57 PM)

Any sign of his carriers?




Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 3:13:39 PM)

My opponent is thinking of doing an AAR too, this one is making him a little nervous although I cleared it with him first. I encouraged him to do so, and sent him a sample post: the demise of the 4 Division.

In thinking about this, I doubt my opponent understands Japanese reinforcement or production. He probably thinks it is like the Allies with limited pools. Those 3 divisions are all at Singapore with around 150 AV and are rebuilding -- faster now that the supply is getting straightened out.

He replied by sending me this old report on the fighting at Merak. [:D]

Ground combat at Merak (48,97)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 39330 troops, 755 guns, 1631 vehicles, Assault Value = 1282

Defending force 27881 troops, 331 guns, 161 vehicles, Assault Value = 524

Allied adjusted assault: 501

Japanese adjusted defense: 219

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1312 casualties reported
Squads: 72 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 94 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 45 (34 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (4 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Allied ground losses:
436 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 83 (25 destroyed, 58 disabled)


Assaulting units:
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
Mobiele Eenheid Battalion
Afdeling Ritman
7th Australian Division
4th Aus Cav Brigade
7th Armoured Brigade
B Sqn 3rd Hussars Regiment
1st Regt Cavalerie
3rd Motor Brigade
6th Australian Division
16th British Brigade
21/22 Field Regiment
94th Coast AA Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment
7th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
Lijfwacht Cav Sqn
2/13th Field Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
1st Medium Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
6th Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
Yokosuka 5th SNLF
18th Division
38th Division
1st Division
8th Tank Rgt /1
97th JAAF AF Bn /7
51st Field AA Battalion
28th Engineer Regiment
31st Ind.AA Gun Co
21st Division
Sasebo 3rd SNLF /7

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
51st Field AA Battalion Wiped Out at Merak by attrition!!!

Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Merak
Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Merak by attrition!!!




Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 3:16:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Any sign of his carriers?



He had a baby carrier at the invasion of Tarawa. Other than that, no clue....other than what I can gleem from ship sinkings. He like to use them I am guessing from those sinkings.

Maybe he pulled back a little while he is getting my measure. I hope to give him an incorrect picture...for now.




Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 3:25:38 PM)

In all my games I have terrible luck with my Battleships which always seem to be magnets for torpedoes when I venture away for the shore bombardment role.

However, I understand ASW defenses a lot better now, and would like to use this girl in an outside the box manner. Any Ideas?

According to tracker she is a real pig when it comes to fuel using 31 per hex as opposed to the Nagato class at 19.

I have plenty of BBs in theater to cover the Chittacong invasion, the hammer and anvil attack in Java. So anything idea is fair game...





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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 4:56:08 PM)

Ok, I do have a possible clue on the carrier force:



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Encircled -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 5:32:23 PM)

Why would they be there?

The DEI is the key.

But if they are there, when can you attack in the DEI?

asap if at all possible




Lokasenna -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 5:54:36 PM)

Maybe he's worried about your KB? Who knows. It's not that late yet and he doesn't have that many - and what he has now has to last him until mid-43.


The Yamato... I like her for short range things, because as you say she uses 31 fuel per hex. She's a hog. But her guns are so large...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

R&D. You can see the full Betty factory. I will be making wholesale changes here now that there is better supply at the factories.

Getting a lot of Tojo size 30 factories, and also the Val 2 this turn if I decide to go for the Myojo. The r&d facilities will repair at no supply cost quickly since these planes are close to their date.

I have to be careful not to over do. The temptation is great.[:D]

[image]local://upfiles/44178/2FF17FD05F204B44B1C376A6F8684533.jpg[/image]


The bolded part... what? It should still cost 1k supply to repair them, no?




Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 6:05:55 PM)

My understanding is that R&D factories repair for free. Costs to expand them, but not repair them.




Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 6:16:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Why would they be there?

The DEI is the key.

But if they are there, when can you attack in the DEI?

asap if at all possible


I can attack in 3-5 days. The anvil needs to be in place & I have decided to augment the anvil substantially since there seems to be a complete lack of naval search west of Java. The subs will be in place in 1-2 days. The hammer is 1-2 days away from being in place.

Not having any fuel at Singers has slowed things down as some forces had to go to the fuel at Miri, Ternate, Palembang. Others had to drain the weaker aks at Singers. Ternate just has a ton of AV in it and I have no transports there yet to move them (well the largest air transport is there working hard -- no ships with troop capability). Soon.

The delay isn't bad, as it lets me recover morale, reduce fatigue, and get some AV into place. Plus repair damaged transport planes that have a role to play.

He is not attacking any of my damaged xakls in the area because he doesn't have search up....well, one caught three torpedoes over two days from a sub. Hard to evade at 5 knots. We rescued the Captain.[:'(]




Encircled -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 6:58:21 PM)

He's no search up?

Hmmm, this bloke reckons it might be a trap

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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 7:55:57 PM)

I don't think it is a trap, and I am taking precautions in case it is. [:)]




Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 8:57:51 PM)

Turn's away. Major moves, preparing, R&D, shipping moves.

The 70 odd rufe factory is now a fully formed A6M5 r&d factory, too bad it is so large. Lot of Tojo, some Betty, Judy, Oscar and Zero changes too.







obvert -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 9:21:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spidery



Realistic R&D is off so you can change these to research the A6M5.

Likewise, rather than discarding the huge investment in A6M2 factories you can push them through the Sen Buku to research the A6M8.

Realistic R&D off may give you other opportunities: working on the D5Y1, G4M3a, Ki-43-IV that are usually not that easy and can, maybe, push the Ki-44-IIc forward.


Okay, I understand all this advice except for the D5Y1 Myojo. What is so great about this plane. Later generation Judy is better, no?




If you want to use some kamis late converted from some of the training groups, those don't take the Judy, mostly. The Myoko works in most of them though and could be very useful, if not spectacular, with it's 800kg bomb. If you can build a pool for little cost because the factory is upgraded from the Val, it might be worthwhile. Depends on what you want to do and how long you think you'll last.




Lokasenna -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 9:41:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

My understanding is that R&D factories repair for free. Costs to expand them, but not repair them.


Hrm. I will check again, but I was pretty sure that they repaired just like all other factories - that is, 100 Supply to expand it by a point, and then 1000 Supply per point to repair plus the 10,000 Supply floor to begin repairs. This is born out by my experience that R&D factories won't repair unless you have 10k+ supply at a base. I can't imagine that this condition would exist if it didn't also cost 1000 Supply to repair a point per day, but it's almost impossible to isolate just the effects of R&D on supply usage.




Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/21/2014 10:01:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

If you want to use some kamis late converted from some of the training groups, those don't take the Judy, mostly. The Myoko works in most of them though and could be very useful, if not spectacular, with it's 800kg bomb. If you can build a pool for little cost because the factory is upgraded from the Val, it might be worthwhile. Depends on what you want to do and how long you think you'll last.


Thanks, that makes sense. I never have played that late...




Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/22/2014 12:08:45 PM)

Another quiet turn. Americans lost 10 planes to Japan's 8 -- that probably hasn't happened in a long time.

Lost a 4VP xak carrying precious fuel to a submarine, and a 1 vp PB in the Marshalls. Banged up another of his subs between Palembang and Singers...

Going to try and flip two or three turns today...cleared the minefields at Merak.

Heavy air raid on Manila, bombing starts up against the Chinese again. More of the same, r&d changes, logistics, deception, ships steaming all over -- nothing important sighted. He did better with naval search this turn around Java.



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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/22/2014 3:42:44 PM)

Revised Submarine usage starts to pay off. This is a 8000 capacity tanker on the bottom...

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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/22/2014 3:50:33 PM)

A deliberate attack on Manila. I need to figure out what is needed to take the city. And where I can get it.

Having most of the shipping at Singers at game resumption has really slowed me down.

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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/22/2014 3:52:28 PM)

The Hammer and Anvil is taking shape. I don't know if I can wait longer for the anvil to get fully into position....additional hammer forces will be land based air flying from the three main air bases...



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Lowpe -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/22/2014 6:01:59 PM)

I pulled the trigger on the hammer and anvil attack in Java. Not as strong as I would like -- but the chance to get loaded aps' is too great.

Elsewhere, my R&D is firming up. Converted to get some Val2 plants, a few more zero and oscar plants with production off to migrate to the next generation r&d factory when repaired to 30.





Lokasenna -> RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock (2/22/2014 6:40:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I pulled the trigger on the hammer and anvil attack in Java. Not as strong as I would like -- but the chance to get loaded aps' is too great.

Elsewhere, my R&D is firming up. Converted to get some Val2 plants, a few more zero and oscar plants with production off to migrate to the next generation r&d factory when repaired to 30.




Why the D3A2 Val? It's pretty much worse than the D3A1, no?




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