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obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 1:04:23 PM)
On a strategic note, it looks like I have Nick's attention is over here, which is good. I'll enjoy the possibility of feinting a Diego invasion for a while, see how the CVs react. I have a lot of subs in refit, so the next round will have to wait for a while. I like the CVs reacting quickly, and that it's not a full KB, although I can't bank on it not being everything until I make some noise in the Pacific and see what comes to sniff it out. The hardest part of losing East India and West OZ is the lack of sub bases close to the DEI and the IO. The S-boats barely make it to Diego from Bombay. I don't dare use Cochin too much for fear he'll para-drop it with some in the base. I can't believe it's still in Allied hands, and it at least provides a god search base for Cats. I am risking the group, but with 3 forts it might hold day one of a para-landing, so I'm taking the risk. On another note, I just found the plethora of small Canadian units! So nice to have some battalion sized units for small garrisons up north and possibly on Cent Pac islands. I've bought two that were only at about 2 AV and then turned the replacements on. Several more are not to expensive and will be bought soon. Then some independent regiments, then I might save up for a division. I also have to buy some engineers as the first to arrive are restricted! Odd.

HansBolter -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 1:22:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert On a strategic note, it looks like I have Nick's attention is over here, which is good. I'll enjoy the possibility of feinting a Diego invasion for a while, see how the CVs react. I have a lot of subs in refit, so the next round will have to wait for a while. I like the CVs reacting quickly, and that it's not a full KB, although I can't bank on it not being everything until I make some noise in the Pacific and see what comes to sniff it out. The hardest part of losing East India and West OZ is the lack of sub bases close to the DEI and the IO. The S-boats barely make it to Diego from Bombay. I don't dare use Cochin too much for fear he'll para-drop it with some in the base. I can't believe it's still in Allied hands, and it at least provides a god search base for Cats. I am risking the group, but with 3 forts it might hold day one of a para-landing, so I'm taking the risk. On another note, I just found the plethora of small Canadian units! So nice to have some battalion sized units for small garrisons up north and possibly on Cent Pac islands. I've bought two that were only at about 2 AV and then turned the replacements on. Several more are not to expensive and will be bought soon. Then some independent regiments, then I might save up for a division. I also have to buy some engineers as the first to arrive are restricted! Odd. Don't forget to buy back the one lost at Hong Kong....Rifles of Canada IIRC.

Lokasenna -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 1:29:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants We all have learned the the AI will retreat both ground and ships towards the closest base regardless of what our orders are. [8\|] Even the ground unit that has moved 44/46 will go totally across the hrx towards the base that is closest and cost the least to move through. Slightly OT - You will need to take off ALL British FP groups before you withdraw the ships. You are short of them everywhere throughout the war. I train them up in Recon skills for doing base bombardment runs. It didn't go to the closest actually, which is Cochin, then Bombay, Surat, then Socotra, then Dante ... . I t sent them to Karachi, which is I think 4 hexes closer than Mombasa from that position, but it's not the closest by a long way. If they'd been diverted to Socotra, the Exeter would be afloat now most likely, o at least he might have had to sprint for it over a bunch of S-boats the next day. Does 'absolute' danger setting change when a ship is hit and is put into an escort TF? I would think so, in which case it also should have not moved this way due to the air threat in the area. Good to know on the floatplanes. Also, on a related note, what about the CV groups for RN CVs? Can I keep those as well? If Japanese units will be resizing via their CVs, which I'm sure they will to some extent, it's only fair to use the Brit units this way if I'm able to do it. I'd resize the Martlets and Sea Hurris to 33-45 plane groups. I've already increased the Hurris to a 25 plane group, so I know the resizing works at least. I've looked at this, but in stock Scen 1/Scen 2, I'm a bit concerned about the British fighter pools. You don't get very many... I ended up resizing a Martlet unit to 33, but no others. So far...

mind_messing -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 1:36:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants We all have learned the the AI will retreat both ground and ships towards the closest base regardless of what our orders are. [8\|] Even the ground unit that has moved 44/46 will go totally across the hrx towards the base that is closest and cost the least to move through. Slightly OT - You will need to take off ALL British FP groups before you withdraw the ships. You are short of them everywhere throughout the war. I train them up in Recon skills for doing base bombardment runs. It didn't go to the closest actually, which is Cochin, then Bombay, Surat, then Socotra, then Dante ... . I t sent them to Karachi, which is I think 4 hexes closer than Mombasa from that position, but it's not the closest by a long way. If they'd been diverted to Socotra, the Exeter would be afloat now most likely, o at least he might have had to sprint for it over a bunch of S-boats the next day. Does 'absolute' danger setting change when a ship is hit and is put into an escort TF? I would think so, in which case it also should have not moved this way due to the air threat in the area. Good to know on the floatplanes. Also, on a related note, what about the CV groups for RN CVs? Can I keep those as well? If Japanese units will be resizing via their CVs, which I'm sure they will to some extent, it's only fair to use the Brit units this way if I'm able to do it. I'd resize the Martlets and Sea Hurris to 33-45 plane groups. I've already increased the Hurris to a 25 plane group, so I know the resizing works at least. I've looked at this, but in stock Scen 1/Scen 2, I'm a bit concerned about the British fighter pools. You don't get very many... I ended up resizing a Martlet unit to 33, but no others. So far... It may be worth it for the extra training slots alone. Seeing as the British use only a single pilot pool (unlike the Americans), should it not be possible to use the big resized carrier groups as the basis for a British fighter training program?

Lokasenna -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 1:55:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants We all have learned the the AI will retreat both ground and ships towards the closest base regardless of what our orders are. [8\|] Even the ground unit that has moved 44/46 will go totally across the hrx towards the base that is closest and cost the least to move through. Slightly OT - You will need to take off ALL British FP groups before you withdraw the ships. You are short of them everywhere throughout the war. I train them up in Recon skills for doing base bombardment runs. It didn't go to the closest actually, which is Cochin, then Bombay, Surat, then Socotra, then Dante ... . I t sent them to Karachi, which is I think 4 hexes closer than Mombasa from that position, but it's not the closest by a long way. If they'd been diverted to Socotra, the Exeter would be afloat now most likely, o at least he might have had to sprint for it over a bunch of S-boats the next day. Does 'absolute' danger setting change when a ship is hit and is put into an escort TF? I would think so, in which case it also should have not moved this way due to the air threat in the area. Good to know on the floatplanes. Also, on a related note, what about the CV groups for RN CVs? Can I keep those as well? If Japanese units will be resizing via their CVs, which I'm sure they will to some extent, it's only fair to use the Brit units this way if I'm able to do it. I'd resize the Martlets and Sea Hurris to 33-45 plane groups. I've already increased the Hurris to a 25 plane group, so I know the resizing works at least. I've looked at this, but in stock Scen 1/Scen 2, I'm a bit concerned about the British fighter pools. You don't get very many... I ended up resizing a Martlet unit to 33, but no others. So far... It may be worth it for the extra training slots alone. Seeing as the British use only a single pilot pool (unlike the Americans), should it not be possible to use the big resized carrier groups as the basis for a British fighter training program? It's possible....but I don't think it's necessary, because you get one British pilot pool rather than two (FAA/RAF). I have plenty of decently skilled Brits from the action in Burma.

ny59giants -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 2:27:15 PM)
I'm in late April 44 playing DBB 30 and wish I had dedicated training groups like I briefly had in my RA PBEM game vs BigBadWolf. I've added one for the British to come in at UK in newest version. I'm pretty OCD when it comes to training pilots for the Allies everywhere. A couple of bad days with my Spitfire VIIIs and I'm looking at down time for training. Hurricane IIc are just for local CAP. I've come to the conclusion that I'm only going to play with Allied training groups present. Hopefully, it will help out in late war when you can lose planes and pilots in large numbers over the course of a few days. I just got my first series of B-29s and their off in training before being used. The Americans should haven't this much trouble with decent pilots in mid-44, IMO.

rook749 -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 3:51:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants I'm in late April 44 playing DBB 30 and wish I had dedicated training groups like I briefly had in my RA PBEM game vs BigBadWolf. I've added one for the British to come in at UK in newest version. I'm pretty OCD when it comes to training pilots for the Allies everywhere. A couple of bad days with my Spitfire VIIIs and I'm looking at down time for training. Hurricane IIc are just for local CAP. I've come to the conclusion that I'm only going to play with Allied training groups present. Hopefully, it will help out in late war when you can lose planes and pilots in large numbers over the course of a few days. I just got my first series of B-29s and their off in training before being used. The Americans should haven't this much trouble with decent pilots in mid-44, IMO. Ny59giants, I think that noting the huge number of allied losses that you start take is something all Allied Players need to note ---- so few of us hit this point we don't really grasp its effect. You simply can't train enough allies USN, USMC, Brit Fighter and Bomber pilots - at least not well enough. You think you are fine and then hit mid 44 and between the massive expansion and loss the pools just drain away to nothing. BTW - What do you consider "trained"? For me for Fighters it 50+ Exp, 70 Air and 50+ Def. For Bombers its 50+ Exp - 70 Primary Skill (NavB/Gnd)- 50+ Def.

BBfanboy -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 4:13:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter quote: ORIGINAL: obvert On a strategic note, it looks like I have Nick's attention is over here, which is good. I'll enjoy the possibility of feinting a Diego invasion for a while, see how the CVs react. I have a lot of subs in refit, so the next round will have to wait for a while. I like the CVs reacting quickly, and that it's not a full KB, although I can't bank on it not being everything until I make some noise in the Pacific and see what comes to sniff it out. The hardest part of losing East India and West OZ is the lack of sub bases close to the DEI and the IO. The S-boats barely make it to Diego from Bombay. I don't dare use Cochin too much for fear he'll para-drop it with some in the base. I can't believe it's still in Allied hands, and it at least provides a god search base for Cats. I am risking the group, but with 3 forts it might hold day one of a para-landing, so I'm taking the risk. On another note, I just found the plethora of small Canadian units! So nice to have some battalion sized units for small garrisons up north and possibly on Cent Pac islands. I've bought two that were only at about 2 AV and then turned the replacements on. Several more are not to expensive and will be bought soon. Then some independent regiments, then I might save up for a division. I also have to buy some engineers as the first to arrive are restricted! Odd. Don't forget to buy back the one lost at Hong Kong....Rifles of Canada IIRC. Also the Winnipeg Rifles were at HK. AFAIK, there are no Canadian Divisions in the Pacific campaign. You can combine some units into a Brigade of approx. 150 AV.

ny59giants -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 4:28:27 PM)
quote: BTW - What do you consider "trained"? For me for Fighters it 50+ Exp, 70 Air and 50+ Def. For Bombers its 50+ Exp - 70 Primary Skill (NavB/Gnd)- 50+ Def. For their primary skill that will be 65 to 70, a secondary maybe from 55 and above. That will give you an Experience above 50 in most cases. In '44 and '45 you shouldn't be getting too many raw recruits for the USA. I've already sent PM to John x2 (Symon/JWE and 3rd) about this. I'm thinking the Americans (two each for Army, Navy, and Marines) and maybe one British (fighters) training group that starts at a relatively small size going through a series of re-sizing to increase the pool of relatively trained pilots flowing to the front. Since AE doesn't allow a nations pilot experience to change from year to year, this may help reflect the ability of the USA to produce better pilots in increasing numbers as the war wore on.

JocMeister -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 5:21:31 PM)
Bomber pilots were critically low for me from 44 and onward. In the end I was flying 40 EXP pilots. Doesn�t help that most of the B29 squadrons arrive with LOWNAV trained pilots... [8\|]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 7:41:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter Don't forget to buy back the one lost at Hong Kong....Rifles of Canada IIRC. Also the Winnipeg Rifles were at HK. AFAIK, there are no Canadian Divisions in the Pacific campaign. You can combine some units into a Brigade of approx. 150 AV. The two HK units are the ones I bought out as they were obviously gutted units. [:)]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/1/2014 10:54:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants quote: BTW - What do you consider "trained"? For me for Fighters it 50+ Exp, 70 Air and 50+ Def. For Bombers its 50+ Exp - 70 Primary Skill (NavB/Gnd)- 50+ Def. For their primary skill that will be 65 to 70, a secondary maybe from 55 and above. That will give you an Experience above 50 in most cases. In '44 and '45 you shouldn't be getting too many raw recruits for the USA. I've already sent PM to John x2 (Symon/JWE and 3rd) about this. I'm thinking the Americans (two each for Army, Navy, and Marines) and maybe one British (fighters) training group that starts at a relatively small size going through a series of re-sizing to increase the pool of relatively trained pilots flowing to the front. Since AE doesn't allow a nations pilot experience to change from year to year, this may help reflect the ability of the USA to produce better pilots in increasing numbers as the war wore on. I'm trying to go a bit higher. My theory is that with fewer airframes but better pilot safety with armor in all of them, it's better to have the slightly longer training to have pilots that are more likely to survive. There are a lot of restricted units still, and with PDU-off there are a bunch of groups I can't use much anyway. I'm not going to send the 313mph USAAF P-36 out there much if I can help it. So those units will be training for a long while. For bombers I'll be less stringent about multiple skills. There is a lot of down time for groups though (for now) and while this is happening they will be training.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 11:49:43 AM)
MAY 6-7, 1942 SUBS: The KXIV runs into a big SCTF between Addu and Colombo, and near it i the day's rollover are a reported 5 CL. This could be the damaged ships from the Deigo battle. About 6-7 subs are in the area and in spite of Lily ASW air from Colombo they attempted to get in position. On the 7th only the CV TF appeared, father to the SE, and one S-boat was hit by a 100kg bomb and had to return to Bombay. Operating under LBA is getting more dangerous, but luckily most of GJ's 4E are still be used in a ground bombing role in the PI, China, OZ and India. The Gudgeon got an xAKL with troops aboard off the Chinese coastline. Nice! INDIA: Recon is so nice! Confirmed 60 fighters and 21k troops at Hyderabad. This is inline now with SIGINT of the 55th division there. I'll move to other bases nearby now. I have to be very careful with these planes. No production until 9/42! [8\|] Pacific: Recon shows no units in Luganville, although an xAKL shows up hanging out there. Picket? Forces are moving from Sydney to occupy nearby bases and Efate. Recon will hit that base tomorrow. CHINA: Some movement is happening at Pingsiang. At least a unit is being pulled out. No indication that another is moving in from behind yet. This is the first movement in China in months. OZ: Both the 6th Aus Cav Brigade and the 3rd Motor Brigade are destroyed by continuous bombing while retreating from Carnarvon. I fully admit it was overly ambitious to try to defend this base as well as Geraldton this early. If somehow the Japanese were forced to land a week later in OZ, after the invasion bonus, things would have been very different, and I was too optimistic that they would not make it by this date considering the progress to that point. The silver lining is that whatever is in OZ into late 42 and into early 43 will be subject to being cut off. The holding of Perth has strategic advantages for Japan, but since I had not planned to invade through the DEI anyway, these are lessened. A move to retake the SW OZ area would of course indicate a move on the DEi would be imminent, and this deception is exactly what will make it easier to move elsewhere. There is never enough to cover everything as Japan, but the DEI can't be neglected, and so will be reinforced. I'd like it for those units and that fortification to count for naught in the end. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 6, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Addu at 19,52 Japanese Ships DD Hatsushima BB Nagato CL Tatsuta CL Tenryu CL Kiso CL Natori DD Nagatsuki DD Hatakaze DD Matsukaze DD Harukaze DD Kamikaze Allied Ships SS KXIV SS KXIV launches 2 torpedoes at DD Hatsushima DD Hatakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Pescadores at 85,62 Japanese Ships xAKL Hiyori Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage xAK Kinmo Maru xAK Kyokuzan Maru xAK Zinzan Maru xAK La Plata Maru xAK Gotake Maru xAKL Shinmei Maru xAKL Kennichi Maru xAKL Naruo Maru PB Nichinan Maru PB Minowa Maru Allied Ships SS Gudgeon Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled SS Gudgeon launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Hiyori Maru PB Nichinan Maru attacking submerged sub .... PB Minowa Maru fails to find sub and abandons search PB Nichinan Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reinforcements: I've decided to buy back all of these earlier lost infantry units, even though they'll likely never build back to their TOE. They will add engineers and support very quickly, which can be really useful in India currently, and with just a bit of AV they can also provide garrison duty, which I know I'll always struggle with here. I can always turn off replacements once the essential elements of support and engineers are added. These rebuilding units could also provide some deception if a base is bombed and this comes up in the reports. It could be confusing if the troop count is low but a division is present. 18th British Division arrives at Aden Getting slightly better. Once Luzon falls though the VPs will dip again, hopefully for the last time! [:)] [image]local://upfiles/37283/77BD4F4EEA924680BF86938EF26D4376.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 12:04:12 PM)
REPORTS SIGINT: It's time for a dedicated post on these reports. There is a lot of useful stuff here. This is new. It would be really poor timing for the KB to show down here. I do have the 32nd US division on the way, but it won't arrive for another 10-12 days, just passing the Hawaiian Islands now. If I get more reports of bigger units I'll hold off. If this is it for the next few days I'll move back the NZ brigade. 1/61st Naval Guard Unit is planning for an attack on Suva. Interesting. He's moving more to NW OZ? I don't get it, but maybe he is planning to hold this for a good amount of time. Seems like a waste of a division though. Whatever is here will eventually be lost. 5/26th Division is loaded on xAK Seizan Maru moving to Darwin. Are these troops leaving India? I assume 'is loaded' means is loading. Good news if it's true. 7/5th Guards Division is loaded on xAK Kumagawa Maru at Calcutta (52,37). 9/2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion is loaded on xAK Okiyu Maru at Calcutta (52,37). 4/2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion is loaded on xAK Taian Maru at Calcutta (52,37). A small unit up here moving to garrison. The effect of holding the Aleutians is he will have to move fast to garrison these bases. 6/Ichiki Det. is loaded on xAKL P-53 moving to Shimushiri-jima. 3/Ichiki Det. is loaded on a Miyati Cargo class xAKL moving to Shimushiri-jima. I forget, is this one of the SNLF that combine to form the very good CD units later? 4/Kure 2nd SNLF is loaded on a Daigen Cargo class xAKL moving to Cocos Islands. I've seen several reports on units planning for Wenchow. Still has supply and good morale, and this could cost the Japanese if they don't bring a LOT. I'm now going to send a sub-mining mission to get some in the port to give a surprise to any bombardments that arrive. 57th Infantry Brigade is planning for an attack on Wenchow. COASTWATCHER REPORTS: Recon should find out more about this tomorrow. I have troops leaving Sydney to invade but I've though this base was abandoned. Maybe not? Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Efate Just hanging out here. This base has no troops. Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 120,150 near Luganville , Speed 5 , Moving East No ships in Rabaul and a few hanging around, likely ASW. This seems to confirm not much focus on So Pac. Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 106,125 near Rabaul , Speed unknown Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 106,125 near Rabaul , Speed unknown Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 106,125 near Rabaul , Speed unknown Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 106,125 near Rabaul , Speed unknown Coastwatcher sighting: 1 Japanese ship at 106,125 near Rabaul , Speed unknown Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Rabaul is reported empty Really? I just bombed this recently and saw nothing, and no units either. Recon will check it out. Coastwatcher Report: 4 ships in port at Goa Most of these smaller ports have no CAP, so keeping ships here seems slightly reckless. I'll use the LR B-17D group to hit them if I do find that they are there. Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Mangalore Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Vizagapatnam Looks pretty wide open. Is it a trap? [image]local://upfiles/37283/7FA9EC32247F4A9FAAE966020DB0176A.jpg[/image]

Lokasenna -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 1:49:32 PM)
Yep, that's one of the Special Base Force SNLFs.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 3:37:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna Yep, that's one of the Special Base Force SNLFs. Thanks, I thought it was but I've already combined in my Japanese game and didn't want to do an extensive search. So, he is attaching a to of importance to Cocos to put that out there. I save it for the Marianas or something closer to home. The thought might be that Cocos will be hit earlier, thus it can be rebuilt and redeployed later. I was able to do that with the Wake guns previously. Cocos is great to have once the LR recon assets start arriving, but until then for me there is no need. Let him keep sending supply out there.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 5:02:47 PM)
OPERATION PALISADE This op is fairly basic. Getting a barrier of bases built in the South Pacific. It now seems possible as enough LCU and engineer units are coming in, and the training has produced a decent pool of pilots for the air groups. The bases marked with white will each get engineers and base forces. A few more important areas will receive LCUs and air HQs. Fiji will receive the 32nd US division and an air HQ if the current SIGINT doesn't mean an invasion before they arrive. The first waves will arrive within the next few days, but I'll leave the capturing of Efate and Luganville for 7-10 days to make sure the noise that creates doesn't attract too much attention before some critical units are in place. All of this is dependent on the KB staying far away. Sub patrols are moving in the Solomons, and one of the first investments will be a base force for Belep Island near Koumac to get a PBY group there. Small Aussie units of 10 AV will move into the New Hebrides to take Efate and Luganville and invest nearby bases. Engineers will be brought into bases already owned and an airfield or two will be built as quickly as possible, since Luganville is well within range of the Solomons, but, as of now no airbases have been built by the Japanese farther South than Gasmata and Port Moresby. There is some SIGINT noise at Tulagi but no major coast watcher reports. It could be the Japanese want the Allies to move in this area. As of now, that's fine. I'll take what is given. [:)] [image]local://upfiles/37283/17C09CB17519457A9E7321AA0771D362.jpg[/image]

Lokasenna -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 5:34:44 PM)
In my opinion, don't neglect Vanua Lava. It makes a nice adjunct base to Luganville, and even the Torres Islands can help out (especially if you bring the South Pacific HQ to Luganville for the naval support...regular USN BFs can fill the naval support at Noumea's Port 7).

JocMeister -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 5:40:07 PM)
Looks good. [:)] Start building Noumea up as soon as you feel its "secure". A nice 50 VP multiplier there. [:)]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 7:05:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna In my opinion, don't neglect Vanua Lava. It makes a nice adjunct base to Luganville, and even the Torres Islands can help out (especially if you bring the South Pacific HQ to Luganville for the naval support...regular USN BFs can fill the naval support at Noumea's Port 7). I'll definitely spread if the first step is taken and there isn't a massive resistance. I've got troops prepping for Ndeni as ell which seems to be also ungarrisoned. Anything in Allied hands I'll move a unit onto once this first stage is finished just to make sure nothing sneaks in and disrupts the process.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 7:08:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Looks good. [:)] Start building Noumea up as soon as you feel its "secure". A nice 50 VP multiplier there. [:)] It took me a while to realize it's only a 35k SL for Noumea. Once I saw that I got the units ready to go and prepared the whole lot to invest within about two weeks. With a division there it would be tough to try to take Noumea if it can build up a bit and after the invasion bonus. If I see anything coming a bunch of Marine Defense battalions will head to the New Caledonia ports as well. I'll be building Noumea to the max quickly and moving up to do the same up the chain.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/2/2014 11:00:15 PM)
Here's a question: Of course to get replacement devices for troop units it costs the equivalent of load in supply. I had always thought repairing of disabled squads also had a supply cost. I realized I didn't know what that cost was exactly, so I searched and found a ton of good, old threads. one had a quote from a dev (BigJ62) saying repairing disabled squads cost no supply! Was I off base completely, and is this still true? No supply cost to replace disabled devices? http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2289042

Lokasenna -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/3/2014 4:14:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Here's a question: Of course to get replacement devices for troop units it costs the equivalent of load in supply. I had always thought replacements also had a supply cost. I realized I didn't know what that cost was exactly, so I searched and found a ton of good, old threads. one had a quote from a dev (BigJ62) saying replacements cost no supply! Was I off base completely, and is this still true? No supply cost to replace disabled devices? http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2289042 There's a difference between disabled and destroyed...

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/3/2014 7:23:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Here's a question: Of course to get replacement devices for troop units it costs the equivalent of load in supply. I had always thought repairing disabled devices also had a supply cost. I realized I didn't know what that cost was exactly, so I searched and found a ton of good, old threads. one had a quote from a dev (BigJ62) saying repairing disabled devices cost no supply! Was I off base completely, and is this still true? No supply cost to replace disabled devices? http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2289042 There's a difference between disabled and destroyed... I'm just talking about disabled squads, and the quote from BigJ62 mentions disabled squads costing nothing to replace. It also states that replacements cost equal to the device load, (which is destroyed or never present devices). quote: ORIGINAL: BigJ62 Cost nothing to repair a disabled squad, the cost for replacements is equal to its load cost. All I'm interested in is making sure that there is no cost for repairing a disabled squad. I thought there was, but according to this post, which seems definitive, there is not. Just looking for confirmation. EDITED: Late when writing and I originally misused the term replacements meaning disabled squads. Doh! Probaby where Lokasenna's response came from in its brevity. [;)]

pharmy -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/3/2014 8:20:40 AM)
I wouldn't put any stock in coastwatcher report, allied or Japanese. Just a quick check of the my vs AI Allied operations report shows zero ships in Rabaul when there is 2 a dd escorted 8 tk convoy there, along with 30 other dispersed ships. Luganville has over 40 warships - 6 are sighted none named. Only correct guess out of 8 ports is an AV at Tulagi, but one is also reported to be at Kavieng. And its reported to be the AV Arabia Maru, which is not in the Sopac theater at all. Checking back through the operation files, the ones where speed and direction are noted, those seem semi-accurate.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/3/2014 9:50:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: icepharmy I wouldn't put any stock in coastwatcher report, allied or Japanese. Just a quick check of the my vs AI Allied operations report shows zero ships in Rabaul when there is 2 a dd escorted 8 tk convoy there, along with 30 other dispersed ships. Luganville has over 40 warships - 6 are sighted none named. Only correct guess out of 8 ports is an AV at Tulagi, but one is also reported to be at Kavieng. And its reported to be the AV Arabia Maru, which is not in the Sopac theater at all. Checking back through the operation files, the ones where speed and direction are noted, those seem semi-accurate. Good to know. Too bad this is the case though as coast watcher reports in reality were exceedingly accurate, some down to exact ship numbers and types. I've just been reading The Coastwatchers by Eric A. Feldt who was commander of the operation through the beginning of the war. Really amazing what they did and went through to do it. A great read and tribute to those men and the native people who for the most part helped them. (Most of the natives anyway where they weren't swung by Japanese intimidation or propaganda). Some of the reports have been confirmed by air search for ships out of port, so maybe those are more likely to be accurate as you say.

ny59giants -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/3/2014 11:15:49 AM)
Stacking Limits on Pacific bases - I have multiple sheets of paper with bases I'm invading or reinforcing to avoid overstacking. It looks like this.... Noumea: AF x(y) P x(y) SL - 35k Americal ID - xyz AV (Assault Value) Load Cost (troops/cargo) SL xy Location (so I can find out where they are to get transports there) BF... (write down Aviation Support vs AV) Art... SeaBees... Tank... You will eventually need an assistant just to run your naval operations dept and logistical efforts. Running the Japanese economy with Tracker is easier than late war Allies, IMO. [X(]

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/3/2014 12:01:39 PM)
MAY 8-9, 1942 SUBS: A few missed attacks. One by an S-boat on the small coastal tankers being used by Japan to go to Sakhalin. INDIA: Recon makes me happy! Really happy! [:)] Lucknow has 160 fighters and 12k Japanese troops. Scanning over some of the other nearby bases now, but this is the only one with a field above level 1. None of the bases along the West coast appear to have Japanese forces. His 'defense' here is definitely not comprehensive, and so I must now ask why? My answer would be that it's simply a holding forward position to slightly stall and get more economic benefit from the operation. With Calcutta a wrecked shell and without big fuel dumps captured (most of it was pooling in Bombay) there is less here than he'd likely planned on. He's gotten a few months of extra HI and supply generation from a few bases like Madras and Jamshedpur, and oil/fuel from Ledo now for a month, but if we can move forward starting around June 10 (by which time troops will be in position more or less) the duration of this benefit can be reduced to a small blip in the course of the game. He'll likely break even at least, and the extra oil will be really useful, but if the stalling defense costs in supply and in a material sense in troops, guns, planes and ships, maybe I can bring the equation back into the red for the Japanese. We'll see! [;)] Pacific: Operation Palisade starts off well. The base force lands at Belep Islands. A small Aussie Cat unit moves in which can search up to around Tulagi. Noumea forces are a day out. Several days more for units to arrive at Tanna. About 7 days before either of the actual 'invasions' at unoccupied Efate and Luganville. One regiment is on it's way to Noumea, the other two will begin loading tomorrow. More base forces, engineers and AA arrive at Suva in 3 days. No more SIGINT regarding Fiji. The 32nd division is nearing Christmas Island. CHINA: I've decided to experiment with turning the units at Pinsiang to reserve mode. They've been bleeding supply from bombardments and this should theoretically mean they don't fire back or change back to combat. It would also mean a DA would throw them into Move mode for defense, which is not ideal, but neither is being low in supply, which is the case now. Worth a try. PI: Luzon is now being invested seriously by the extra Japanese troops that have been shown in SIGINT moving here. Nine units have moved into Manila in addition to the 900AV that has been in Clark for months. At least 5-8 more are still moving in as well. I'll move tanks to Manila, but it still has three forts and could be tough, or at least provide some resistance still. About 200 bombers a day pound these bases though. Lots of supply out the window! SIGINT: I have to watch my P's and Q's here. It's not too far for a sprint for a fast SCTF from Tulagi to Koumac, Luganville or Efate. Radio transmissions detected at Tulagi (114,137). He is building some defenses at Colombo, and there is a lot of activity to and from Trincomalee. I would imagine Nick would think this would be the likely spot to hit first, to outflank the Japanese in India and bring the Bay of Bengal into contention. In this case I'd like to threaten Diego, toy with the idea of invasion of Ceylon, but really plan on getting a solid move forward on the subcontinent before risking naval forces. It's too early even in late summer to get to frisky with well-defended amphibious invasions close to other major Japanese bases. 15th Ind Engineer Regiment is located at Colombo(29,48). [image]local://upfiles/37283/F89763C4B6194C56A3E75D615FA3A9C6.jpg[/image] Here is a shot of the troops moving now to the NE from the central Changsha/Pingsiang area. Wonder where they're going? Wenchow? Also I just noticed Pakhow is collecting oil? Why? No refinery there. Annoying.

obvert -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/3/2014 12:07:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Stacking Limits on Pacific bases - I have multiple sheets of paper with bases I'm invading or reinforcing to avoid overstacking. It looks like this.... Noumea: AF x(y) P x(y) SL - 35k Americal ID - xyz AV (Assault Value) Load Cost (troops/cargo) SL xy Location (so I can find out where they are to get transports there) BF... (write down Aviation Support vs AV) Art... SeaBees... Tank... You will eventually need an assistant just to run your naval operations dept and logistical efforts. Running the Japanese economy with Tracker is easier than late war Allies, IMO. [X(] I've always thought this!! I'm not too ordered about notes and plans and things. I'll have to do some of it, but actually writing the AAR is part of the planning. I can make a map and list things here and that is a good reference for me too. Prep is one of the ways I've been organizing forces. Just assigning things once I know I want to go somewhere and letting them prep, even if they're support units, just to get a sense of where it's all headed. I will have to sit down and make some lists soon once I need to make actual contested invasions in late 42. I don't want to be sitting around with a conquered base and not enough follow-up troops to make it work.

pharmy -> RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J) (7/3/2014 1:07:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: icepharmy I wouldn't put any stock in coastwatcher report, allied or Japanese. Just a quick check of the my vs AI Allied operations report shows zero ships in Rabaul when there is 2 a dd escorted 8 tk convoy there, along with 30 other dispersed ships. Luganville has over 40 warships - 6 are sighted none named. Only correct guess out of 8 ports is an AV at Tulagi, but one is also reported to be at Kavieng. And its reported to be the AV Arabia Maru, which is not in the Sopac theater at all. Checking back through the operation files, the ones where speed and direction are noted, those seem semi-accurate. Good to know. Too bad this is the case though as coast watcher reports in reality were exceedingly accurate, some down to exact ship numbers and types. I've just been reading The Coastwatchers by Eric A. Feldt who was commander of the operation through the beginning of the war. Really amazing what they did and went through to do it. A great read and tribute to those men and the native people who for the most part helped them. (Most of the natives anyway where they weren't swung by Japanese intimidation or propaganda). Some of the reports have been confirmed by air search for ships out of port, so maybe those are more likely to be accurate as you say. Actually sorry, you are right - I only checked the first instance, but you get two reports per day and the non-empty one is usually the correct one - example below. I guess evening and day phase. And the sightings are pretty accurate. In my example below the night phase Rabaul report is more accurate. Port Moresby has around 15 ships, none are sighted though in the past ten turns that they have been there. For JFBs - Wenchow is always empty but says 0-4 ships, and you always disregard it only to find a damaged sub when you invade. Coastwatcher Report: AV Arabia Maru reported in port at Tulagi Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Milne Bay is reported empty Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Port Moresby is reported empty Coastwatcher Report: 7 ships reported in port at Rabaul Coastwatcher Report: AV Arabia Maru reported in port at Kavieng Coastwatcher sighting: 10 Japanese ships at 120,150 near Luganville , Speed unknown Coastwatcher sighting: 2 Japanese ships at 120,150 near Luganville , Speed unknown Coastwatcher sighting: 4 Japanese ships at 106,125 near Rabaul , Speed unknown Coastwatcher sighting: 10 Japanese ships at 120,150 near Luganville , Speed unknown Task Force 257 slows down to allow following TF 79 to catch up ML No. 194 followed by E13A1 Jake at 35,40 near Madras Coastwatcher Report: AV Arabia Maru reported in port at Tulagi Coastwatcher Report: AV Arabia Maru reported in port at Milne Bay Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Port Moresby is reported empty Coastwatcher Report: harbor at Rabaul is reported empty Coastwatcher Report: CMc Ma 1 reported in port at Kavieng Coastwatcher sighting: 13 Japanese ships at 119,151 near Lakatoro , Speed 0 , Moving Southwest

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