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witpqs -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 6:31:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Sorry guys, I don´t understand! [&:] "Denial is more than just a river in Egypt." [:D] We are not trying to make sense!

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 6:39:10 AM)
Ah, even though my English is reasonable some expressions and phrases elude me. [:)]

BBfanboy -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 6:54:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Sorry guys, I don´t understand! [&:] Confirmation bias - the tendency to only remember things that confirm what you want to believe and forget the things that contradict your preferred view of reality. Denial - the psychological defence mechanism in which the person refuses to believe evidence that would force him/her to change their belief in what is really happening. e.g. refusing to believe a loved one has died because to accept the truth would be too painful.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 6:56:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Sorry guys, I don´t understand! [&:] Confirmation bias - the tendency to only remember things that confirm what you want to believe and forget the things that contradict your preferred view of reality. Oh, so THAT must be why China has vanished from my map?! Its just a black hole there now...very odd! [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 7:44:56 AM)
10th of May -42 ______________________________________________________________________________ Turns have slowed down a lot from the earlier ferocious pace. I think Tom is either busy with one of his other games or he is paying a lot more attention now. I hope its the first option. [:D] ------------------------ China ------------------------ Oddly enough Tom has stopped at Kienko. For now he seems to be happy with bombarding and causing 500-1000 casualties per turn.... [:(] Still can´t get any troops with 0 supply to dig forts. [&:] I´m going to leave behind whatever is not useful at Chungking. So many of the shattered units will be left here to be destroyed. I don´t need useless mouths to feed in the mountains. ------------------------ NOPAC ------------------------ Making the first cautious steps here. It will be small scale. But I will step up the effort here eventually though as I don´t intend to give this away to Tom. Some Canadian units together with US Engineers will start building up Umnak. A US RGT will arrive in NOPAC soon as well. ------------------------ OZ/SOPAC ------------------------ Well, my surprise worked as intended. Sadly the price wasn´t much. I had hoped to catch that big 10 ship TF loaded with troops... quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Brisbane at 96,160, Range 12,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAK Shinryu Maru, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Tsukikawa Maru, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PB Nichinan Maru, Shell hits 11, and is sunk xAP Haruna Maru, Shell hits 5, heavy fires Allied Ships CA Louisville CA Pensacola CA Australia CA Canberra DD Stuart DD Norman DD Paladin DD Panther quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Brisbane at 96,160, Range 7,000 Yards Japanese Ships DMS W-1, Shell hits 10, and is sunk DMS W-4, Shell hits 10, and is sunk Allied Ships CA Louisville CA Pensacola CA Australia CA Canberra DD Stuart DD Norman DD Paladin DD Panther The surviving Haruna Maru is later picked off by a US sub. quote: Sub attack near Fraser Island at 98,156 Japanese Ships xAP Haruna Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships SS Sculpin SS Sculpin launches 4 torpedoes I would be very surprised if she made it although no sinking sounds were heard. Now its time to get the hell out of dodge. I´ll hide the CAs somewhere West of Tasmania. I have a hunch Tom is going to sortie the KB. I have some small xAKL TFs that may be in danger if he does. But it can´t be helped. Had to take the opportunity. ------------------------ Something Something ------------------------ Looks like Tom is pulling out of Brisbane. With everything or just a portion? Have to decide if I should give chase if he does abandon. Probably not as its a very long coast and a long way back to Sydney/Melbourne. ------------------------ CENTPAC ------------------------ Fleet movement is agonizing slow as we are escorting some very slow merchants (12 knots) carrying precious fuel. I will detach the fleet in a couple of days. ------------------------ Burma ------------------------ Tom has reached Northern Burma with the 5th ID were he is about to evict allied troops in Myitkvina. We have exchanged some sweeps where Tom has lost a few Oscars. [image]local://upfiles/32406/53A8A2E6F3A64554863CD0654E6B7664.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 8:10:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Sorry guys, I don´t understand! [&:] Confirmation bias - the tendency to only remember things that confirm what you want to believe and forget the things that contradict your preferred view of reality. Oh, so THAT must be why China has vanished from my map?! Its just a black hole there now...very odd! [:D] Ha! [:D] We all have this in 42 as Allies. And don't worry Jocke, I'm a native speaker with a Bachelors degree in English and still had to look up 'confirmation bias.' Good term. I'm going to be using it too! [;)]

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 9:45:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Ha! [:D] We all have this in 42 as Allies. And don't worry Jocke, I'm a native speaker with a Bachelors degree in English and still had to look up 'confirmation bias.' Good term. I'm going to be using it too! [;)] Yeah, but its pretty depressing seeing all your small VP progress outside China just being chewed up but the enormous losses suffered there. Right now I´m suffering around 5000 casualties per turn to bombardments alone. [:(] Good to hear my English isn´t that behind then! [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 10:17:16 AM)
11th of May -42 ______________________________________________________________________________ Not much to report. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Looks like I will be able to get most of the southern troops out before Tom cuts them off. He now have armor in in plains which means its game over here. Even if I had supply there is no chance to stop armor in clear hexes. ------------------------ OZ/SOPAC ------------------------ It might not be the best time but I decided to let about 50% of the subs do their 4/42 upgrade. I hope the radar will help get more attacks in. Its simply not happening right now. Tom spots my CA TF withdrawing towards Tasmania. I had thought to hide them there for now but I think I will pull them back to Perth until things calm down. I have no doubt the KB is already on its way. I have 6 10 knots xAKL that will probably not get away. Sucks because they carry a little fuel I wanted to NZ. [image]local://upfiles/32406/16AD270F854041BAB3C983BA32818D7D.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 11:12:16 AM)
Selective reporting is what Japan pretty much reported to their people during the war. Sometimes it was very creative reporting.[:)] Be careful, I never consider Perth a safe Port in 1942. Of course, you know that, too. Just keep chipping away at the victory points. I really do sense the tide turning...not that there won't be some unpleasant surprises.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 1:35:58 PM)
13th of May -42 ______________________________________________________________________________ Ouff, Just going to do a short update and then forget about this turn. KB sneaks into the Tasman sea as expected. What I didn´t expect was a TF that have been sitting in OZ for 2 months (waiting for fuel) suddenly had decided to go to Sydney all of the sudden. [&:] Went back a couple of saves and the TF indeed has Sydney set as homeport. Not sure how its possible as I use "homeport" as destination and the TF came from the WC. Anyhow this TF has been moving for Sydney for a couple of days and just rounded NZ and straight into the KB. It did react away from the KB due West which gives them zero chance to escape tomorrow. Only consolation is that it is completely empty as well as having no fuel to get anywhere. But its going to cost me 20 Merchants, 4 APD and BB Oklahoma and BB Pennsylvania. [:(] I can´t afford mistakes like this. Stupid, stupid stupid. [:(]

BBfanboy -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 1:45:28 PM)
Re: the tanks in China - some players have airlifted in British and American A/T units - the ones with smaller A/T guns. You might also be able to airlift light AA units. Problem is supplying them.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 1:57:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy Re: the tanks in China - some players have airlifted in British and American A/T units - the ones with smaller A/T guns. You might also be able to airlift light AA units. Problem is supplying them. Yeah, I think without supply its pretty meaningless to try and airlift any AT in. I wouldn´t have time to move them into Chunking anyway.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 2:12:45 PM)
Something Something ______________________________________________________________________________ Tom is definitively not giving up on Brisbane. In fact he seems to be reinforcing. Can I turn this into a Japanese Stalingrad or will this backfire badly for me...Normally I would feel quite comfortable but Tom has put a serious dent into my confidence and the debacle in the Tasman Sea isn´t helping with that... What do you guys think? quote: Ground combat at Brisbane (96,160) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 3105 troops, 298 guns, 250 vehicles, Assault Value = 1733 Defending force 43491 troops, 336 guns, 155 vehicles, Assault Value = 1046 Japanese ground losses: 117 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 6th Australian Division 2/11th Armoured Car Regiment 25th Infantry Division Americal Infantry Division 2/8th Armoured Regiment 34th Cmbt Engineer Regiment 2/7th Armoured Regiment 7th Australian Division 148th Field Artillery Battalion 98th Coast AA Regiment 1st Medium Regiment 147th Field Artillery Battalion II Australian 2/11th Field Regiment 2nd Medium Regiment 210th Coast AA Regiment 259th Coastal Artillery Battalion 131st Field Artillery Battalion 21/22 Field Regiment 2/1st Med Regiment 2/16th Field Regiment 197th Coast AA Regiment 260th Field Artillery Battalion 96th Coast AA Regiment 2nd Australian Army 2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion 109th Anti Tank Regiment 2nd Australian Hvy AA Regiment 35th Light AA Regiment Defending units: 38th/A Division Guards Mixed Brigade 38th/B Division 23rd Tank Regiment 21st Division 38th/C Division 21st Air Flotilla 24th Special Base Force 36th Const Co 31st Fld AA Gun Co 44th Field AA Battalion 37th Const Co 22nd Special Base Force 48th JAAF AF Bn 30th Fld AA Gun Co 16th AA Regiment 144th JAAF AF Bn I used only two Artillery units to "testfire" the opposition. By the damage it looks like I caught some units in move mode. Several more units appeared on the rail to the North. They could possibly be have been bumped from STRAT MODE when my troops entered Brisbane. Its a clear hex and I´m not sure Tom has spent supply building forts. But he is sending reinforcements to the area. This "missing" 16th ID is on ships moving for Rabaul. Tomorrow I ordered every single unit to bombard...

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 3:15:47 PM)
As long as you don't get kicked out of the base yourself, I think you can hurt him here. It's close enough to Sydney that you can establish search to see any incoming relief ships, which will require him to keep KB posted nearby to assist with any withdrawal effort. Can you close the hex sides? You'll likely need to keep a couple of sentinel units to prevent him from reopening the sides from the N or NW and allowing him to escape, but... close the hex sides, sit in the hex, bombard and bomb like crazy, and eventually he'll have no supply except what comes in by ship. Mine the port, camp there with subs (especially S-boats and Dutch boats)...you can attempt night time bombardment runs if you can establish LRCAP over them on the way back to safety, etc. Using Recon planes on Brisbane will put high DLs on any TFs there also. Can you use PT boats to harass him as well? If you do catch him loading, instead of unloading supply, you can try attacks... I would get even more forces there, especially one or both of the US Army combat engineer units. I'd also be careful of attacking until the devices in your units are Aussie '42 and USA '42 squads...that's quite some time, in some cases. The IJA 38th Division and 21st Division are good units, IIRC, and he probably has good forts with the stuff that's there.

offenseman -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 3:36:51 PM)
Agree w/Lokasenna, I'd go for a Stalingrad. You have a lot of decent armor there compared to his armor. Going to be hard to kick you out because of those. If available set up some fast SCTFs to raid and bombard. Be as annoying as you can be. If you annoy him enough you might be able to force a CV battle with your air cover searching. Try to get those assets in position to do exactly that.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 4:40:39 PM)
Thanks guys. Sadly I think he will have control over both the seas and the skies. So I think its pretty much out of the question to isolate and starve them out. If I do anything I think it will have to be by force. And I think I need to do it pretty soon before he can reinforce. Judging by SIGINT he is pouring units into OZ. He is landing them further up North well out of reach for me. I did the first preliminary bombardment last turn. Weirdest thing I have seen. quote: Ground combat at Brisbane (96,160) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 56906 troops, 1072 guns, 839 vehicles, Assault Value = 1733 Defending force 43394 troops, 336 guns, 155 vehicles, Assault Value = 1033 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4 [X(] Allied adjusted assault: 72 Japanese adjusted defense: 886 Allied assault odds: 1 to 12 (fort level 4) Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 137 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled) Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled) Allied ground losses: 218 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled) Vehicles lost 43 (4 destroyed, 39 disabled) Assaulting units: 2/7th Armoured Regiment 2/11th Armoured Car Regiment Americal Infantry Division 2/8th Armoured Regiment 25th Infantry Division 6th Australian Division 34th Cmbt Engineer Regiment 7th Australian Division 2nd Australian Army 2/11th Field Regiment 148th Field Artillery Battalion 131st Field Artillery Battalion 109th Anti Tank Regiment 96th Coast AA Regiment 2nd Australian Hvy AA Regiment 2/1st Med Regiment 21/22 Field Regiment 259th Coastal Artillery Battalion II Australian 147th Field Artillery Battalion 2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion 98th Coast AA Regiment 197th Coast AA Regiment 2/16th Field Regiment 260th Field Artillery Battalion 1st Medium Regiment 2nd Medium Regiment 210th Coast AA Regiment 35th Light AA Regiment Defending units: 21st Division 23rd Tank Regiment Guards Mixed Brigade 38th Division 16th AA Regiment 22nd Special Base Force 21st Air Flotilla 30th Fld AA Gun Co 24th Special Base Force 31st Fld AA Gun Co 44th Field AA Battalion 37th Const Co 48th JAAF AF Bn 36th Const Co 144th JAAF AF Bn Very odd as I´m 100% certain I set all of them to bombard. Looking at the turn file no unit seems to have taken part in any attack. No clue what happened. Set them all to bombard again.

offenseman -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 4:54:39 PM)
I do not want to second guess you because you are more clear on the situation but with a result like that, I'd attack again. And then check fatigue and attack. Rinse and repeat. When he runs out of forts you will roll him back. He has little armor. BTW Guards Mixed Brigade is a buy-out as it starts in General Defense Army. In case you are keeping track... [;)]

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 5:24:36 PM)
Yep, knew he'd have big forts there. Still, you got a GREAT attack there considering you had 1:12 odds. I wouldn't have attacked, but it worked out amazingly for you. It's a shame you can't keep damage on the airfield... He must have little in the way of AT guns. Can you get more of the Aussie armoured units upgraded and sent in? A point about him controlling the skies/seas - sure, fine. So you can't prevent an evacuation (I'd wager that you could at least contest it...), but if you force him to evacuate you are forcing him to act on your terms and not on his. Even if you don't destroy everything at Brisbane and it gets away, it's still a huge victory. He made a mistake by not protecting his flank, IMO.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 6:31:38 PM)
Something Something ______________________________________________________________________________ Something must have been really odd with that attack. Here is the next one. A more normal one. quote: Ground combat at Brisbane (96,160) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 53736 troops, 1062 guns, 676 vehicles, Assault Value = 1645 Defending force 45006 troops, 506 guns, 243 vehicles, Assault Value = 1031 Japanese ground losses: 47 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 31 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled) I think I will have to come to terms with the fact that this is not going to work. I´ll give it a couple of days more but its not looking good. The fact that its a clear is also a disadvantage. I had forgotten CD guns doesn´t protect against bombardments. quote: Night Naval bombardment of Brisbane at 96,160 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships CA Ashigara CA Nachi CA Haguro CA Myoko DD Tokitsukaze DD Amatsukaze DD Shiranui DD Isokaze Allied ground losses: 646 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 56 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 32 (3 destroyed, 29 disabled) Vehicles lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled) quote: Night Naval bombardment of Brisbane at 96,160 Japanese Ships CL Jintsu CL Naka CL Sendai DD Asashio DD Arashi DD Nowaki DD Hamakaze Allied ground losses: 210 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled The 6th OZ take the brunt of the losses and DIS is up to 76 after one night. Tom can now replenish at Brisbane and then go again each night. I´m going to do a test sweep tomorrow and check if there is any hope at all to win the air space over Brisbane. If I can do that these bombardments will be more problematic. I think I will have to come to turns with the fact that this isn´t going to work...

offenseman -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 6:47:17 PM)
If he sets up a pattern of bombarding every night you know exactly where to find the enemy. Send a strong SCTF to meet it. Anything available that is close?

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 7:05:53 PM)
I wouldn't give up just yet. You had a minor setback - when your units hadn't had a chance to build any organic forts yet. Send in some PTs?

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 7:10:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: offenseman If he sets up a pattern of bombarding every night you know exactly where to find the enemy. Send a strong SCTF to meet it. Anything available that is close? Sadly no. With the KB based at Noumea I had evacuated everything but the CA TF used in the previous attack. They are safe hidden behind Tasmania but with the KB roaming the Tasman Sea and 200 Nells/Betties jumping between Brisbane and Noumea it would be almost impossible to get something into the area. The full fleet is on its way but I don´t think taking on the full KB + LBA is a wise choice right now. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 8:03:57 PM)
16th of May -42 ______________________________________________________________________________ Horrible, horrible day on the ground. ------------------------ China ------------------------ About 40.000 casualties suffered in various battles. Mostly on the Chunking plains as armor and bombers wreck havoc. ------------------------ PI ------------------------ Another 17.000 casualties here as the last stronghold on Mindanao surrenders. Another ID free for Tom to send elsewhere. ------------------------ Something Something ------------------------ I have no choice but to pull out. Crap. [:(] quote: Night Naval bombardment of Brisbane at 96,160 Japanese Ships CA Ashigara CA Nachi CA Haguro CA Myoko DD Tokitsukaze DD Amatsukaze DD Shiranui DD Isokaze Allied ground losses: 258 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled quote: Night Naval bombardment of Brisbane at 96,160 Japanese Ships CL Jintsu CL Naka CL Sendai DD Asashio DD Arashi DD Nowaki DD Hamakaze Allied ground losses: 268 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled quote: Naval bombardment of Brisbane at 96,160 Japanese Ships BB Hyuga BB Ise BB Fuso Allied ground losses: 880 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 33 disabled Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 59 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 24 (1 destroyed, 23 disabled) Vehicles lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled) quote: Naval bombardment of Brisbane at 96,160 Japanese Ships BB Haruna BB Kongo CA Kinugasa CA Aoba Allied ground losses: 661 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 42 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Vehicles lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled) In the air we do a little better coming up just shy of getting a 1-1 over Brisbane. But I blow through almost a month worth of replacements doing so. 12 Pilots KIA, 10 WIA and 2 MIA. Its a shame it didn´t work. But I realize now that even if I could have captured Brisbane holding it would have been impossible unless I can control the sea. At least the units gained some EXP.... ------------------------ VP Score ------------------------ With the loss of the two old BBs and the massive losses of LCUs Tom nets over 1000 VPs over the last 6 days. And I have barely seen the beginning of the carnage in China yet. I just can´t see how I could avoid AV. I think Tom has about 12-15k more VPs to collect in China. Add to that probably 2-3k more VPs in OZ from the STRAT bombing and he will land somewhere around 40k VPs. That would mean I would have to get at minimum 3500 AVs in just 6,5 months. I just can´t see where I would get them from. Admittedly today has been a very bad day for morale and I hope it feels a little better tomorrow. [image]local://upfiles/32406/7ADA364461674BB3BEFFAA243C9A5409.jpg[/image]

witpqs -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 8:26:24 PM)
This is combined arms beyond the ground units - in this case guns from the sea. They are big, they are on steady gun platforms, and when they find the range (and with troops not yet dug in) they are effective. You just have to find ways to live with it until you are the one dishing out the punishment. [:(]

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 8:55:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister With the loss of the two old BBs and the massive losses of LCUs Tom nets over 1000 VPs over the last 6 days. And I have barely seen the beginning of the carnage in China yet. I just can´t see how I could avoid AV. I think Tom has about 12-15k more VPs to collect in China. Add to that probably 2-3k more VPs in OZ from the STRAT bombing and he will land somewhere around 40k VPs. That would mean I would have to get at minimum 3500 AVs in just 6,5 months. I just can´t see where I would get them from. Admittedly today has been a very bad day for morale and I hope it feels a little better tomorrow. On really bad days or weeks in my games I have sometimes just looked around the map and counted how many Really Big troop bags my opponent had left. One thing with losing the PI is you only lose it once and it's over. Same with Singers. Same with Soerbaja. You still have China to lose and you will. But other than that are there any more disasters coming? If there are can you consolidate? I also offer Standard Shoulder Pat #27 by pointing out the immense amount of fuel he's burning.

offenseman -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 9:02:48 PM)
Fuel- not just hollow words. He is burning a LOT of fuel. He must be running a lot of TK convoys to Rabaul, Truk, or Noumea (others perhaps) to supply them. Maybe you can find a few and determine his routing.

ny59giants -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/18/2014 10:23:25 PM)
I didn't get a chance to comment, but you have already seen the results from his naval bombardment attacks. Your troops cannot win with that happening on a regular basis. After your 4/42 upgrades, lots and lots of subs need to operate off Brisbane up to Horn Island and over to Noumea. Maybe you can get lucky and damage a few of his CAs or larger.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/19/2014 6:58:01 AM)
Wasn´t I supposed to feel more optimistic today? [:D] Strangely enough no turn from Tom. So I spent a lot of time going through the map trying to find 3500 VPs somewhere. I just can´t find it. I would need Rangoon AND Noumea or somehow stop Tom in China. I´ve pretty much already maxed out the VPs I can from expanding current bases in India/WC/Canada. -I´m not going to be able to do anything about China. Supply is now in the red even in Southern China where troops have been static since the beginning of the war. Among the rest of the troops any LCU outside Chunking have 0 supply. There is a little inside Chungking (800 odd supply) now but I´m reluctant on leaving troops there as I´m afraid it will be just giving away VPs. -Rangoon might not be impossible. But it would take me 3-4 months to move out all the troops needed from SOPAC and pretty much leave SOPAC/OZ to its fate. -Noumea will be impossible as long as most of the IJN is parked there. That unless I can sink it which I´m not even going to try and do. I´m also in that kind of odd seat where I know we will play on even if Tom achieves AV. So I don´t want to do anything to break myself like trying to land at Noumea right under KB. Or go for the Marianas...that "Hail Mary". If it wasn´t for that AV I would just sit and consolidate my position while expanding in NOPAC and CENTPAC. But there are no VPs to be had there. Perhaps a few in CENTPAC from the small units he left here and there. For example I know is coming for Pago Pago and the rest of the Samoans. He has the 16th ID prepping for Pago Pago proper the 48th for Upolo. This is nowhere near enough to take the bases. Normally I would just wait and let him come. But now I feel I don´t have the time to sit and wait for an invasion that might not even come...but then again it doesn´t make sense not to... Right now I feel I need to stop looking at the VPs, do what I think is best. That puts me in a moral dilemma. If I´m not playing 100% to avoid AV I have changed the playing field without letting Tom know I have done so. Even if my ambition is to make a 100% effort to avoid AV I have in my heart already given up on it and this effect my play weather I want it to or not. This leaves Tom in an disadvantageous position where he is playing to maximize VPs but perhaps putting him in a exposed and overextended position. Any thought on this?

Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/19/2014 7:56:10 AM)
You know how I feel about VPs and auto-vic. I think you should talk to him. He has spoken about this topic a little in his AAR, maybe a month ago or a little more. But me, I think you're either playing the game or you're on a journey. If you lose the game is there waiting to be played again, maybe better next time, or a different variant. I may lose to Loka, but I learned a lot and there are mistakes I wouldn't make again. Not with so many untried. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/19/2014 8:15:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58 You know how I feel about VPs and auto-vic. I think you should talk to him. He has spoken about this topic a little in his AAR, maybe a month ago or a little more. But me, I think you're either playing the game or you're on a journey. If you lose the game is there waiting to be played again, maybe better next time, or a different variant. I may lose to Loka, but I learned a lot and there are mistakes I wouldn't make again. Not with so many untried. [:)] When I talked to him about it sometime ago he said that if we stopped playing at(if) AV we were just wasting time. Don´t want to bail out on him because I believe AV is unavoidable. Moral dilemma to say the least. I guess the only easy solution is to try and force myself to continue playing to avoid AV and hope you guys slap me on the fingers if I don´t.

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