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JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 1:04:39 PM)
15th June ______________________________________________________________________________ Not the best of turns... -214 VPs. ------------------------ China ------------------------ 15k Chinese losses today as Japanese forces blast through in Southern China. He has only 2 IDs attacking Changsha but its more then enough as Chinese AV get cut to about 1/10th. ------------------------ Burma ------------------------ I set concentrated sweep to hit Katha. Something went wrong and no LRCAP showed up nor did the 5 other sweeps. The one squadrons that went in almost get annihilated. Only 4 planes and 6 pilots make it back. [:(] quote: Morning Air attack on Katha , at 61,43 Weather in hex: Extreme overcast Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 35,900 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 22 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 38 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 38 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb Trop x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb Trop: 6 destroyed ------------------------ SOPAC ------------------------ Tom catches up with a small TF carrying a infantry battalion. My mistake as I never suspected he would turn south. I took a chance and paid for. At least the RGT can now be reformed on Savaii. quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Niue at 147,170, Range 9,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Myoko CA Haguro DD Yukikaze DD Hayashio DD Maikaze DD Isokaze DD Shiranui DD Amatsukaze Allied Ships PC Zeeman, Shell hits 1, and is sunk xAK Puerto Rican, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk xAK Ludington, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 925 casualties reported Squads: 27 destroyed, 23 disabled Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 22 disabled Engineers: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled The entire IJN turns SW out of the combat zone. [X(] Allied fleet will rendezvous and reorganize. I will have to scale down operations here as I cant supply enough fuel. I´ll send all 4 BBs and most of the old CLs back to PH. The CVs will upgrade as many Devastators as possible and wait for Wasp to join the fleet. Indomitable will head towards the WC and be withdrawn. Looks like the whole operation was just a feint to try and entice me into battle. If I hadn´t been lucky it could have worked... [image]local://upfiles/32406/82A99CE3C2DF40C7A27AACEEB5EB2819.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 1:12:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe [sm=happy0065.gif] Keep the turns rolling -- this is great fun! Tell that to my stomach. I think I´m getting an ulcer! [:D]

Lowpe -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 1:27:34 PM)
I think you should leave those battleships in port...they really only give Japan more victory points.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 1:28:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe I think you should leave those battleships in port...they really only give Japan more victory points. Yeah, they have been escorting troop convoys between PH and SOPAC.

Lowpe -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 1:33:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe I think you should leave those battleships in port...they really only give Japan more victory points. Yeah, they have been escorting troop convoys between PH and SOPAC. Are they supposed to be magnets for sub attacks on your convoy? Or protection versus surface raiders?

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 1:52:29 PM)
Protection against surface raiders. Still havn´t found those AMC that escaped to the south of San Diego. Don´t want to waste valuable CA/CLs for protection.

obvert -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 1:54:47 PM)
He may just be recovering from the strike, getting planes repaired, ships fueled, and seeing what your next move would be (which if you'd made one with surface forces would have hit empty sea and allowed a nice distant strike). He could still be coming. My money would be that he will. [:)]

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 2:38:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert He may just be recovering from the strike, getting planes repaired, ships fueled, and seeing what your next move would be (which if you'd made one with surface forces would have hit empty sea and allowed a nice distant strike). He could still be coming. My money would be that he will. [:)] I think so too. He's probably standing off a day to wait for damaged planes to repair, or maybe just to bring the fatigue numbers down on the operable ones. It's too bad you were so far from Suva - until I saw the map, I was going to suggest that you go under its fighter umbrella. And it's too bad that you don't have enough LBA in the area to really contest his CAP, in terms of bombers to harass him. Where are your B-17s? By this point, you should have dozens of them around. Even if they don't hit anything, they'll still distract KB's CAP like crazy, and maybe even shoot some of those aces down. Also... SPREAD YOUR DAMN SUBS OUT!

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 3:01:00 PM)
Just got the turn back. He pulled back even further and is now west of the Tongas. Still no landing anywhere. I had a CAP 125 plane CAP up over Pago Pago but he can place his Sweeps above my CAP and he simply wrecked the P40s. They are still recovering MRL and taking on replacements. B17s are nightbombing the Brisbane AF each night. I have 60 or so operating out of Sydney. Pools is empty so I can´t upgrade any of the 2 plane Bolo squadrons. Should get some spares when 10 or so 2-3 plane squadrons withdraws in 4 days. About the subs it was me being lazy. [:'(] When he made the sprint towards the east I figured he would hang around there. So I simply pressed "Return to Pago Pago" and figured I would spread them out once they got closer.

Lowpe -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 3:01:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Protection against surface raiders. Still havn´t found those AMC that escaped to the south of San Diego. Don´t want to waste valuable CA/CLs for protection. I agree with that. I had forgotten about them... I also agree with using them for submarine magnets instead of xaks carrying planes etc. But that is about it unless you have fast BB that can hang with the carriers. In surface combat groups they take just way too many destroyers to shield from Japanese torpedoes I think, are at a disadvantage at night, and are far more valuable in 43.

Lokasenna -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 3:31:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Protection against surface raiders. Still havn´t found those AMC that escaped to the south of San Diego. Don´t want to waste valuable CA/CLs for protection. I agree with that. I had forgotten about them... I also agree with using them for submarine magnets instead of xaks carrying planes etc. But that is about it unless you have fast BB that can hang with the carriers. In surface combat groups they take just way too many destroyers to shield from Japanese torpedoes I think, are at a disadvantage at night, and are far more valuable in 43. Using them as sub magnets instead of xAKs with troops/planes on board is all well and good...until you lose a 170-180 VP BB instead of a 10 VP xAK with 12-24 VPs of stuff on board. I know it's rough in the early days and don't disagree with this usage, especially since he's roaming with AMCs, but I think it's risky when we're talking about subs. Usually one torp hit will put an old BB in the yards for months, as well as slow it down...and then you're looking at a higher chance of more torp hits to put her under. In a few months you'll start getting YMS and SC though... they do wonders for convoy escort, in terms of subs. RE: your subs - ah, OK then. Still, even if you just spread them out like a net or a web, you'll at least get intel on where he's at without your Cats getting shot down by KB CAP (run them too, obviously, but it takes some pressure off).

Lowpe -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 3:40:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna Using them as sub magnets instead of xAKs with troops/planes on board is all well and good...until you lose a 170-180 VP BB instead of a 10 VP xAK with 12-24 VPs of stuff on board. I know it's rough in the early days and don't disagree with this usage, especially since he's roaming with AMCs, but I think it's risky when we're talking about subs. Usually one torp hit will put an old BB in the yards for months, as well as slow it down...and then you're looking at a higher chance of more torp hits to put her under. Should have qualified I have only done that against the AI no pbem....it is pretty darn safe. Ironman Nasty though they stay in port as there are lots of wandering Japanese predators with torpedo bombers hunting convoys -- there the convoys go out in massive multi-taskforce groups with full CV cover.

Sangeli -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 4:43:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Protection against surface raiders. Still havn´t found those AMC that escaped to the south of San Diego. Don´t want to waste valuable CA/CLs for protection. Well this is exactly the role the D' class cruiser and other British CLs were designed. They are too slow/old/weak for engaging other cruisers but can handle AMC's no problem. They don't have float planes though which makes them vulnerable to sub attack. That being said, they are worth as much as a decent size tanker in terms of VPs so even if they take a torp and sink you're not really going to feel it in VPs or lost combat potential.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 6:23:07 PM)
17th June ______________________________________________________________________________ I hate China. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Without taking more then a small scratch Tom attacks across the rivers into the mountains. quote: Ground combat at 72,42 (near Chengtu) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 15113 troops, 220 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 516 Defending force 48309 troops, 276 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1368 Japanese adjusted assault: 470 Allied adjusted defense: 592 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 1512 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 139 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled Allied ground losses: 483 casualties reported Squads: 20 destroyed, 16 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled) Assaulting units: 17th Division 5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 29th Chinese Corps 56th Chinese Corps 58th Chinese Corps 73rd Chinese Corps 33rd Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps 6th Chinese Base Force 1st Artillery Regiment 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment 11th Chinese Base Force 57th AT Gun Regiment 12th Chinese Base Force Since the crossing he has started bombarding causing 100-300 casualties each turn. This "last stand" in the mountains will be short lived. No supply anywhere. In the south we are making at least semblance of a stand as some units still have supply left. But its all gone after 2-3 Japanese attacks and the units quickly crumble. ------------------------ Burma ------------------------ Hmm, looks like Tom realized his precarious position in Burma. quote: 6/56th Division is loaded on xAP Argentina Maru moving to Singapore. quote: 1/4th Division is loaded on xAP Huso Maru moving to Singapore. I should still be able to threaten Rangoon despite the two extra IDs. We will see... ------------------------ SOPAC ------------------------ On the 16th we dud on the Kaga again... [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] quote: Sub attack near Tongatapu at 138,167 Japanese Ships CV Kaga BB Yamato BB Nagato DD Kazegumo DD Ushio DD Akebono DD Oboro Allied Ships SS Plunger SS Plunger launches 4 torpedoes at CV Kaga Looks like Tom is refueling his armada on the 16th. Then what? [image]local://upfiles/32406/FBFEC81DEA2A4DAFB958C2FD7AAE76D0.jpg[/image]

Sangeli -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/25/2014 7:12:58 PM)
I think I see Tom's plan. He's going to occupy some of the Tonga Islands. They are far enough away from Suva and Pago Pago to make it difficult to suppress base construction with air power. On the other hand, those bases will give Japan really good intel on convoys going around Suva with float planes which really is going to put strain on your OZ convoys. Definitely a better plan than going for Pago Pago or Suva directly which as we all have figured out would be a Japanese disaster. He may still have plans to take Suva or Pago Pago but it looks like he's going to try to isolate them first. If this is what the Japanese have in mind it's going to be critical to establish your own bases in the Tonga Island when the KB has to return for fuel or ammo. The Tonga Islands could prove defendable to Japan for some time but not if you are able to occupy a base like Vava'a which is close enough for fighter support. Otherwise you're going to be forced to counter invade without LBA support (except long range P-38's) which could prove more challenging.

Richard III -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 1:00:41 AM)
Joc says: "Looks like Tom is refueling his armada on the 16th. Then what? " Maybe watch him run out of fuel in early 1943 because your fleet subs are sitting on the choke points to the HI and his whole fleet is aimlessly tooling around the SOPAC in mid 1942 ??

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 2:50:36 AM)
Did he manage to recon any of your bases during that massive foray? Cheers, CC

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 5:20:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sangeli I think I see Tom's plan. He's going to occupy some of the Tonga Islands. They are far enough away from Suva and Pago Pago to make it difficult to suppress base construction with air power. On the other hand, those bases will give Japan really good intel on convoys going around Suva with float planes which really is going to put strain on your OZ convoys. Definitely a better plan than going for Pago Pago or Suva directly which as we all have figured out would be a Japanese disaster. He may still have plans to take Suva or Pago Pago but it looks like he's going to try to isolate them first. If this is what the Japanese have in mind it's going to be critical to establish your own bases in the Tonga Island when the KB has to return for fuel or ammo. The Tonga Islands could prove defendable to Japan for some time but not if you are able to occupy a base like Vava'a which is close enough for fighter support. Otherwise you're going to be forced to counter invade without LBA support (except long range P-38's) which could prove more challenging. Yeah, that could be the plan. Got the next turn back but still no landing though! quote: ORIGINAL: Commander Cody Did he manage to recon any of your bases during that massive foray? Cheers, CC He did recon Suva, Nadi and Kanadavu. Nothing in the Samoans.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 5:26:03 AM)
I hate this game sometimes. I have had what? 6-8 sub attacks against Jap CVs. 4 hits and 4 duds. Last turn... quote: Sub attack near Kandavu Island at 131,162 Japanese Ships CV Kaga BB Yamato BB Mutsu BB Kongo DD Makigumo DD Ushio DD Oboro Allied Ships SS Silversides SS Silversides launches 6 torpedoes at CV Kaga Then of course Tom stumbles across my CVs in the middle of nowhere. Why am I not even surprised? [sm=sad-1361.gif] quote: Sub attack near Enderbury Island at 159,146 Japanese Ships SS I-16 Allied Ships CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2 CA Chicago CA Chester CLAA Van Heemskerck DD Anderson DD O'Brien DD Russell DD Mustin So now Sara will be gone for 6-8 months. [image]local://upfiles/32406/B219978096894511AC75B4BCAC515790.jpg[/image]

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 5:34:25 AM)
Ouchie! EDIT: I have to admit as to being very curious as to the point of that major incursion into SOPAC. It does seem he is making an all out effort at auto-vic, though, since that kind of activity can't be kind to his long-term fuel situation. Cheers, CC

Sangeli -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 6:48:25 AM)
Looking back I realize that no transport ships were actually ever spotted in those fleets...I don't think there was ever an invasion force here. Just an attempted raid and a bad way to waste fuel.

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 7:19:41 AM)
Ouff, just found out my grandmother was rushed to hospital during the night after a big heart attacks. She is recovering after emergency surgery but she is 91 years old so its not looking good. Going to try and head to the hospital. Got the turn off to Tom but not sure when I´ll be able to send the next.

witpqs -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 7:21:45 AM)
Best of luck for her! [:(]

MrBlizzard -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 7:28:35 AM)
Ouch, this is a very luck hit for Tom... Be careful with Sara, with these levels of flooding and system damage it's in danger of sinking. I would disband it to the nearest island to repair the system damage with an AR before returning to drydocks

Sangeli -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 7:43:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBlizzard Ouch, this is a very luck hit for Tom... Be careful with Sara, with these levels of flooding and system damage it's in danger of sinking. I would disband it to the nearest island to repair the system damage with an AR before returning to drydocks From the screenshot you can tell its headed to Christmas Island. I would probably opt for Canton which is relatively safe right now and closer. Bring the AR there if you have to do so.

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 8:35:53 AM)
I hope your grandmother recovers well.[:(] Cheers, CC

JocMeister -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 11:13:31 AM)
Well, looks like my grandmother might pull through. Wasn´t allowed to see her but my mother was allowed a short visit. They warned us though that things can turn for the worse very quickly due to her age. Fingers crossed. Sara sunk like a rock. So bloody annoyed right now I can´t even do the turn. I dud 4 times on Kaga and 2 times on Hiryu in just 2 weeks. Then a lone Japanese sub run into my CVs in the middle of nowhere despite 40+ DDs and a couple of 100 search planes manage to put 2 TTs into her. And to add injury to insults she just sinks the following turn. Effing BS.

Lowpe -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 12:20:46 PM)
Best wishes for a speedy recovery for your Grandmother.

paullus99 -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 12:21:21 PM)
I can feel your pain Joc - most of these new scenarios (with a couple of exceptions) are nothing more than JFB wet dreams that give the Allies little to no ability to do anything on the map, other than take body blow after body blow for the first two years (or more)....and if the game goes into the third and fourth year, the Allies still have almost none of the overwhelming material advantages that they had historically, in relation to what the Japanese are able to field. I don't understand how people can still played Allied at this point, unless they are masochists.

Cribtop -> RE: Japanese land in OZ!! (8/26/2014 12:52:46 PM)
Bummer on both counts, Joc.

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