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JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/12/2014 4:36:07 PM)
December 17th - 41 ______________________________________________________________________________ A small success in China giving me a small breather. Very little action elsewhere ------------------------ Malaya ------------------------ Just a small sweep over Singers by 14 Oscars. ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ Small KB is now East of Mindanao. Big KB has disappeared somewhere along the Norther OZ coast. Possibly heading towards PM/Rabaul. Trying to get search assets in place in 2-3 turns. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Japanese bombers are focus on HK which should fall in the next attack. I hope I can get a screen up because its so messy its hard to explain with just text. My small roadblock on the Eastern flank of Sian manages to stall the Japanese. Very surprising and happy news. I hope this will buy me time to get more troops into place. quote: Ground combat at 88,41 (near Kaoping) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 29327 troops, 263 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 865 Defending force 15775 troops, 129 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 398 Japanese adjusted assault: 385 Allied adjusted defense: 514 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 [X(] Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1021 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 110 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Allied ground losses: 376 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 99 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled Assaulting units: 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 41st Division 37th Division 5th Armored Car Co 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 34th Chinese Corps 33rd Chinese Corps 61st Chinese Corps 7th Group Army I´ll try to get a screen up of the situation in China. EDIT: Yey for screen! [&o] [image]local://upfiles/32406/338B27DC885F461E86841CC67E9B43F4.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/13/2014 4:38:58 PM)
December 19th - 41 ______________________________________________________________________________ Again a slow turn without too much happening. ------------------------ Malaya ------------------------ Bombers hit Singers again. I did manage to get some heavy AA into the city which is taking its toll on the attackers. But with only 400AV in the city it won´t change the outcome one bit. ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ There are no more allied ships in the whole of DEI. [:(] With the Big KB spotted again south of Java we had no choice but to abandon our position at Cocos or risk another stinging defeat. He will come here soon I´m sure. Forts are building and pilots training. ------------------------ Philippines ------------------------ Tom has started to bomb the troops at Clark. But apparently fearing flak he keeps them up high at 15k which means no allied losses. The Allied force has already left the PI for Java and China. For the moment I feel pretty secure here. He will need to bring in more or slowly starve me out. Small KB disappeared east of the PI. Probably merging with the even smaller KB that came down from the HI. ------------------------ Intel ------------------------ Not getting much good but last turn I found something interesting. quote: 1/33rd Division is loaded on a Japanese xAP moving to Truk So he is not going to totally neglect SOPAC and/or CENTPAC. Also got a fix on the Imperial Guards at Singora. Wonder why he has them sitting there? ------------------------ Allied reinforcements ------------------------ Most of the troops are heading towards OZ/SOPAC right now. I´m using EXTREMELY cautious routes. It will take a couple of weeks longer but I figure I got the time for it. At least right now. 3 Fighter Squadrons, 2 DB and a full BG has left for India. Also sent two CAT squadrons there. I want eyes on the IO. ------------------------ Japanese sub hoard ------------------------ Half is on its way toward the WC and the other half is sitting around Christmas. Tom is using them in a wolfpack fashion which actually helps me right now. I can easily just divert any concentration of subs. At least so far. Having all the CATs unharmed from PH is really proving useful. Once my ASW gets better I can start hitting him back. [image]local://upfiles/32406/89AA24EBB9294F2DB9983CDFCE0451B6.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/13/2014 6:44:21 PM)
Don't those SB III's drop hand grenades? [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/13/2014 7:50:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Don't those SB III's drop hand grenades? [:D] Pretty much yes! (6x100kg) [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/14/2014 4:27:03 AM)
December 19th - 41 ______________________________________________________________________________ Again a slow turn without too much happening. ------------------------ Malaya ------------------------ Bombers hit Singers again. I did manage to get some heavy AA into the city which is taking its toll on the attackers. But with only 400AV in the city it won´t change the outcome one bit. ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ There are no more allied ships in the whole of DEI. [:(] With the Big KB spotted again south of Java we had no choice but to abandon our position at Cocos or risk another stinging defeat. He will come here soon I´m sure. Forts are building and pilots training. ------------------------ Philippines ------------------------ Tom has started to bomb the troops at Clark. But apparently fearing flak he keeps them up high at 15k which means no allied losses. The Allied force has already left the PI for Java and China. For the moment I feel pretty secure here. He will need to bring in more or slowly starve me out. Small KB disappeared east of the PI. Probably merging with the even smaller KB that came down from the HI. ------------------------ Intel ------------------------ Not getting much good but last turn I found something interesting. quote: 1/33rd Division is loaded on a Japanese xAP moving to Truk So he is not going to totally neglect SOPAC and/or CENTPAC. Also got a fix on the Imperial Guards at Singora. Wonder why he has them sitting there? ------------------------ Allied reinforcements ------------------------ Most of the troops are heading towards OZ/SOPAC right now. I´m using EXTREMELY cautious routes. It will take a couple of weeks longer but I figure I got the time for it. At least right now. 3 Fighter Squadrons, 2 DB and a full BG has left for India. Also sent two CAT squadrons there. I want eyes on the IO. ------------------------ Japanese sub hoard ------------------------ Half is on its way toward the WC and the other half is sitting around Christmas. Tom is using them in a wolfpack fashion which actually helps me right now. I can easily just divert any concentration of subs. At least so far. Having all the CATs unharmed from PH is really proving useful. Once my ASW gets better I can start hitting him back. [image]local://upfiles/32406/89AA24EBB9294F2DB9983CDFCE0451B6.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/14/2014 4:27:39 AM)
Big KB ______________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/32406/E304869349D049149B8CB4A99A7A88AD.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/14/2014 11:11:15 AM)
He will go for Cocos quickly and hit it hard. Against a quality opponent, it doesn't make sense try to send anything there. Lots of players know that it can hurt a Japanese player if left alone too long. Reminder - spend some PPs and ensure that you buy out the two big Dutch BFs (100 Aviation Support). Fly a fragment out of each to India and Australia for rebuilding. You are always short of Aviation Support and these two are worth the price.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/14/2014 11:16:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants He will go for Cocos quickly and hit it hard. Against a quality opponent, it doesn't make sense try to send anything there. Lots of players know that it can hurt a Japanese player if left alone too long. Reminder - spend some PPs and ensure that you buy out the two big Dutch BFs (100 Aviation Support). Fly a fragment out of each to India and Australia for rebuilding. You are always short of Aviation Support and these two are worth the price. Thanks for the reminder! Had forgotten those! [&o]

ny59giants -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/14/2014 11:35:35 AM)
Those two Dutch BFs are the only two MUST evac of their LCUs. Place the fragment at a base (Bombay and Sydney) with a Command HQ so they pull in replacements daily (vs once every three days) to speed up the rebuilding process once their parent is destroyed on Java.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/14/2014 5:02:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants He will go for Cocos quickly and hit it hard. Against a quality opponent, it doesn't make sense try to send anything there. Lots of players know that it can hurt a Japanese player if left alone too long. Reminder - spend some PPs and ensure that you buy out the two big Dutch BFs (100 Aviation Support). Fly a fragment out of each to India and Australia for rebuilding. You are always short of Aviation Support and these two are worth the price. Just went through the map and I can´t find them? [&:]

offenseman -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/14/2014 5:06:33 PM)
DBB cut AS down by half or so. If you are looking for 100 AS units, you might find them as 50 AS units. Maybe... have not seen Alloed side of DBB

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/14/2014 5:13:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: offenseman DBB cut AS down by half or so. If you are looking for 100 AS units, you might find them as 50 AS units. Maybe... have not seen Alloed side of DBB Thanks! Seems like in DBB they arn´t even "buyable". Its the BF units in Batavia and Soerebaja it seems? Not only are they permanently restricted but they also have the garrison attribute.

Lowpe -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/14/2014 6:55:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Thanks! Seems like in DBB they arn´t even "buyable". Its the BF units in Batavia and Soerebaja it seems? Not only are they permanently restricted but they also have the garrison attribute. Makes sense to me. I always thought buying them out was cheesey. Tough luck for you, however.[:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/15/2014 5:40:43 PM)
Got the turn back pretty late from Tom. So no time for an update tonight. Nothing spectacular to report anyway! [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/17/2014 4:26:24 PM)
December 20th and 21st -41 ______________________________________________________________________________ Had to work 4 hours overtime last night so I didn´t have time to finish the turn nor do an update. The 20th was pretty uneventful while the 21st had some dire news. ------------------------ Malaya ------------------------ Small sweeps over Singers but nothing more. ------------------------ Philippines ------------------------ The bombardments at Clark continue causing minor damage to the allies. I actually had some Arty arrive at Bataan which headed straight for Clark. Forts at 2. Tom is flanking Clark with a small force. But nothing to threaten Manila. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Most of the action is here. Toms armor continue to wreck havoc among my troops for zero own losses. But on the 21st we get some small success. quote: Ground combat at 85,46 (near Nanyang) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 504 troops, 0 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 43 Defending force 10038 troops, 85 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 246 Japanese adjusted assault: 25 Allied adjusted defense: 150 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 6 Combat modifiers Defender: morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: Vehicles lost 27 (3 destroyed, 24 disabled) Allied ground losses: 126 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 13th Tank Regiment 9th Armored Car Co Defending units: 55th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps[/size] Probably just motorized support. But still it feels good to finally do something against the Japanese Tiger tanks(?) The happy day is short live as disaster hits us east of Sian. quote: Ground combat at 88,41 (near Kaoping) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 28208 troops, 263 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 740 Defending force 15188 troops, 128 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 323 Japanese adjusted assault: 667 Allied adjusted defense: 328 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 347 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 56 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Allied ground losses: 6512 casualties reported Squads: 258 destroyed, 15 disabled Non Combat: 191 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 12 destroyed, 3 disabled Guns lost 25 (21 destroyed, 4 disabled) Units retreated 4 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 41st Division 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 37th Division 5th Armored Car Co 1st Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 33rd Chinese Corps 34th Chinese Corps 61st Chinese Corps 7th Group Army This is a major disaster. I already have troops moving in to strengthen the flank (see screen). But this is the last reserve. If he breaks through quickly Sian and the entire Chinese Eastern front will collapse. I need to stall him for at least 2 weeks to get more troops into Sian. I don´t have a good feeling about it... The Chinese liberate Itchang but it has no strategic or tactical value at this point. quote: Ground combat at Ichang (83,48) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 35067 troops, 145 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 992 Defending force 3196 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 125 Allied adjusted assault: 1456 Japanese adjusted defense: 64 Allied assault odds: 22 to 1 (fort level 3) Allied forces CAPTURE Ichang !!! Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: morale(-) Japanese ground losses: 844 casualties reported Squads: 30 destroyed, 54 disabled Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 11 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 7 (4 destroyed, 3 disabled) Units retreated 1 Allied ground losses: 165 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 68th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps Defending units: 13th RGC Temp. Division [image]local://upfiles/32406/B10152C752644E8B9194511191D0B863.jpg[/image]

EHansen -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/17/2014 6:23:38 PM)
I believe that the hex you have highlighted is only a X2 terrain hex.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/17/2014 6:26:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EHansen I believe that the hex you have highlighted is only a X2 terrain hex. You are right. [:)] But they are leaving the x2 hex and will enter the x3 (WR) next turn.

EHansen -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/18/2014 1:39:09 AM)
I did misunderstand you post.

obvert -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/18/2014 8:48:44 AM)
Ultimately, as I found out, I don't think that road to Sian can be held effectively early on. You can stall there, but those troops will eventually fold. However, if you can get a bunch of your troops back there, you can hold Sian. You just have to get some through to the mountain hexes beyond as well to hold those very low SL hexes and a few behind Sian in the wooded hills.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/18/2014 5:34:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Ultimately, as I found out, I don't think that road to Sian can be held effectively early on. You can stall there, but those troops will eventually fold. However, if you can get a bunch of your troops back there, you can hold Sian. You just have to get some through to the mountain hexes beyond as well to hold those very low SL hexes and a few behind Sian in the wooded hills. Problem is I really don´t have that much for Sian. And with Ankang in Japanese hands I may risk losing everything that end up in Sian. Its a dangerous time right now! [:)]

Lokasenna -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/18/2014 7:33:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Ultimately, as I found out, I don't think that road to Sian can be held effectively early on. You can stall there, but those troops will eventually fold. However, if you can get a bunch of your troops back there, you can hold Sian. You just have to get some through to the mountain hexes beyond as well to hold those very low SL hexes and a few behind Sian in the wooded hills. Problem is I really don´t have that much for Sian. And with Ankang in Japanese hands I may risk losing everything that end up in Sian. Its a dangerous time right now! [:)] If Ankang is his, you need to get out now. Yes, it's a bad road, but with crappy Chinese "recon" you're not going to see him march up NW, possibly in great strength, to permanently cut you off. I recognize the temptation to defend Sian, but you shouldn't do it. You should only place things there in case your opponent attempts to take it with a head-on attempt only. If you have any inklings that it's going to be a multi-fronted approach (such as him taking Ankang), then in simple terms Sian is f'ed. All he has to do is establish hex control in 81,40 or 81,39 and suddenly no supplies will be flowing NE - not that a lot would be flowing, but now there's none. Not to mention once the IJA has units there, you aren't going to be dislodging them with your paltry guns-free Chinese infantry, which means you're never getting supply back to those units. Leave some speedbump defenders (preferably ones already under 1/3 TOE, as they'll respawn bigger than that), and get out before those guys are trapped in the north and useless to you! If you leave Sian with the units you want to save the instant he takes Ankang, you might make it out before he holds the river crossings ahead of you. Maybe. TL;DR version - Sian is the key to cutting off (and later destroying) whatever Chinese are NE of the central valley. Ankang is the key to cutting off Sian. Ankang is fallen, Sian is next. I actually prefer to defend Ankang instead of Sian as the Allies. Better terrain and not as exposed, though it doesn't have the same capacity for internal supply generation that Sian does.

Cribtop -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/18/2014 8:01:00 PM)
What are y'all's thoughts on retaining Lanchow even if Sian falls? Lanchow's Oil sets up Manchukuo industry to rock on without imports late into the war.

Lokasenna -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/18/2014 8:41:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop What are y'all's thoughts on retaining Lanchow even if Sian falls? Lanchow's Oil sets up Manchukuo industry to rock on without imports late into the war. Lanchow is a good place to defend, although Sining is better. Keep in mind that no Oil or Resource production will occur with enemy units in the hex. I leave enough defenders to force a certain level of engagement in these places (which will vary depending on my opponent and the game's pace in China), but that's it. Sining is typically the fall-back point from Lanchow, as any forces I don't want trapped at Lanchow once Sian falls need to get out at the same time as the Sian forces (once Ankang falls). Manchukuo has plenty of Oil even without Lanchow, though. Especially if the Magic Coast Road gets going, which is easier to do than taking Lanchow.

SqzMyLemon -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/18/2014 9:11:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop What are y'all's thoughts on retaining Lanchow even if Sian falls? Lanchow's Oil sets up Manchukuo industry to rock on without imports late into the war. I've always thought Lanchow the more important base to hold, as either side. Sian is ok, but in terms of fuel/oil Lanchow is the more valuable objective in my opinion. I'm always happier controlling Lanchow than when I'm not, especially as Japan.

Cribtop -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/19/2014 1:13:14 AM)
Agreed. I got rather lucky and took Lanchow with only 2% damage and my economy was fat and sassy. I had so much supply in Tokyo I didn't know where to ship it. This caused me to ask Mike and Michael the impact of taking a fresh Lanchow. They crunched the numbers and found it was a very big deal. IMHO a decent sized KMT force could try to hold it with supplies from the far West. At least enough to almost guarantee 50% or more destruction of the Oil if the IJA marches in.

ny59giants -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/19/2014 1:51:20 AM)
Once you lose Magwe with the fuel/oil there, you don't have any trickling in from Burma. Now in China you have the fuel from Sian and Lanchow to feed the Heavy Industry at Chungking and Kumning and maybe down to Changsha. You have plenty of Resources, but the Chinese need that little bit of fuel to get those extra supplies. Defend the ability for fuel to move into the interior, but don't do so to the point that you cannot defend the whole of China.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/19/2014 2:23:58 PM)
Good discussion guys. [&o] I´ll get a map of the area up tonight. To clarify Ankang was lost to paradrop. Its still behind Japanese lines but I have no recon despite every available plane in the region is set to either recon the base or bomb the AF. I know he has flown in at least 1 additional unit.

SqzMyLemon -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/19/2014 2:45:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna I actually prefer to defend Ankang instead of Sian as the Allies. Better terrain and not as exposed, though it doesn't have the same capacity for internal supply generation that Sian does. I find supply just won't flow to Ankang for the Allies. Makes it very tough to fortify and hold. At least it's 3x defensive terrain. A caution about defending Lanchow. You have to be willing to lose the defenders, because there is a real risk of them retreating towards Sining depending on Japanese dispositions. If that occurs they are essentially out of the war unless you slog through the mountains to try and reach Kienko or Chengtu. As Michael cautions, if you choose to hold at Lanchow in force you risk weakening your Central Plains and Chungking defence. Tough choices. I think trying to hold a line that allows Lanchow's fuel to flow into the Central Plains is key. Keep that fuel flowing for as long as you can.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/19/2014 5:15:47 PM)
December 22nd and 23rd -41 ______________________________________________________________________________ Outside China things are very calm. ------------------------ Malaya ------------------------ I try to strike out on some shipping from Singers hoping Tom had neglected to put a CAP up. No such luck. quote: Morning Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 51,82 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 11 Allied aircraft Swordfish I x 3 Vildebeest III x 5 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Swordfish I: 2 destroyed Vildebeest III: 3 destroyed ------------------------ Philippines ------------------------ I try to move some B17 forward to Clark. Tom spots this and Betties hit the AF torching 1 on the ground. Was worth a try. ------------------------ CENTPAC ------------------------ Subs has disappeared from the map. First allied Convoys have started to reach their targets. 33rd Japanese ID is confirmed to be moving to Truk. No intended target. Probably Rabaul first and then onward South. ------------------------ China ------------------------ South of Sian we actually have a some good success. See map for more details. Tom is very fond of shock attacks and this time it backfired for him. He caught two Chinese units in a clear hex with the 35th ID. Despite heavy Japanese bombings from the air the two 300 AV Chinese Corps are able to repulse the attack. quote: Ground combat at 86,45 (near Nanyang) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 11567 troops, 98 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 341 Defending force 22102 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 696 Japanese adjusted assault: 84 Allied adjusted defense: 389 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4 Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+) Japanese ground losses: 1600 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 135 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Allied ground losses: 205 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 58 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled This is followed up by a Chinese "recon bombardment". quote: ] Ground combat at 86,45 (near Nanyang) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 21693 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 646 Defending force 10211 troops, 98 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 201 Assaulting units: 85th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese Corps Defending units: 35th Division My initial reaction was to immediately order a counter attack next turn. But I think I´m going to cancel the attack and pull out instead. The 90th Corps is already badly disrupted (56) and I´m sure Tom will turn every available bomber in the area to bomb them. [image]local://upfiles/32406/E9F6C54F72264EC39089E6921F0B006A.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/20/2014 7:48:36 AM)
Happy midsummers eve everyone! I´m off to the countryside to visit my sister and her family. Skål! [sm=00000436.gif]

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