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KenchiSulla -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/20/2014 8:24:17 AM)
Enjoy the weekend Joc!

catwhoorg -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/21/2014 2:48:24 PM)
The big unanswered question; Does the missus know yet ? Its still 1941, take any crumbs of a good result, knowing they will be few and far between.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/22/2014 6:02:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: catwhoorg The big unanswered question; Does the missus know yet ? Its still 1941, take any crumbs of a good result, knowing they will be few and far between. Not yet! I´m delaying until I can find something really positive to tell her at the same time! [:D] Managed to get two turns done. More bad news in China. Update coming during the day.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/22/2014 10:31:52 AM)
December 24th and 25th - 41 ______________________________________________________________________________ Not much happening. Japanese landings on smaller objectives. Another disaster in China as another push is discovered in the worst possible way. ------------------------ Malaya ------------------------ The Swordfish takes a pounding in the shallows from DCs and have to head for Colombo. My subs are not doing well. ------------------------ Cocos Island ------------------------ Japanese forces land on the 24th and easily secures the island. ------------------------ Philippines ------------------------ My attempt to strike out with the B17s cost me another one as Japanese bombers hit Clark again. A previously damaged B17 burns up on the runway. I still have three of the precious beasts damaged at the base. ------------------------ CENTPAC ------------------------ A big convoy is spotted leaving Truk heading SW. No doubt going for Rabaul. Most likely Tom has merged Small KB and Even smaller KB giving protection. Can´t do anything to stop this. ------------------------ Allied CVs ------------------------ I´m torn how to deploy my CVs. At this stage I can´t even take on Small KB. My first instinct was to send them all to the IO. But a big Japanese operation in the IO will see the full KB in the theater. Against that there is nothing I can do anyway. Ent/Lex is moving to replace their Buffaloes for Kittens. Sara is sitting at Panama until I reach a decision. Thoughts? ------------------------ China ------------------------ Another big disaster as a major Japanese push towards Ankang is discovered. I knew he had troops moving but intel has shown only 3 units. Having two of the 350 AV Corps I was hopeful I could at least stand my ground if I failed to leave the hex in time. One more day and I would have been in x3 terrain. Now both Corps are completely shattered. The entire Japanese airforce pound the troops during the day causing over 1500 casualties. Disruption was probably close to 100 in both Corps when Toms troops cross the river... quote: Ground combat at 84,46 (near Ichang) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 14410 troops, 242 guns, 107 vehicles, Assault Value = 417 Defending force 9545 troops, 85 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 205 Japanese adjusted assault: 591 Allied adjusted defense: 15 Japanese assault odds: 39 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 17 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 3647 casualties reported Squads: 159 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 179 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 7 disabled Guns lost 23 (15 destroyed, 8 disabled) Units retreated 2 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 13th Tank Regiment 13th Division 9th Armored Car Co 11th Army 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Mortar Battalion 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 55th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps I was relying on these troops to form a defensive in the x3 terrain up to Ankang. But not only did they retreat in the wrong direction they are almost completely wiped out. I don´t have much to throw in against this force and the artillery and tanks will make short work of any defenders. I´m in deep trouble here. But there is some opportunity. This thrust will must have a very problematic supply situation. And I have lots of troops on the flanks. Perhaps I can do something. [image]local://upfiles/32406/AB5263ED2B0D40679186044D07774D37.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/22/2014 12:16:43 PM)
I came across a map mod in Cannonfodders AAR. It looks absolutely beautiful. All credits to chemkid who created this incredible mod. [&o] I´m not sure I should use this though? The map is a lot less detailed then the original map and I´m worried it will be harder to follow the AAR with the mod. What do you guys think? Here is the same screen as in the above post but with the map mod. [image]local://upfiles/32406/216E77D9D4F4489AA7FF142F86F79DFB.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/22/2014 1:48:37 PM)
Allied CVs - You get Yorktown at end of month. That will give you 4 heavy and the first thing I would do is combine all of them in 4 separate TFs (CV, 3 CA/CL, 8 DDs each). Then, place a 18 plane Marine fighter group on each. Thus, 45 fighters on each CV equals 180 even with some still as Buffaloes. Survivability is the word of the day here. What to do with them is up to you?? [sm=character0267.gif]

guytipton41 -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/22/2014 2:27:39 PM)
Hi Joc, I think the map looks awesome! Adds to the immersion of the game. Cheers, Guy

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/22/2014 6:14:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Allied CVs - You get Yorktown at end of month. That will give you 4 heavy and the first thing I would do is combine all of them in 4 separate TFs (CV, 3 CA/CL, 8 DDs each). Then, place a 18 plane Marine fighter group on each. Thus, 45 fighters on each CV equals 180 even with some still as Buffaloes. Survivability is the word of the day here. What to do with them is up to you?? [sm=character0267.gif] No way I can spare that many CAs/DDs. I´ll probably just mash them into two TFs though. The USMC are already aboard. [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: guytipton41 Hi Joc, I think the map looks awesome! Adds to the immersion of the game. Cheers, Guy I love it too. I think I will continue using the DBB map though. Not being able to see terrain type was quite annoying after a while. Perhaps it takes some time to get used to!

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/22/2014 6:47:04 PM)
December 26th to 28th - 41 ______________________________________________________________________________ A Japanese armada shows up outside Rabaul. ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ Big KB show up outside Balikpapan. It pummels two previously damaged US 4 stackers trying to sneak through to Darwin. A CA TF is spotted coming down from the North. Zeroes sweep Batavia clearing the meager defense shooting down 6 Buffaloes for no losses. ------------------------ China ------------------------ I decided to send the only recon Squadron I have available here. I can think of no other place where it can be more useful. I now spott 14 units moving on Ankang. LOADS of arty. Tom will blast through here. Its not a question of "if" but rather "how fast". Bad news. ------------------------ CENTPAC ------------------------ I now have "confirmation" on 2 different IDs heading to Truk. 33rd and 38th. Question is if its "real" or if Tom is circumventing the allied Intel or not. And if it IS real. Whats the target(s)? I would say Suva to start with or he wouldn´t bring a full ID. ------------------------ New Guinea ------------------------ An armada arrive on the doorstep to Rabaul on the 27th. On the 28th the Japanese land at Rabaul and Kavieng. As I suspected the landing are covered by Small KB and Even smaller KB (from now on MKB). Several BBs and CAs are also spotted (Haruna confirmed). I did the right think by not trying anything here. [image]local://upfiles/32406/BA3855FEB93F4B1E90068AE151926BA2.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/22/2014 9:53:53 PM)
Maybe he's tired of India. Australia? [:)]

Cribtop -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/23/2014 12:28:16 AM)
I say, Mr. Kane does know his business. Hang tough, but wow, what a focused opening by Japan.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/23/2014 5:51:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Maybe he's tired of India. Australia? [:)] Not impossible! quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop I say, Mr. Kane does know his business. Hang tough, but wow, what a focused opening by Japan. Indeed he does. I watch this unfold in a kind of morbid fascination. [X(] All I can hope for now is a mistake on his part or I think he will get that AV.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/23/2014 6:00:51 PM)
quote: 24/21st Division is loaded on a Aden Cargo class xAK moving to Cam Ranh Bay. Huh? [&:]

Lokasenna -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/23/2014 8:04:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: 24/21st Division is loaded on a Aden Cargo class xAK moving to Cam Ranh Bay. Huh? [&:] That one starts at Shanghai. What that intel is telling you is that he (probably) moved some cheap AV there to meet the garrison requirement, then pulled the division out. It's also telling you that it's in at least 24 fragments.

koniu -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 7:52:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister I came across a map mod in Cannonfodders AAR. It looks absolutely beautiful. All credits to chemkid who created this incredible mod. [&o] Map looks great. Is this map Scen 1 compatible? If Yes, can You link me to it?

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 8:19:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: 24/21st Division is loaded on a Aden Cargo class xAK moving to Cam Ranh Bay. Huh? [&:] That one starts at Shanghai. What that intel is telling you is that he (probably) moved some cheap AV there to meet the garrison requirement, then pulled the division out. It's also telling you that it's in at least 24 fragments. Well I know THAT! [:)] The huh was the destination. Why is he sending them to CRB?

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 8:20:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: koniu quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister I came across a map mod in Cannonfodders AAR. It looks absolutely beautiful. All credits to chemkid who created this incredible mod. [&o] Map looks great. Is this map Scen 1 compatible? If Yes, can You link me to it? It's stock map compatible [:)] It's on the mod forum somewhere. I can dig it up when I get home.

Encircled -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 8:29:33 AM)
Chemkids amazing map Here it is

Lokasenna -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 2:31:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: 24/21st Division is loaded on a Aden Cargo class xAK moving to Cam Ranh Bay. Huh? [&:] That one starts at Shanghai. What that intel is telling you is that he (probably) moved some cheap AV there to meet the garrison requirement, then pulled the division out. It's also telling you that it's in at least 24 fragments. Well I know THAT! [:)] The huh was the destination. Why is he sending them to CRB? Oh. Well, for staging, obviously! He probably loaded them up onto xAKs from Shanghai, especially if it's in 24 fragments. Almost all (all?) of the assault shipping (AK, LSD, APD, etc.) is in the SRA and presumably doesn't have time to schlep all the way up to Shanghai to pick these guys up. So they're on the Shanghai-CRB shuttle service.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 3:26:12 PM)
December 29th to 30th - 41 ______________________________________________________________________________ A small breather in China ------------------------ DEI ------------------------ A extremely rare sub success outside Singers. quote: Sub attack near Mersing at 52,82 Japanese Ships xAK Manyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AS Nagoya Maru xAK Nihonka Maru xAK Kotohira Maru xAK Koto Maru xAKL Kaisho Maru SC Ch 23 Allied Ships SS Sculpin Sinking sound are heard at the end of the turn. With most of the subs sunk at Manila port I have less then 10 subs in total around the DEI. So any sinkings are a welcome event. A 40 plane Zero Sweep hit Batavia completely obliterating the air defense there. Whats left of the British/Dutch fighter force is either disbanded or pulled further back. Yuck. Not even a single zero shot down. [:(] Japanese land at base south of Medan unopposed. ------------------------ Philippines ------------------------ I try to sortie the P26s against naval targets again. But Tom doesn´t do any mistakes and a big Oscar CAP is up shooting down every single attacker. Was worth a try. Bombardments continue at Clark. Tom has brought more in but its still not enough. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 2751 troops, 203 guns, 196 vehicles, Assault Value = 945 Defending force 26002 troops, 415 guns, 238 vehicles, Assault Value = 800 Allied ground losses: 30 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) ------------------------ CENTPAC ------------------------ Allies begin to reinforce Christmas Island. Give me 2 more weeks and he will need 2-3 IDs to clear it out. Pago Pago is next. Yorktown arrives at San Diego. [&o] Rabaul is lost in the first attack. Like a true IDIOT I forget to fly out the Catalinas based there. Stupid, stupid stupid! [:@] ------------------------ China ------------------------ A miracle happens at the lone Chinese Corps manages to hold against the Japanese force moving for Ankang! [&o] quote: Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 14500 troops, 242 guns, 107 vehicles, Assault Value = 427 Defending force 15961 troops, 75 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 393 Japanese adjusted assault: 211 [X(] Allied adjusted defense: 262 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 132 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 502 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 58 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 13th Division 13th Tank Regiment 9th Armored Car Co 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 11th Army 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 1st Mortar Battalion 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 59th Chinese Corps 33rd Group Army On the 30th another Corps enter the hex and boosts the AV to almost 800. But considering the Arty Tom has brought he will break through here soon. A Japanese Panzeer Armee wrecks some a Chinese stack caught in the open. I hate stuff like this but if I can make it to 43 the roles will be somewhat reserved. quote: Ground combat at 86,43 (near Loyang) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 2048 troops, 4 guns, 255 vehicles, Assault Value = 375 Defending force 45897 troops, 168 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 960 Japanese adjusted assault: 80 Allied adjusted defense: 233 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: op mode(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 30 (2 destroyed, 28 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1379 casualties reported [:(] Squads: 6 destroyed, 94 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled) Assaulting units: 9th Tank Regiment 23rd Tank Regiment 5th Tank Regiment 35th Division 1st Recon Regiment Defending units: 93rd Chinese Corps 80th Chinese Corps 3rd Construction Regiment 27th Chinese Corps 8th New Chinese Corps 40th Chinese Corps 7th Construction Regiment 36th Group Army 1st War Area 15th Group Army 39th Group Army Jingcha War Area 10th Chinese Base Force Overall the situation is absolutely critical. I have no reserves to fill any gaps or plug any breakthroughs around the Sian sector. Tom used his knowledge of the Chinese starting positions to the fullest. I have already sent whatever reserves was at the Central plains towards Sian. They are already on the frontlines. I have pulled a lot of troops from the Changsha sector but they are weeks if not months away. The feeling of doom is strong right now! The only positive thing is that except 2 very small Corps and 2 HQ units ALL Chinese units managed to escape entrapment. Thats a first... [image]local://upfiles/32406/522C9C46A98048BEA29ED2384BC47097.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 4:44:21 PM)
Mr. Kane just lost China in his game against Spidery in late Dec 42. He wants payback against you![:)] Don't panic...well just a little.[:D] Remember to have fun. Smiling, while being kicked, when you are down, is a must have skill for the game! Are you evacuating any Chinese to India? Not to early to be moving those 5 units (I think) to India. Get em out early. I still can't get over taking Ankang with paratroops. [X(] Perhaps, if he crushes China we might see an attack on Russia? You would then get a chance to play with troops most people never have! Might not be fun for you, but interesting for us your gentle readers.[:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 5:02:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Mr. Kane just lost China in his game against Spidery in late Dec 42. He wants payback against you![:)] Don't panic...well just a little.[:D] Remember to have fun. Smiling, while being kicked, when you are down, is a must have skill for the game! Are you evacuating any Chinese to India? Not to early to be moving those 5 units (I think) to India. Get em out early. I still can't get over taking Ankang with paratroops. [X(] Perhaps, if he crushes China we might see an attack on Russia? You would then get a chance to play with troops most people never have! Might not be fun for you, but interesting for us your gentle readers.[:)] Haha, I´ll try to have fun! At least I havn´t lost my entire navy (yet) like I did against Erik! [:D] That Ankang drop was very clever. I set troops moving for it on the first turn. Should have flown a garrison in. I think an attack on Russia is very unlikely even with China knocked out earlier then usual. Would be fun if he did though! [:)]

Lowpe -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 6:16:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Should have flown a garrison in. [:)] Seriously, who would think to do that? Well, now, yes., but before? Well, you did manage to lose Force Z on day 1, against better advice if I might say so.[:D] To think you might have been able to field a full battleship fleet for the Allies...that would have been neat to see! Mahan would have been proud. I think you are doing great so far...given the opening. As you know, your day will come!

ny59giants -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 6:37:31 PM)
You might need to spend a few days worth of PP on leaders for some of your Chinese troops.

Cribtop -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/24/2014 8:12:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: 24/21st Division is loaded on a Aden Cargo class xAK moving to Cam Ranh Bay. Huh? [&:] That one starts at Shanghai. What that intel is telling you is that he (probably) moved some cheap AV there to meet the garrison requirement, then pulled the division out. It's also telling you that it's in at least 24 fragments. Well I know THAT! [:)] The huh was the destination. Why is he sending them to CRB? Or he set CRB as a dummy destination and they are now steaming in another direction. It's probably staging, but you never know.

obvert -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/25/2014 1:30:24 PM)
It's possible to also set the destination to one base and a waypoint destination in another place entirely. Once either at or near the waypoint destination the final target could be set, or the ships could just stay on patrol there. I tried this a few times in our game, although of course I'm not sure it worked! [;)]

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/25/2014 5:00:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Should have flown a garrison in. [:)] Seriously, who would think to do that? Well, now, yes., but before? Well, you did manage to lose Force Z on day 1, against better advice if I might say so.[:D] To think you might have been able to field a full battleship fleet for the Allies...that would have been neat to see! Mahan would have been proud. I think you are doing great so far...given the opening. As you know, your day will come! Thanks! [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants You might need to spend a few days worth of PP on leaders for some of your Chinese troops. Already doing it in places that are critical. Actually prioritizing over anything else right now.

JocMeister -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/25/2014 5:04:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop Or he set CRB as a dummy destination and they are now steaming in another direction. It's probably staging, but you never know. Thats my biggest worry. If I hadn´t a fix on KB and MKB I would be very worried right now with 3 full IDs on the move. quote: ORIGINAL: obvert It's possible to also set the destination to one base and a waypoint destination in another place entirely. Once either at or near the waypoint destination the final target could be set, or the ships could just stay on patrol there. I tried this a few times in our game, although of course I'm not sure it worked! [;)] Not sure either. Probably not as I had a very good fix on your IDs. At least later in the game. [:)]

Lokasenna -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/25/2014 5:10:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister quote: ORIGINAL: Cribtop Or he set CRB as a dummy destination and they are now steaming in another direction. It's probably staging, but you never know. Thats my biggest worry. If I hadn´t a fix on KB and MKB I would be very worried right now with 3 full IDs on the move. quote: ORIGINAL: obvert It's possible to also set the destination to one base and a waypoint destination in another place entirely. Once either at or near the waypoint destination the final target could be set, or the ships could just stay on patrol there. I tried this a few times in our game, although of course I'm not sure it worked! [;)] Not sure either. Probably not as I had a very good fix on your IDs. At least later in the game. [:)] I think it still looks at the "destination" when it gives you the intel report for "is moving to (xxx,yyy)". I used patrol zones when making my move on Western Australia. Perhaps Bullwinkle can enlighten as to whether he got any hits on that stuff in his Sig Int in the 7-10 days prior to the invasion, if he doesn't think it will compromise anything.

obvert -> RE: Return of the Sheep! (6/25/2014 7:53:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert It's possible to also set the destination to one base and a waypoint destination in another place entirely. Once either at or near the waypoint destination the final target could be set, or the ships could just stay on patrol there. I tried this a few times in our game, although of course I'm not sure it worked! [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Not sure either. Probably not as I had a very good fix on your IDs. At least later in the game. [:)] It was earlier in game I was doing this kind of thing, mostly. quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna I think it still looks at the "destination" when it gives you the intel report for "is moving to (xxx,yyy)". I used patrol zones when making my move on Western Australia. Perhaps Bullwinkle can enlighten as to whether he got any hits on that stuff in his Sig Int in the 7-10 days prior to the invasion, if he doesn't think it will compromise anything. That is why I had hoped waypoints would work. The TF is not moving to the waypoint, just to another destination through the waypoint. So the destination might be Soerabaja, but the waypoint would be near Rangoon, and that is where the troops would be heading. So as long as I don't forget what's happening (entirely possible) I change the TF with only a day's travel to it's actual destination of Rangoon. He might then get a SIGINT message in the that one day or travel, but most likely not I would think. In essence it's false radio traffic, which the Japanese actually did use, especially later in the war.

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