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HansBolter -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/18/2014 10:56:24 AM)

John 3rd,

I wanted to report a glitch in BTS.

The AG that starts disbanded in port at Midway has a cargo capacity of 2040 when one examines the individual ship.

When looking at it in the ships disbanded in port interface the capacity is listed as ten times that amount.

I played 6 turns over the weekend. I absolutely love the countermix.

Unfortunately I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that it really isn't a viable solo scenario.

In six days I have shot down over 300 Japanese planes while losing about 30 some Allied.

The AI stopped escorting bombing runs on the PI after the first turn and has never escorted the bombing runs on Rangoon as it does heavily in AndyMacs Ironman games.

I'll play more turns to see how it continues, but I'm thinking I may have to forgo your excellent countermix for Andy's new "Ironman Nasty ported to Babes" scenario.

I understand you did some unusual things like having Pennsylvania arrive on turn two with battle damage. By the way, she sunk by the end of that turn, apparently from the fire damage that spread out of control.

I was a bit surprised by the way the Achilles was handled. I kept searching the South Seas for her and never found her there. Finally I went to the all ships list and found here in an off board entry box with a destination of Tjilijap (sp?).

I then expected her to enter at the edge of the board and transit to her destination.

Instead she somehow teleported to the destination upon entry. Was kind of confusing. Why not just have her enter there as a reinforcement?

Well, those are my observations from the weekend. Hope the feedback is useful.

Thanks again for all the work you and the team have put into this.



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/18/2014 1:14:02 PM)

Thank You for the thoughts/comments.

I am pretty certain that the AI cannot handle everything that we have now done in these Mods. We've talked about it in the Threads and it just doesn't seem to be workable anymore. Let me know how you further play works out.

As to your points above:
1. That AG at Midway is from the very beginning. It was not touched by any of the Mods so that simply has started there from square one.
2. Think I might scale back Pennsylvania's damage. Would like to see how others have seen this ship do after Dec 7th?
3. Achilles sounds weird. Will look and see on that one.

Appreciate the time Sir.



thinman -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/18/2014 6:04:01 PM)

Hi,

the B5N2-C is now a level bomber, not a recon

the Pennsylvania' damage OK. Because of fire there is a small chance loosing this ship.

I've got a question about the redesigned Japanese CL/CA.

[image]http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/hryq-s-33e7.jpg[/image]

Is this correct? The Furutaka/Aoba-class CL with only 9 guns in 3 turrets?

In your scen there is also a problem with your Mogami-class
Mogami-CL: 2 triple 15,5cm in front, 2 triple 15,5cm rear (but the originl Mogami was a five turret cruiser)

The five turret Mogami should have
Wpn 1 "Num 9 Turrets 3" in Front and Wpn 2 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Rear
or (like Takao/Myoko)
Wpn 1 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Front, Wpn 2 "Num 3 Turrets 3" in center and Wpn 3 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Rear

Greetings

Thinman



Kitakami -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/18/2014 6:55:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thinman

Hi,

the B5N2-C is now a level bomber, not a recon
the Pennsylvania' damage OK. Because of fire there is a small chance loosing this ship.
I've got a question about the redesigned Japanese CL/CA.
<image deleted>
Is this correct? The Furutaka/Aoba-class CL with only 9 guns in 3 turrets?
In your scen there is also a problem with your Mogami-class
Mogami-CL: 2 triple 15,5cm in front, 2 triple 15,5cm rear (but the originl Mogami was a five turret cruiser)
The five turret Mogami should have
Wpn 1 "Num 9 Turrets 3" in Front and Wpn 2 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Rear
or (like Takao/Myoko)
Wpn 1 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Front, Wpn 2 "Num 3 Turrets 3" in center and Wpn 3 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Rear

Greetings

Thinman


@Thinman,

You are correct regarding the B5N2-C. It should be fixed.
The Furutaka & Aoba classes only had three turrets. Historically they were the oldest IJN CAs in service. In this mod they were converted to CLs, but the only thing that was changed was their turrets.
The Mogami class has its fifth turret as Weapon #11. That turret can only fire to the sides, not to the front, as it did historically.

Cheers,

Kitakami



thinman -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/18/2014 7:25:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kitakami


quote:

ORIGINAL: thinman

Hi,

the B5N2-C is now a level bomber, not a recon
the Pennsylvania' damage OK. Because of fire there is a small chance loosing this ship.
I've got a question about the redesigned Japanese CL/CA.
<image deleted>
Is this correct? The Furutaka/Aoba-class CL with only 9 guns in 3 turrets?
In your scen there is also a problem with your Mogami-class
Mogami-CL: 2 triple 15,5cm in front, 2 triple 15,5cm rear (but the originl Mogami was a five turret cruiser)
The five turret Mogami should have
Wpn 1 "Num 9 Turrets 3" in Front and Wpn 2 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Rear
or (like Takao/Myoko)
Wpn 1 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Front, Wpn 2 "Num 3 Turrets 3" in center and Wpn 3 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Rear

Greetings

Thinman


@Thinman,

You are correct regarding the B5N2-C. It should be fixed.
The Furutaka & Aoba classes only had three turrets. Historically they were the oldest IJN CAs in service. In this mod they were converted to CLs, but the only thing that was changed was their turrets.
The Mogami class has its fifth turret as Weapon #11. That turret can only fire to the sides, not to the front, as it did historically.

Cheers,

Kitakami


Hi Kitakami,

Your are right with Wpn 11, there is the forgotten turret :)

Yes, Furutaka and Aoba were the oldest CA in the IJN. But the 15,5cm/60 was designed in the early 1930, so it's a ahistoric scenario. So the Furutaka should be the japanese variant of the british Arethusa-class with durability and maneuverability of a heavy cruiser?



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/19/2014 12:54:07 AM)

Thanks Kitakami for answering the Mogami question and clearing it up.

THOUGHT I fixed the Kate. Bet I just missed the Recon slot. Will fix. The plane is only rated to carry a small bomb anyway.



HansBolter -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/19/2014 11:00:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thinman

the Pennsylvania' damage OK. Because of fire there is a small chance loosing this ship.

Greetings

Thinman


Spoken like a true JFB [;)]



btd64 -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/19/2014 12:53:20 PM)

John, Sorry took so long to post my findings. Norton issues.[:@] Anyway, I installed a fresh WITPAE file, installed all extended maps and updates. Then downloaded BTS 1.2 and the air art issue I had has cleared up. Good thing.[8D]. Just have to add some wessel art. Have you had a chance to work on the consolidated art file? If not, let me know if I can help with that....GP



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/19/2014 1:14:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thinman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kitakami


quote:

ORIGINAL: thinman

Hi,

the B5N2-C is now a level bomber, not a recon
the Pennsylvania' damage OK. Because of fire there is a small chance loosing this ship.
I've got a question about the redesigned Japanese CL/CA.
<image deleted>
Is this correct? The Furutaka/Aoba-class CL with only 9 guns in 3 turrets?
In your scen there is also a problem with your Mogami-class
Mogami-CL: 2 triple 15,5cm in front, 2 triple 15,5cm rear (but the originl Mogami was a five turret cruiser)
The five turret Mogami should have
Wpn 1 "Num 9 Turrets 3" in Front and Wpn 2 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Rear
or (like Takao/Myoko)
Wpn 1 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Front, Wpn 2 "Num 3 Turrets 3" in center and Wpn 3 "Num 6 Turrets 3" in Rear

Greetings

Thinman


@Thinman,

You are correct regarding the B5N2-C. It should be fixed.
The Furutaka & Aoba classes only had three turrets. Historically they were the oldest IJN CAs in service. In this mod they were converted to CLs, but the only thing that was changed was their turrets.
The Mogami class has its fifth turret as Weapon #11. That turret can only fire to the sides, not to the front, as it did historically.

Cheers,

Kitakami


Hi Kitakami,

Your are right with Wpn 11, there is the forgotten turret :)

Yes, Furutaka and Aoba were the oldest CA in the IJN. But the 15,5cm/60 was designed in the early 1930, so it's a ahistoric scenario. So the Furutaka should be the japanese variant of the british Arethusa-class with durability and maneuverability of a heavy cruiser?



The basic story line is that the Japanese build them as planned IRL and then the London Conference occurs whereupon they convert them to 'light' cruisers by going to the 6" weapon. They never go to the twin 8" turret. For the day a CL armed with three triple 6" turrets would have been quite powerful and they could then be seen as forerunners to the 15 gun Mogami-Class.



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/19/2014 1:15:10 PM)

GP: I have the ship art all consolidated. Will upload that to the website today. Will Post when done.



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/19/2014 3:35:35 PM)

OK. BTS 1.2.1 uploaded to the website. Fixes:

1. The Recon Kate is actually a RECON Kate now.
2. BB Pennsylvania's damaged lessened considerably. New damage starting number on Dec 8th: Sys 31, Flot 18 (9), Engines 18 (9), and Fires 14.
3. Moved the two US BBs (Maryland and West Virginia I think) getting refitted on US West Coast from Alameda to Bremerton. Better shipyard and facilities.

That's it.

I also uploaded the combined ship art file that carries EVERYTHING for Treaty, RA, and BTS. Air art is another story with no answer currently.



Kitakami -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/19/2014 3:41:43 PM)

Thanks for making AE a much better game John :)



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/19/2014 3:55:20 PM)

Also applied points one and two from above to Treaty Mod.



thinman -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/20/2014 6:53:08 PM)

Kagero-class will be update in 10/43 (slot 1475) to 10cm/65 (wpn-slot 2). Can't believe this is intended :(

Fubuki-class (Fubuki I) can update 12,7/50 Type A (Naval Gun) to Type D (DP) in 3/43
No upgrade for Shikinami-Class (Fubuki II). This class is starting with 12,7/50 Typ B (DP like Type D)
Akatsuki-class (Fubuki III) can update her 12,7/50 Type C (Naval Gun) to Type D (DP) in 3/43 - in history they was fitted with Type B (DP) too

Hatsuharu-class was fitted with Type B too. In your scen there is the Type C (Naval Gun) fitted.
Shiratsuyu-class was fitted with Type C. But in your scen there is one Type B in WpnSlot 2 at the beginning

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_5-50_3ns.htm



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/21/2014 12:03:04 AM)

Thanks Thinman. It was not the intention of this being done. Will investigate and correct.

Michael and I found something else today while talking on the phone. The USS Washington, a Colorado-Class BB, starts the game on the West Coast. That is NEAT; however, I never designed, created, or named the Washington to exist. My only working thought is this came from the works of Juan, JWE's Da Babes, FatR, or someone else who had the files at one point. We choose to go with the two Lexington's instead of the Colorado-Class so this will be fixed ASAP. It isn't a crisis but it is a concern. Will advise once fixed.



wdolson -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/21/2014 12:15:15 AM)

Juan's mod has a Colorado class Washington.

Bill



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/21/2014 2:31:31 AM)

Uh--Ohhhhhhhh...



JuanG -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/21/2014 11:37:10 PM)

I also noticed this ship when I was reviewing the scenario at some point, but just thought it was intended to be there as a consequence of treaty changes.

While Washington is indeed present in my scenarios, I did not include her here or make any changes to anything besides the Locations, Leaders & Air Groups files (all needed for the Aircraft Purchases), so would be interesting to know why she is present.

EDIT: Did a little more digging - looks like the only Washington present is now a Colorado class, with the second North Carolina class ship being called Montana.



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/24/2014 2:47:53 AM)

Had a chance to do some cleaning up. The Washington only shows up in BTS. Deleted the Colorado-Class and got rid of the Montana by replacing her name with the correct Washington. Fairly easy fix.

Went through the DDs some and made things a bit more consistent. Will Post on the website tomorrow or later tonight and note here when I do.

Still don't know WHY Washington showed up in BTS. Should be an identical scenario to Treaty but it isn't in Treaty. 'Tis a puzzlement!



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/24/2014 2:07:58 PM)

Uploaded and Updated all three Mods on the web page. Should be good until someone finds something else.



Cavalry Corp -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/25/2014 12:47:08 PM)

John, Should it be BTS 1.2.2 As you already had 1.2.1 - please excuse me if I am wrong

Michael



Kitakami -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/25/2014 3:34:40 PM)

@John,

Since I was not going to repeat the Japanese day 1 setup (for the 4th time), I am continuing with my recently started (day 2 in the works) PBEM game. One thing I have noticed is that getting a VERY good result in Pearl Harbor is not an easy task. I did, but at the expense of other things. Doable, but not easy... GOOD!

One minor detail: the reduced load for the B5N2-C is 2x 250 Kg bombs... I am almost certain that is not what you want :)

Cheers!



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/25/2014 4:34:51 PM)

Hey Gentlemen!

Kitakami: GLAD you got your game rolling. Sorry about the little updates but I am just simply cleaning up as I find the issues. LUCKILY nothing has been horrifically serious. The PH Raid is certainly a grab bag. Criptop had excellent results but I've heard others have not. As to the recon Kate----it was supposed to carry just a 100Kg bomb. Pretty sure the problem you mention is due to copy/paste issues. Will fix. You are starting a BTS Scenario--RIGHT? or Is it RA?

Cavalry: Correct and will fix.



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/25/2014 4:57:04 PM)

Well...this is what I get for NOT doing aircraft before. I did not realize that the 'reduced load' was actually on the 11-20 list. DUH! Fixed. I shifted the Recon Kate to 2 100 KG Bombs Normal/1 100 KG Bomb reduced.



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/25/2014 5:08:21 PM)

Just added Juan's Allied Aircraft Purchase Guide to the web site so Allied players can gain a clear understanding as to how this new system works.



Kitakami -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/25/2014 5:33:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Hey Gentlemen!

Kitakami: GLAD you got your game rolling. Sorry about the little updates but I am just simply cleaning up as I find the issues. LUCKILY nothing has been horrifically serious. The PH Raid is certainly a grab bag. Criptop had excellent results but I've heard others have not. As to the recon Kate----it was supposed to carry just a 100Kg bomb. Pretty sure the problem you mention is due to copy/paste issues. Will fix. You are starting a BTS Scenario--RIGHT? or Is it RA?
Cavalry: Correct and will fix.


I cannot complain. This is what was reported (and YES, it is BtS):

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Idaho, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hull, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
BB New Mexico, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
AVP Swan, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Farragut, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 3
DM Sicard, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Castor, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DM Montgomery, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AV Curtiss, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2
DM Preble, Bomb hits 1
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
DD MacDonough, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AM Tern, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Patterson, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AVD Thornton, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AM Grebe, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AG Antares, Bomb hits 1
DD Allen, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
SS Tautog, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Phelps, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DMS Wasmuth, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Narwhal, Bomb hits 1
DD Dewey, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Cassin, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PT-30, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AM Turkey, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AS Pelias, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Aylwin, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Downes, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Cachalot, Bomb hits 1
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1
DM Ramsay, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

I did throw everything against it, though, including the kitchen sink. If the report is correct, I sank 2x BB, 1x CA, 5x DD, 1x AVD, 1x DM, 1x AM, 1x PT.
I did hit the other BBs with a good number of torpedoes so, if there is not enough flood damage and fires to sink one or two more, at the very least they will spend ages in dry dock.




John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/25/2014 5:46:13 PM)

Holy CRAP! Nice work. Did you hit it with CarDiv1 and 5: Akagi, Amagi, Ryukaku, Shokaku, Zuikaku, and a CAV?



Kitakami -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/25/2014 8:11:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Holy CRAP! Nice work. Did you hit it with CarDiv1 and 5: Akagi, Amagi, Ryukaku, Shokaku, Zuikaku, and a CAV?


Inbox. Such info is not to be discussed in public fora ;)



btd64 -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/27/2014 9:22:41 PM)

John, Now that my anti virus and internet are up again, I have downloaded and installed v2.1 and all art. Everything looks good. I ran 2 quick tests out for about 2 weeks game time. runs smooth. JuanG and I are going to start a PBEM hopefully tonight or tomarrow....GP

Still trying to figure out a solution for the OZ and NZ buff. Will let you know...



John 3rd -> RE: Between the Storms 1.2 (8/27/2014 10:57:51 PM)

General! That is good news.

You guys playing RA or BTS?

Don't forget that we also need G.6 Ship Art.

Did you see Red Lancer's Buffaloes he did? Let me find them for a another posting.



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