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Blast33 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (3/12/2021 10:20:56 PM)

Germany wants to buy P-8!




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gosnold -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (3/13/2021 4:29:14 PM)

Dassault CEO is unhappy with the state of the FCAS project:
https://therestlesstechnophile.com/2021/03/11/dassault-ceo-shoots-down-german-spanish-demands-over-fcas/

This + Germany buying P-8 instead of waiting for the French-German Patmar developed under the MAWS project bodes ill for French-German cooperation.




Gunner98 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (3/15/2021 5:36:50 PM)

A Swimmer Delivery Vehicle with a 250nm range and 30+knts. I think it may have some scenario possiblities:

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/03/subsea-crafts-new-diver-delivery-unit-nearly-ready-for-launch/




Blast33 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (3/21/2021 6:04:18 PM)

Sweden Reactivates RBS 23 Air Defence Missile System in Gotland
March 20, 2021

The Swedish Armed Forces has reactivated the country’s air defence missile system 23 and will be stationed in Gotland. The ‘reintroduction’ of this missile system comes after it was put in the materiel reserve for a few years. The RBS 23 BAMSE (Bofors Advanced Missile System Evaluation)medium-range air defence system was developed in the 1990s and completed in the early 2000s. The Swedish government ordered the RBS23 in 2000 and deliveries started in 2002. The Swedish Army only trained conscripts on the system in 2008, however, the system was not taken into Army use but was used as a demonstration system.

On 1 July 2019, the system was taken into Swedish Army use and a number of RBS 23 systems were placed on Gotland, under command of the new Gotland Regiment. However the system was deployed with the PS-90 search radar and not Giraffe AMB (UndE 23). This is because the Giraffe AMB units had been updated with a new data system for relaying the air picture so they can no longer talk directly to the RBS 23 fire units. The older PS-90 can both talk to the fire units and translate the modern data system to the new one, that is why the PS-90 was picked. According to the Swedish Armed Forces, the unit in the materiel reserve trained at the Air Defence Regiment (LV6) in the Swedish city of Halmstad.



RBS 23 BAMSE air defense system

The RBS 23 is a Swedish medium range, all-weather capable air defense system developed by Bofors and Ericsson Microwave Systems (now both in the Saab group). BAMSE is designed for protection of military facilities, ground forces and high value infrastructures. It is intended to operate against very small and fast targets such as attack missiles, anti-radiation missiles, UAVs and cruise missiles. It can also engage high altitude flying targets. The system consists of a Surveillance and Control Centre (SCC) and two to four Missile Control Centers (MCC). The missile control center trailers are located up to 20 km away from the SCC and interconnected via a cable or radio communications (up to 15 km).

The part of Missile system 23, which launches the surface-to-air missile, is called ‘Launch unit 23’. Launch unit 23 is a missile vehicle that can be towed by any type of pulling vehicle. The roof of the vehicle is mounted with a gun carriage with six launch-ready missiles, an extendable 8m-long mast with command radar and an infrared camera. The unit can be connected to the central reconnaissance radar called as ‘Intelligence unit 23’. It can also, however, operate independently if needed. The missile used by the RBS 23 system is based on the RBS 70, but unlike its predecessor it is a radar command control ACLOS missile, which means that the missile itself and the target have to be tracked by the fire control radar until impact.

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Blast33 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (3/24/2021 6:42:49 AM)

"In 2019, the U.S. Air Force deployed our first High-Energy Laser Weapon System, HELWS, overseas, and it’s now nearing 4,000 hours of operation. Now certified for use in combat, multiple additional systems are now in theater"

With a low cost-per-shot ratio HEL is an affordable and viable option to protect military & critical infrastructure. Lasers offer a nearly infinite number of shots, minimal logistics and precision accuracy with very low collateral damage.."

RI&S has successfully completed full installation and testing on small Army vehicles as well as an Apache attack helicopter.
https://www.raytheonintelligenceandspace.com/capabilities/products/lasers




Blast33 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (3/25/2021 6:15:03 PM)

Is this the Iranian vessel with which the Israeli cargo ship LORI was attacked last night? An investigation conducted by the blog "Intel Times" succeeded in locating in the route taken by the Israeli ship, an unidentified Iranian vessel (not a ship and possibly a military one) that was at the time of the attack (attaching a mine or firing a missile) near the Israeli ship.
https://twitter.com/IntelliTimes/status/1375147364177035266

For scenario makers; good luck with all the civil traffic [;)]

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Rob322 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (3/27/2021 10:19:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AndrewNguyen1984

I think Chains of War was too generous (and I mean way too generous) with how the US could perform in a future shooting war with China: https://www.yahoo.com/news/were-going-to-lose-fast-us-air-force-held-a-war-game-that-started-with-a-chinese-biological-attack-170003936.html


Well, scenarios are often (not always) written to give the players a chance, whichever side they might play. Even if the fight isn't "fair", most games sell a challenge but a challenge you can beat. In the meantime, real military professionals are trying to make sure the fight is unfair as possible. That's not as fun in a commercial wargame but then again the stakes for losing are worse in real life.




AndrewNguyen1984 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (3/29/2021 3:05:45 AM)

Well looks like it just keeps getting worse: https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-growing-firepower-casts-doubt-100155823.html




Dysta -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (3/30/2021 12:10:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rob322


quote:

ORIGINAL: AndrewNguyen1984

I think Chains of War was too generous (and I mean way too generous) with how the US could perform in a future shooting war with China: https://www.yahoo.com/news/were-going-to-lose-fast-us-air-force-held-a-war-game-that-started-with-a-chinese-biological-attack-170003936.html


Well, scenarios are often (not always) written to give the players a chance, whichever side they might play. Even if the fight isn't "fair", most games sell a challenge but a challenge you can beat. In the meantime, real military professionals are trying to make sure the fight is unfair as possible. That's not as fun in a commercial wargame but then again the stakes for losing are worse in real life.

Agreed.

If real life warfare is being compared as a chess, then the attacking side would rather hope the defending side has only the King left and no other pieces protecting it. It will put the game to stalemate as soon as possible without any causality. You bring down the enemy with the least harm to be done, ended the war the fastest way possible, everybody but loser is happy.

It will be vastly boring and predictable, but those aren’t the worst compare to deaths and suffers when a “fair fight” was dragged for too long.




Blast33 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (4/1/2021 3:11:59 PM)

Speaking at an @IISS_org virtual event, CDS General Sir Nick Carter said that by 2030 an RAF tactical formation could be made of up two Typhoon Fighter Jets, ten Mosquito uncrewed fighter aircraft and 100 Alvino swarming uncrewed aerial vehicles (UAVs).

Mosquito is the RAF’s name for a programme to build the UK’s first uncrewed fighter aircraft, able to target and shoot down adversaries aircraft. The project is currently being led by Spirit AeroSystems with an aim for full-scale flight tests in 2023.

Carter told the thinktank: “I think by 2030, it’s entirely respectable for us to posit a view that a tactical formation in the Air Force will move from being eight Typhoon to being two Typhoon, 10 Mosquitoes and 100 Alvino" (Alvina is to be a swarming drone platform).
https://t.co/Un6hMtckHr?amp=1

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BrianinMinnie -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/1/2021 9:20:38 PM)

I don't believe the CMO version RQ-180 is currently modeled with these suspected capabilities?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39882/how-the-rq-180-drone-will-emerge-from-the-shadows-as-the-centerpiece-of-a-warfighting-revolution

I'll take a Dozen please!!




Blast33 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/2/2021 8:09:30 AM)

With @HNLMS_Evertsen now confirmed, here is the full line up of ships and squadrons for #CSG21.

Nine ships, aircraft from 5 squadrons & 3,700 personnel – a comprehensive Carrier Strike Group, with a sovereign British core, and our #NATO allies integrated throughout.

Commander UK Carrier Strike Group https://twitter.com/smrmoorhouse
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Blast33 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/2/2021 1:37:30 PM)

The final look of the future Russian PAK DA bomber (code "Messenger"), which is being developed by PJSC "Tupolev", was approved by the Ministry of Defense. RIA Novosti was informed about this by a source in the defense industry complex.

According to the agency's interlocutor, priority was given to long-range weapons and aircraft stealth. In addition, the onboard systems of the Long-Range Aviation Prospective Aviation Complex will be automated as much as possible, up to the possibility of using the bomber in unmanned mode.

At the moment, construction of several prototypes of the aircraft is underway. It is reported that the machine will be created according to the "flying wing" scheme (similar to the "Okhotnik" UAV), have a subsonic speed and a long flight duration.

It is assumed that the stealth bomber will be able to use long-range missiles, promising hypersonic missiles, as well as the entire range of air-to-air missiles as weapons. All weapons will be located in the internal fuselage compartments. Also, the possibility of controlling UAV groups is not excluded.

Earlier, the defense industry reported that tests of the radar signature of special layouts and individual full-size elements of the PAK DA confirmed that a promising bomber, subject to the use of certain tactics, will be able to overcome the air defense lines of a potential enemy.

The adoption of a new combat vehicle is scheduled for 2027. It is assumed that the new bomber will replace the Tu-95MS.
https://topcor.ru/19312-raskryt-okonchatelnyj-oblik-bombardirovschika-poslannik.html




Blast33 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/5/2021 9:52:51 AM)

The Israeli Air Force received the new Oron spy plane, considered to be the most advanced plane of its kind in the world, on Sunday.

The new plane will be part of the Air Force’s 122nd Squadron, also known as the Nachshon Squadron.

The plane - a modified Gulfstream G550 bizjet - is equipped with artificial intelligence technology and is notable for its excellent flight capabilities and low maintenance costs. The plane will be equipped with advanced radar made by Israel Aerospace Industries, as well as with other advanced intelligence-gathering systems, providing new capabilities in terms of coverage in all types of weather and in any level of visibility. The plane is designed to give the Air Force a comprehensive picture of an area in real time, including the mapping of enemy ground forces.

The development of the plane took eight years, with the participation of the joint Defense Ministry and Israel Defense Forces research and development body, the Air Force, Military Intelligence, the navy and Israel Aerospace Industries. The Oron is meant to allow combined arms divisions to operate more effectively by getting a real-time reading of a situation made available simultaneously to different branches of the military. This is consistent with a change in strategy currently being undertaken by the military, consisting of an increase in coordination between different branches of the military on the battlefield.

Details are too sketchy to post this aircraft for a new database entry..



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NorthernFox -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/9/2021 7:35:03 AM)

Today South Koreas DAPA & Kai reveal KF-21 Boramae

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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/09/asia/south-korea-kf-21-fifth-generation-fighter-jet-intl-hnk/index.html

first flight is scheduled for July 2022 and by 2028 more than 40 planes (Block I) are expected to be deployed.





c3k -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/9/2021 2:12:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NorthernFox

Today South Koreas DAPA & Kai reveal KF-21 Boramae

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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/09/asia/south-korea-kf-21-fifth-generation-fighter-jet-intl-hnk/index.html

first flight is scheduled for July 2022 and by 2028 more than 40 planes (Block I) are expected to be deployed.




It's like an F22 mated with an F35. ;)




DESRON420 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/10/2021 7:34:49 PM)

just a relaxing day observing surface contacts https://www.dvidshub.net/image/6591140/210404-n-ya628-2309

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BeirutDude -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/11/2021 5:48:03 PM)

...and the USS Mustin, DDG-89 recently underwent a Change of Command Ceremony! [8|]

https://www.surfpac.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2557629/uss-mustin-conducts-change-of-command/




BeirutDude -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/11/2021 5:49:19 PM)

...and the USS Mustin, DDG-89 recently underwent a Change of Command Ceremony! [8|]

https://www.surfpac.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2557629/uss-mustin-conducts-change-of-command/




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/12/2021 1:18:26 PM)

A lot of detail in this wargame summary ... well more than normal:

https://www.defensenews.com/training-sim/2021/04/12/a-us-air-force-war-game-shows-what-the-service-needs-to-hold-off-or-win-against-china-in-2030/

And we have this today:

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-iran-358384f03b1ef6b65f4264bf9a59a458




SunlitZelkova -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/14/2021 12:12:02 AM)

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/backstories/1598/

If you read between the lines, I see this as pointing out major weaknesses in the supply chain as opposed to the factories potentially being located to unstable regions. This maker apparently has no relation to the defence industry but it makes me wonder how vulnerable other chip makers are, either to accidents to sabotage (physical or cyber).




Blast33 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/15/2021 4:16:05 PM)

ArmeedelAir intend to reach French Polynesia via the U.S. in 48 hr. The mission will involve three Rafale-s, two...A330MRTT & one A400M...we will interact with the U.S. and their command in the Pacific Ocean"https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/french-air-space-chief-game-changing-aircraft

Nice one to try in CMO! [8D]




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/15/2021 10:39:17 PM)

Actually, looking at the app Marine Traffic, Ukraine does have access to sea shipping via Odesa and along the Dniper River. But I bet they wish Kerch was freely open to them. Melitopol has a few tugs in it, but it's so close to Russia.





Blast33 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/19/2021 7:01:45 PM)

So, who needs his reading glasses?
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2021/04/19/persian-posturing-irans-drone-fleet-seen-from-space/



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Blast33 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/20/2021 10:51:30 AM)

A Raytheon RIM-174 SM-6 missile integrated on a left wing pylon of a Boeing F/A-18F Super Hornet in flight. Credit: Michael Grove.
The photo was taken in 2018 , close to Point Mugu.
https://twitter.com/clemente3000/status/1384384499535028226/photo/1

And some background info:

Capt. Michael Ladner, program manager, told USNI News in 2014 that several new missions could be added via software-only upgrades. In addition to being easily reconfigurable, the SM-6 has been shown to work with the Navy’s fighter datalinks by the engagement of an aerial target utilizing targeting data provided by an F-35 in 2016. A short development process would allow the SM-6 to be qualified for Super Hornet use by 2020.

There are some additional benefits beyond providing a counter to the emerging long-range cruise missile bomber threat. At first instance, the SM-6 would provide a much longer range air-to-air missile than the AIM-120D and help to bridge the gap between the AIM-120D and the longest ranged Chinese and Russian AAMs that are either in development or newly in service. The SM-6 would also provide a more effective anti-ship weapon to the Super Hornet. Notwithstanding, it is a smaller warhead than the Harpoon, the SM-6 provides a much larger kinetic punch than the subsonic AGM-84 Harpoon due to its Mach 4 speed, is more survivable against modern CIWS systems due to its high speed and has a longer range. If the SM-6 were to be acquired in large quantities for airborne use, the per unit cost of the missiles would drop dramatically and allow the missile to be purchased in larger quantities for use in the original SAM role. Additionally, the employment of the SM-6 on the Super Hornet would allow potentially allow for the Super Hornet to widen the engagement range of a carrier strike group in the BMD role.
https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2018/03/01/giving_the_super_hornet_more_punch_think_sm-6_113137.html

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KungPao -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/21/2021 1:16:25 PM)


Indonesian submarine goes missing north of Bali

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56829278




DESRON420 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (4/23/2021 3:18:28 PM)

The GAO analysis of the USN Dec 2020 shipbuilding plan has been released. By the mid-2020s adjusted shipbuilding spending is higher than the Cold War average! No wonder it was greeted with derision.




Bashkire -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (5/4/2021 1:08:03 AM)

Two new patrol boats announced for the Royal Navy - HM Ships Dagger and Cutlass.

They'll be based in Gibraltar, will have speeds up to and including 40 knots, and will be armed with 3 7.62mm GPMGs and have the option to swap those out for .50 cal HMGs.




Blast33 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (5/19/2021 10:39:40 AM)

ΙΝS Lahav, currently the most powerful warship of the #IsraeliNavy (equipped with Barak-8 SAM and ELTA's MF-STAR/ELM-2248), with Iron Dome system on the flight deck in order to provide protection to the southern gas fields.

These are probably not in your standard CMO Sa'ar-5 weapon loadout..
https://twitter.com/D__Mitch/status/1393543357834596355



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Blast33 -> RE: Re: Naval and Defence News (5/22/2021 3:05:28 PM)

Will the Vulcano break the supremacy of the guided missiles?

https://navalpost.com/vulcano-restores-the-importance-of-gun-systems/
The engagement types, methods, and tactics have been evolving in accordance with developing technology. Large gun systems, which dominated the naval warfare scene for decades, began to be replaced by different types of guided missiles. Because now, enemies can be detected from greater distances, position and movement information can be transferred beyond the horizon, and targets that are too far to be seen with the eye can be engaged with high accuracy.

This situation pushed the cannon systems into the background of naval warfare. With some exceptions, gun systems began to be seen as more defensive than offensive because the gun systems range was much lower than the guided missiles. However, the smart ammunition solution produced by Leonardo and BAE Systems company with the Vulcano model began to change this situation.

Offering significantly greater range and precision, the new munition is compatible with the most land and naval platforms, including 155mm and 5-inch (127mm) gun systems to defeat land and sea threats. The Vulcano family capitalizes on new and emerging technology based on a fin-stabilized airframe with canard control for extended range and terminal guidance, with mechanical interfaces like standard ammunition.

Following the remarkable results achieved in the development of the Vulcano Program, the Italian Navy General Staff and Oto Melara are jointly investigating the feasibility of integrating GPS and IR guidance technology onboard. Vulcano allows “launch and forget” operations, responding to split fire distribution requirements: a further target can be engaged with no need to wait for lethality assessment on the previous target.

As a guided projectile, the fin-stabilized munition offers autonomous GPS/INS guidance, practically doubling the range of current gun systems. When engaging fixed land-based targets or surface targets at sea, the new projectile enables even small vessels to engage targets with high precision at a high rate of fire. The new capability will allow small littoral combat ships, frigates, or gunboats to dominate a vast coastal area from a stand-off distance, out of the range of new medium-range anti-ship coastal defense missiles, rockets or artillery.

Vulcano uses common guided or unguided projectiles, fitted with a new multi-modal RF microwave fuse offering altimetric (airburst), proximity (against aerial, naval, and surface targets), or delayed impact (penetrating) and self-destruct modes. Employing the optimal fusing method enables the five-kilogram pre-fragmented warhead made of a tungsten-steel compound to provide twice the lethality of existing rounds at 80% of the weight.



Vulcano:
“VULCANO” is a family of unguided (BER) and guided (GLR) ammunition for the 76mm, 127mm naval guns, and 155mm land artillery systems.

VULCANO 127mm ammunition is conceived to give the 127/54 C and the 127/64 LW Naval Guns the capability to meet any present and future Precision Naval Fire requirement Support and Long Range engagement of Surface Targets.

vulcano
An Infographic Of Vulcano Munition
VULCANO 127mm BER maintains the anti-air role as well.
VULCANO 127mm rounds capitalize on new and emerging technology-based upon a fin-stabilized airframe with canard control for terminal guidance; mechanical interfaces are the same as standard 127mm ammunition.

VULCANO 127mm available rounds are:

Ballistic Extended Range (BER) unguided multirole ammunition with multi-function programmable fuze;
Guided Long Range (GLR)ammunition with IR sensor for the anti-ship role;
Guided Long Range (GLR)ammunition with IMU+GPS autonomous guidance for precise NFS actions (a Semi-Active Laser sensor can be fitted as an option).
vulcano
127 Mm Gun
Firing VULCANO 127mm ammunition does not affect the barrel life.

Configurations of the Munition
BER (Ballistic Extended Range)

Unguided multipurpose ammunition
▪ Up to 60Km range
▪ Multifunctional Fuze
– Altimetric
– Proximity
– Time
– Impact/delayed impact
▪ Notched HE warhead

GLR (Guided Long Range/IR)

▪ Up to 80Km range
▪ Autonomous IMU+GPS guidance
▪ IR Terminal guidance
▪ Precise anti-ship firing
▪ Notched HE warhead

GLR (Guided Long Range)

Guided ammunition for NFS
▪ Up to 100Km range
▪ Autonomous IMU+GPS guidance
▪ Precise shore bombardment firing
▪ Notched HE warhead
▪ SAL terminal guidance(optional)

Ship integration
Any equipment to operate Vulcano ammunition is integrated into gun
control cabinet including:
▪ Guidance Control Unit
▪ Programming device for ammo initialization
▪ Digital interface with ship data transfer system

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