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thewood1 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/22/2016 4:38:35 AM)

Some people never learn...




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/22/2016 5:18:22 AM)

British's new future SSBN will be named as HMS Dreadnought.

http://newatlas.com/successor-ballistic-nuclear-sub-dreadnought/46057/
https://youtu.be/TcTQaI3FJ_o

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As work begins on Britain's next generation of nuclear ballistic missile submarines, the first in the class has been given an historic name. The Queen today gave the royal assent for the largest-ever Royal Navy submarine to be christened HMS Dreadnought – the ninth vessel to carry the name in over 450 years. The date of the naming was chosen to mark Trafalgar Day and the 56th anniversary of the launching of the first British nuclear submarine, also named Dreadnought.

The new Dreadnought is the first of four boats in the Successor class intended to replace the aging Vanguard ballistic missile submarines, which carry Britain's Independent Nuclear Deterrent (IND) that sees at least one nuclear-armed boat at sea at all times. After Parliament approved construction in July, the first steel was cut by BAE Systems at Barrow-in-Furness on October 5, though preliminary work has been underway for over two years on various components to avoid production delays.

Dreadnought's design is based on the Astute attack submarine as a way to keep down cost and avoid any relearning processes. When completed, it will be 152.9 m (502 ft) long, displace 17,200 tonnes (19,000 tons), and will include a number of RN submarine firsts, including a full-time doctor, gym, day/night lighting, and women's accommodations.

Dreadnought will carry US-built Trident D5 missiles in the US/UK Common Missile Compartment consisting of 12 missile compartments, with 8 missiles and 40 British designed and built nuclear warheads on MIRV vehicles. What the spare four tubes will carry is classified. Power will come courtesy of a Rolls-Royce PWR3 nuclear reactor and though Dreadnought will be in service from 2028 until the 2050s, it will never need refueling during that time. In fact, the boat isn't even designed for such a thing.

When commissioned, Dreadnought will be the ninth to carry the name since the days of Queen Elizabeth. The first was captained by Sir Francis Drake and saw action against the Spanish Armada, and a later one fought at the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805, where Admiral Lord Nelson defeated the combined French and Spanish fleets.

The most famous Dreadnought was the sixth, which entered service in 1906. The brainchild of Admiral "Jacky" Fisher, this Dreadnought was the first modern battleship and gave her name to an enter type of ship. Her heavy armor, 12-in guns, and 21 knots (24 mph, 39 km/h) of speed made all other warships at the time obsolete and sparked a frenzied arms race among the great powers.

The eighth Dreadnought was Britain's first nuclear submarine and served until 1980 as an experimental and trials boat. Construction stirred tremendous controversy at the time when the US Admiral Hyman Rickover angrily opposed providing the British with the American submarine reactor that was installed in Dreadnought.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/23/2016 2:42:31 AM)

Here is a video on the Russian Caspian Fleet from January.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSWflAEbe2g

Did not find an earlier post here. Mentions the Don-Volga Canal. Also, the fleet's organic air defense is weak relying on shore SAMs.
Lot of energy assets nearby. I notice the Suez canal is delineated in Command but I do not see the Don-Volga Canal - not that I should.

Bit more from Sept. :
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2016/09/caspian-sea-ownership-not-an-issue-the-us-should-ignore




AlGrant -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/25/2016 3:00:11 PM)

U.S releases it's plan for maintaining air superiority in the future:
http://www.af.mil/Portals/1/documents/airpower/Air%20Superiority%202030%20Flight%20Plan.pdf

"The U.S. Air Combat Command (ACC) will embark on an 18-month analysis of leap-ahead air superiority fighter options next January, as eight nations move forward with development of a dozen different fifth-generation combat jets aimed at narrowing the U.S.’s lead with the Lockheed Martin F-22 and F-35."

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Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/26/2016 11:40:13 AM)

NATO classified RS-28 as Satan 2. Russian designation is Sarmat.

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http://newatlas.com/rs28-sarmat-satan-2-russian-icbm/46127/

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Russia has moved to update its nuclear arsenal with an extreme-range, massive payload ICBM designed specifically to defeat anti-missile systems. Capable of traversing the planet's poles and blowing up Texas in one hit, meet the RS-28 Sarmat, or Satan 2.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has been very clear about how he sees his country's situation. Circled by NATO forces and "oh no that's just for defending Europe from Iran" nuclear missile silos, he believes Russia's nuclear capabilities are threatened by a belligerent US foreign policy. "How can you not understand," he admonished a group of journalists recently, "that the world is being pulled in an irreversible direction?"

"Major global conflicts have been avoided in the past few decades, due to the geostrategic balance of power which used to exist … I don't know how this is all going to end. What I do know is that we will need to defend ourselves and I even know how they will package this as 'Russian aggression' again. But this is simply our response to your actions. Is it not obvious that I must guarantee the safety of our people?"

Just a little sobering background, then, for today's announcement: Russia has released the first photos of its new intercontinental ballistic missile, the RS-28 Sarmat, which has some truly extraordinary capabilities that are well worthy of its NATO nickname: Satan 2.

Weighing in at over 100 tons, the RS-28 will be a silo-launchable missile with extreme range capability. It's designed to be able to fly around the North or South poles, to attack targets from unexpected directions, with a maximum range around 10,000 kilometers (6214 miles). It's not slow, either, maxing out at more than Mach 20, or some 15,220 mph (24,500 km/h). That's about seven times faster than the SR-71 Blackbird ever went.

Its payload capacity is an enormous 10 tons, allowing it to carry up to 10 heavy warheads at a time, or massive amounts of missile defense countermeasures to help stop it getting shot down by anti-missile systems. In theory, according to Russia's Sputnik magazine, it could pack enough of a nuclear punch to destroy a land mass the size of Texas, or France, in one hit.

Satan 2 has been specifically designed to penetrate North American missile defense systems, and according to Russian officials it has been developed as a direct response to the USA's Prompt Global Strike system, which gives America the ability to deploy non-nuclear missile strikes anywhere on the planet within one hour.

The RS-28 project has been in the pipeline since contracts between the Russian government and the Makeyev Rocket Design bureau were signed in 2011. Originally expected to debut in 2020, timelines have been moved up to a 2018 deployment, and some sources are saying Russia expects the Satan 2 to constitute nearly all of Russia's land-based nuclear arsenal as soon as 2021.

Many of us are too young to remember what it was like living in the Cold War era, where nuclear tensions between the Soviet Union and the USA were at boiling point and the world seemed to be on the brink of apocalypse.

But behind the bizarro-world dog and pony show of the 2016 US elections there seems to be a very real sense that the world's two largest nuclear superpowers are getting ready to butt heads in a big way over a number of geopolitical hotspots - Syria being the biggest of the bunch.

Here's hoping common sense prevails, and this new era of nuclear brinksmanship ends the way the last one did – with a whimper, not a bang. And certainly not a bang the size of Texas.




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/26/2016 12:50:28 PM)

Chinese JSOW-ER like extended range stealth AGM presented at the Zhuhai Airshow 2016.

That weapon could be the powered variant of the GB-6/TL-500 gliding aerial dispenser, which is already being tested onboard the J-16 Strike Flanker:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4049398

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Along with the new CM-102 ARM, which would eventually replace the YJ-91/Kh-31 ARM.

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Let's wait till November 3rd to get some stats.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/26/2016 3:45:54 PM)

And in naval news re: the Mediterranean ...

http://www.unian.info/world/1584252-egypt-sold-mistral-battleships-to-russia-for-usd-1-polish-defense-minister.html





thewood1 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/26/2016 9:21:11 PM)

An old idea renewed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/10/26/irans-navy-unveils-suicide-drone/92761598/

Something looks really odd about that shape. It just doesn't look like the wings or engines are to scale.




ExNusquam -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/26/2016 9:22:56 PM)

The Mistral story seems like BS, considering that both the Russian MoD and the Egyptians have denied it.

See: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610211046595583-egypt-russia-mistral/

And: http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2016/10/22/565921/

Additionally, considering these articles are dated 5 days ago, if such an event had occurred, I would expect there to be an official statement from the US or the French, and I couldn't find any.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/27/2016 2:45:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thewood1

An old idea renewed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/10/26/irans-navy-unveils-suicide-drone/92761598/

Something looks really odd about that shape. It just doesn't look like the wings or engines are to scale.

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Something looks really odd about that shape. It just doesn't look like the wings or engines are to scale.


Thewood1 and I could put something like that together over the weekend. I was always a bit concerned about the use of radio controlled planes for short range bombs and murder weapons even before drones were all over the news. My wife got nervous the day the Hobby Lobby catalog showed up back in the 90's and out it went.




Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/27/2016 5:54:56 PM)

First three new jammers Il-22PP "Porubschik" based on Il-18
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Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/27/2016 5:55:44 PM)

oops repost , sorry




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/27/2016 10:56:49 PM)

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2016/october-2016-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/4526-china-to-start-construction-on-1st-type-075-lhd-amphibious-assault-ship-for-plan-soon.html

China to Start Construction on 1st Type 075 LHD Amphibious Assault Ship for PLAN Soon





Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/28/2016 6:11:47 PM)

PLA Army took the FK-3 SAM and now named it HQ-22

HQ-22 medium range SAM displays on Zhuhai Airshow 2016. When a system receives the "HQ" ("Hong Qi" = Red Flag) designation, it is officially a deployed system.

As I understand, the evolution was basically like: HQ-2 (S-75 Dvina) -> HQ-12 -> HQ-22

Why would the PLA want a 2nd medium range SAM when they already have the HQ-16/B? Because of the ceiling of 27km. The HQ-16/B has 18k-20km ceiling. Also, range increase from 50/70km to 100km.

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Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/28/2016 8:29:19 PM)

J-20 is now officially declassified [:D]

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2016-10/28/content_39588563.htm

J-20 stealth fighter confirmed for China air show

The People's Liberation Army Air Force will demonstrate its latest J-20 stealth fighter jet at an arms show next week, Senior Colonel Shen Jinke, PLA Air Force spokesman, said at a news conference on Friday morning.

"The J-20 was designed by our aircraft researchers for future aerial combat. Test pilots from the Air Force will use it to perform at the 11th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition," Shen said.

The biennial six-day event, commonly known as the Zhuhai Air Show, starts on Tuesday in the coastal city of Zhuhai, in South China's Guangdong province.

China conducted the maiden flight of the J-20 in January 2011 and has produced 10 prototypes. It is believed to be the third stealth fighter jet to enter service following the United States' F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II stealth warplanes.

This is the first time the Chinese military has confirmed the existence of the J-20, which was developed and made by Aviation Industry Corp of China.




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/29/2016 7:13:50 PM)

YJ-12 for export, designated CM-302.

CM-302 seems to be different from the YJ-12 in as much that its booster stage is integrated/non-removable, bringing the missile's length to well over 8m. The YJ-12 deployed by the PLA is estimated to be 6.3 meters, with the booster-stage removable.

Thrust-vectoring-control is now confirmed (which is a rare thing for a cruise missile), that would support the rumored high-G evasive capability of the YJ-12/CM-302.

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PLAN deployed YJ-12 for comparisson; no integrated booster:

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Gneckes -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/29/2016 7:40:58 PM)

What might be the reason for integrating the booster on the export version? Easier maintenance for foreign customers maybe?




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/29/2016 8:06:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Gneckes

What might be the reason for integrating the booster on the export version? Easier maintenance for foreign customers maybe?



Good ideas. I would think so too.

Have to wait for the info in the placard to be revealed.




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/30/2016 4:05:03 PM)

M-20/DF-12 "Sino-Iskander" at the Airshow.

Finally a clear look at that weapon.

Suppossedly, it can perform evasive maneuvers (pull up maneuvers) to defeat ABM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40hMBjle9WU

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Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/30/2016 4:44:07 PM)

New long range naval SAM successfully tested onboard a PLAn test ship. Seems to be cold-launched.
From a recent TV news report:
http://tv.cctv.com/2016/10/27/VIDE6Kr4YB2cl3dY3dSxByHM161027.shtml

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It is said that this SAM will be equipped on the Type 055 Cruiser only, as it needs the full 9m deep VLS variant.

Seeing the fuzzy pictures; it makes sense. The booster-stage looks big. Bigger in relation to the missile's body than it is even on the SM-3...

Shape wise, I can make out some sort of mid-body fins that makes it look like the USN Standard Missile series.

Could be the long rumored HQ-8 ultra long range SAM, which was only known from papers so far...





Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/30/2016 5:42:00 PM)

What's in the images the test-launching ship launching suppossed HQ-8?




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/30/2016 6:35:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

What's in the images the test-launching ship launching suppossed HQ-8?


Well, the super large booster stage initially made me think that this could be the sea-borne ABM system that was rumored to be under development. But comparing it to the booster of the SM-3, which does not take almost 90% of the missile's size like that new mystery missile, makes me think that such a large booster might be excessive for an ABM missile - after all, the missile "only" needs to get into low earth orbit. Afterwards, you dont need boosters or traditional rocket engines anymore for exoatmospheric flight and intercept.

But such a super large booster might be useful if you want to have a really really long range for intercepts within the atmosphere... And the only project that we know that would fit the bill would be the HQ-8 ultra long range SAM, which is suppossed to have up to 500km range while maintaining an average speed of Mach 4 all around.

In the paper for the long range SAM, a graph describes that the missile utilizes a trajectory where it will first climb to 40km altitude before descending back into atmosphere to intercept some target that is 500km away flying at 15km altitude. For such a flight profile one probably need such a booster.

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Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/30/2016 11:10:40 PM)

Great explanation, thanks Hongjian.




Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/30/2016 11:11:05 PM)

Interesting article in modern naval radars: http://www.academia.edu/20424662/Waveforms_for_the_Waves




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/31/2016 5:16:24 PM)

Footage of the new SAM testing at 7:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3utQdH3JJB8

Also, it seems like a surface launched YJ-12 or CM-302 with added booster was tested in that same instance (7:50).

For that, a clearer picture exists:

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EDIT:

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2016/october-2016-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/4543-first-picture-of-china-s-new-yj-12a-anti-ship-missile-during-launch-revealed.html

Navy Reco has added it.

Looks like the surface launched YJ-12 is called YJ-12A.

They give the dimensions as following:

"Finally the missile would be about 6,3 meters long with a diameter below 0,756 meters."

Probably for the shorter air-launched one.





mikmykWS -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/31/2016 6:03:42 PM)

We've gotten a flood of new things to add to the db as of late but will need to sort out the details.

Mike




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/31/2016 9:11:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

We've gotten a flood of new things to add to the db as of late but will need to sort out the details.

Mike



Note that I'm not typically making requests in the Naval and Defense thread, as these are only news, clues and rumors.

When their deployment status have been confirmed in one form or another, I'd do a seperate request in the DB3000.




Tailhook -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/31/2016 10:00:22 PM)

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ATACMS to get anti-ship capabilities

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WASHINGTON — The Strategic Capabilities Office believes it can upgrade the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) weapon to allow it to strike moving targets on both land and water, Pentagon officials announced Friday.

The program is under the purview of the Strategic Capabilities Office (SCO), which has also apparently advanced swarming drone technologies for both the air and sea domains, although details on just what that advancement is remains unclear.

Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies’ forum on the third offset, Secretary of Defense Ash Carter was the first to mention the ATACMS upgrade.

“By integrating an existing seeker onto the front of the missile, they’re enabling it to hit moving targets, both on land and at sea,” Carter said. “With this capability, what was previously an Army surface-to-surface missile system can project power from coastal locations up to 300 kilometers into the maritime domain.”

...

He added that the program has been underway for more than a year and is probably still a year away from testing. How much that testing costs will depend on how many live shots the Army desires, Roper noted. He also acknowledged that the idea for the program was partly related to concerns about using weapons in GPS-denied locations.

“Right now, GPS is a singular option for many of our weapons. In the future I want to try and make every weapon have multiple options to get to the end game, and having a seeker is a secondary way to do that aside from GPS,” he said.

...

“You just don’t talk about your best capabilities, plain and simple. So one of the things we have to remember, which we did well in the Cold War, is having a good balance about the capabilities we show to the world for deterrence” versus what is kept hidden, he said. “We are keeping our best ideas behind the door, and probably always will, because what we owe to our future operators is an unfair fight.”

That is in comparison for why Carter decided to bring the ATACMS program, still in a fairly early stage, to light. With the Army program, Roper noted that several top officials, including Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley and US Pacific Command head Adm. Harry Harris had expressed the belief that the Army need to be able to provide cross-domain fires in the future. "




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/1/2016 1:19:54 AM)

Oh man.

Pretty ironical. Werent they suppossed to be a bad idea just yesterday?




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (11/1/2016 4:39:51 AM)

J-20 x2 acrobatics @ Zhuhai Air Show 2016

https://youtu.be/30uk2vDfaL0

Update: 720p footage by observers:

https://youtu.be/YluqLUJ1OmE




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