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Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 10:05:44 AM)

14/10/2016 , Severomorsk
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xavierv -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 10:48:18 AM)

MBDA' Sea Venom/Anti-Navire Leger (ANL) Antiship Missile Testing Well On Track
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Testing of Sea Venom/Anti-Navire Leger (ANL) anti-ship missile (a key UK-French program) is well on track, Navy Recognition learned from European missile company MBDA. The first jettison test of the missile from a DGA (French defense procurement agency) helicopter took place in December 2015 in Cazaux. We were told that the first live test firing should take place "in a few months" while full development of the missile is expected to be completed in 2018.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4434



bpstalker -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 11:11:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

US struck 3 radar sites. Weak response as usual.


this reminds me to proportional response part in the west wing season 1



ExNusquam -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 12:40:27 PM)

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14/10/2016 , Severomorsk


So the Kuznetsov has sortied...Probably a 2 week transit to Syria? It will be interesting to see how the Russians integrate it's airwing into their ATO. Also, assuming they use it, will this be the combat debut of the AS-20?



mikmykWS -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 1:30:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

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Response was perfect. Precision strikes on relevant targets. I'm hoping they'll hit the arms dumps too that might be storing the missiles. Mike





The response was so perfect that they shot another missile the next day at the same ship.

Can someone explain to me:
1. Are the Saudi ground forces so small or weak that they cant go on any offensive? Or even defend their own territory from the Houthis?


They've been doing well defending their territory but haven't actually made any statements as to what their war objectives actually are other than to defeat the Houthis. They're definitely a strong and capable enough military to meet reasonable objectives. Keep in mind that Yemen's terrain is very rough and gives the defender a tremendous advantage. The British fought there in the 1960's and weren't exactly all in either.

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2. Why hasn't the West (in conjunction with Arab allies) done something about controlling the bottleneck area?...ie...why are the Houthis allowed to control Perim Island (Mayyun) in the Red Sea bottleneck, and have an army base adjacent at Bab-el-Mandeb???

See the Yemeni Civil War up to date active template:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Yemeni_Civil_War_detailed_map



To be fair the west has a lot on its hands if you consider Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, and possible Russian aggression in Ukraine. They do however value their role in securing the global commons and nobody is going to support anybody attacking ships in a vital straight for too long. My sense is we just need to wait and see but what is going on is the start. USS Ponce is a special warfare mothership and its no accident its there.

Mike



jtoatoktoe -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 1:57:09 PM)

Good article on the Mason's defense over the past week. Confirms the Wednesday attack was defeated by SAM's.

http://www.stripes.com/news/aegis-defense-system-helped-stop-missile-attack-on-uss-mason-1.433974



mikmykWS -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 2:03:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jtoatoktoe

Good article on the Mason's defense over the past week. Confirms the Wednesday attack was defeated by SAM's.

http://www.stripes.com/news/aegis-defense-system-helped-stop-missile-attack-on-uss-mason-1.433974


An nice. Some clarity starting to appear[:)] OODA at work folks.

Mike



thewood1 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 3:18:56 PM)

This is a press release from Lockheed, so take it for what its worth.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/f-35-aegis-combat-system-124500423.html

I found the most interesting aspect is the LLS-1 land-based ship. I wonder how fast it can go. But it does show the US commitment to the connected combat environment.



Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 5:30:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ExNusquam


So the Kuznetsov has sortied...

Tomorrow.

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It will be interesting to see how the Russians integrate it's airwing into their ATO. Also, assuming they use it, will this be the combat debut of the AS-20?

combat debut for Kh-35U already happened with Su-34 in Syria

More likely this will be hundreds of OFAB-250-270 from eight Su-33 with SVP-24-33 "Gefest" upgrade

Mig-29K more likely will use Kh-38 and KAB-500 family
so far on "Kuznetsov" recently seen:
Mig-29K 6 (№ 31,33,37,38,46,49)
Mig-29KUB 3 (№ 50,51,53)
how many will go to Syria is interesting question

what is interesting is Ka-52K on "Kuznetsov", according to rumors they also can use Kh-38 and Kh-35 missile
so we will see how it goes


Su-33 and Mig-29 on deck:
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severe7 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 6:08:07 PM)

Someone on reddit claiming to be on a Burke DDG stated that the standard operating procedure is to always run with full SLQ-32 EW capability turned on outside of port. Is this really true? It sounds stupid to have such a sensitive system always online for every potential adversary to study, and wouldn't it be dangerous to jam radars around a ship in peace time?



gosnold -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 9:15:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: severe7

Someone on reddit claiming to be on a Burke DDG stated that the standard operating procedure is to always run with full SLQ-32 EW capability turned on outside of port. Is this really true? It sounds stupid to have such a sensitive system always online for every potential adversary to study, and wouldn't it be dangerous to jam radars around a ship in peace time?


Turned on with full capabilities does not necessarily mean it is emitting: it could be in auto mode, and starts jamming when it detects a threat. That's feasible if the false alarm rate is low.



redcoat -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 9:17:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ExNusquam
... the Houthi's have poor coordination in their CDCM C2 systems and either launched out of range or engaged the wrong vessels (Much like MV Moonlight was hit when Hezbollah engaged the INS Hanit).


I have heard it suggested that the Houthis - or rather pro-Saleh forces allied to them - fired the first two missiles in the belief that they were attacking hostile Saudi or UAE warships. The Houthi-Saleh Government has said all along that they would target Saudi and UAE ships stopping and searching ships coming into their ports. These searches - along with the bombing of civilian targets by Saudi aircraft - are contributing to the famine in Yemen.



Cheechako -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 9:29:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thewood1

This is a press release from Lockheed, so take it for what its worth.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/f-35-aegis-combat-system-124500423.html

I found the most interesting aspect is the LLS-1 land-based ship. I wonder how fast it can go. But it does show the US commitment to the connected combat environment.


Pretty sure that just means it's an onshore AEGIS testing facility.

Speaking of VLS, https://news.usni.org/2016/10/13/vertical-launch-system-san-antonio-amphibs

Now, if there was a way to tie these VLS into NIFC-CA so that you have the engagement processing being done by a DDG/CG with AEGIS and being fed target data by the E-2D or a F-35 and using the VLS cells in a San Antonio nearby... that would be pretty cool. At the very least, LPD VLSs with TACMs or LRASMs would certainly give the Navy more options and free up a few VLS on DDG/CG. Also, ESSM block2s with an active seeker could extend the self defense range of the LPD by quite a bit.



thewood1 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/14/2016 11:38:42 PM)

Yeah, figured that out myself. Haven't seen too many ships in the deserts of the US.



Gneckes -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/15/2016 3:13:55 AM)

German Navy to order an additional five K130-class Corvettes: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/fuenf-neue-korvetten-fuer-die-bundeswehr-14481903.html



Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/15/2016 9:36:55 AM)

Very interesting official briefing for fishing vessels and ferries in the current Joint Warrior 16-2 exercise in Scotland (a pity only the MCM ships are named, but a lot of intersting operational details, including sea grid use in submarine operations): http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/qhm/clyde/documents/20160928-jw162-brief-for-fishing-vessels-and-ferries-u-sosm-v2.pdf?la=en-gb



Triode -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/15/2016 3:59:12 PM)

So, Kuznetsov KAG:
pr. 11435 "Kuznetsov"
pr. 11442 "Petr Velikiy"
pr. 1155 "Severomorsk"
pr. 1155 "Admiral Kulakov"
pr. 1559V "Sergei Osipov"
pr. R-5757"Nikolai Chiker"

traditionally nothing about submarines

also there is two pr. 20381 ship in North Sea waiting for someone
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they can wait for "Kuznetsov" KAG or for pair of 21361 (Zelenyy Dol, Serpukhov) that go to Baltic Fleet or, of course they can have their own party



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/15/2016 4:44:15 PM)

Damn, even the Petr Velikiy? A damn powerful fleet, I must say.



Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/15/2016 6:25:30 PM)

But the "opposition" is ready and probably on the sea: http://www.islandnewsandadvertiser.co.uk/countdown-begins-unmanned-warrior-exercise-benbecula-stornoway-applecross-kyle-lochalsh/



jtoatoktoe -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/16/2016 12:09:34 AM)

U.S.S. Mason again attacked today. Again missed.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/uss-mason-fired-again-coast-yemen-officials-n666971



kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/16/2016 12:25:25 AM)

Thanks for the heads up.

Ya know ... eventually ... someone is gonna get POed.

Edit: thewood1 translated correctly my mild locker room talk.



Gneckes -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/16/2016 1:41:06 AM)

POed?



thewood1 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/16/2016 1:42:55 AM)

pissed off



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/16/2016 4:26:56 AM)

Zumwalt is ready.

http://newatlas.com/uss-zumwalt-commissioned/45939/



kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/16/2016 4:43:17 AM)

Can only hope she is part of Fleet Week next Memorial Day but she might be a tad busy.



Broncepulido -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/16/2016 9:46:00 AM)

Probably HMS Duncan and Richmond to shadow Russian aircraft carrier group passage: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3839451/Royal-Navy-intercept-Russian-warship-fleet-heading-English-Channel-practises-bombing-raids-near-Scotland-ahead-Syrian-mission.html



Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/16/2016 10:09:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

Probably HMS Duncan and Richmond to shadow Russian aircraft carrier group passage: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3839451/Royal-Navy-intercept-Russian-warship-fleet-heading-English-Channel-practises-bombing-raids-near-Scotland-ahead-Syrian-mission.html

Both Dailymail and Yahoo UK keyboard warriors find RN and RAF over-reacting, how interesting they say that after Brexit.

Though caution and monitoring are needed, just the media's response make it sounds like a very big deal.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/17/2016 2:30:45 AM)

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Ya know ... eventually ... someone is gonna get POed.


Yeah...that would be the ship captains and their crews. Anyone higher up doesn't care.



hellfish6 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/17/2016 5:18:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

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Ya know ... eventually ... someone is gonna get POed.


Yeah...that would be the ship captains and their crews. Anyone higher up doesn't care.


Thanks, Obama!

lol



Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (10/17/2016 7:32:49 PM)

Finally we see the Type 055's bow module in Shanghai Jiangnang-Changxing Shipyard!

According to the earlier images, it seems that the rumors are confirmed: The Type 055 will have several significant RCS reduction features, like a Lafayette-styled enclosed deck and bow.


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