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redcoat -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/18/2018 2:38:39 PM)


Russia’s TASS News Agency has reported that Russia has started to deliver its S-400 surface-to-air missile system to China under the terms of a contract signed in 2014.

http://tass.com/defense/985601




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/18/2018 4:57:35 PM)

"Moscow’s deployment on Saturday added a second division of S-400 surface-to-air missiles in Crimea, which Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014, triggering economic sanctions by the European Union and United States.

It deployed its first division of S-400s in the spring of 2017 near the port town of Fedosia. The new division will be based next to the town of Sevastopol and will control the airspace over the border with Ukraine, the RIA news agency reported."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-crimea/u-s-warily-eyeing-new-russian-air-defenses-in-crimea-idUSKBN1F521E?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ebb-1-17&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/20/2018 2:27:13 AM)

Seems like the first shipment of S-400 to China suffered damages due to storm.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/20/2018 2:49:48 AM)

Admiral Harris declared China as ‘disruptive power’, as well as to considering Indian officials’ statement that the Belt And Road (OBOR) is a potential platform for Chinese military projections:

http://www.ecoti.in/aEBJRa




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/20/2018 12:48:29 PM)

https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/954656768004681729

6th Type 071 LPD launched this morning.

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT-fLXeXcAASRJE.jpg[/image]




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/21/2018 4:02:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Seems like the first shipment of S-400 to China suffered damages due to storm.


http://maritimebulletin.net/2018/01/19/russian-freighter-nikifor-begichev-with-s-400-missiles-troubled-in-english-canal/




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/21/2018 9:22:23 AM)

https://twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/955020909152260097

China's newly built "T-AGOS"-like ocean surveillance ship undergoing sea-trials.
This one would strengthen the PLAN's ASW capability due to its new SURTASS equipment.

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUDoyJrXUAE7Dzr.jpg[/image]




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/21/2018 3:59:23 PM)

https://twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/955011946931245056

Two Divine Eagle UAVs (large size twin body HALE UAVs believed to be equipped with UHF-band AESA for counter-stealth role) and three Soar Dragon UAVs (medium size "box-wing" HALE UAV, equipped with SAR and IRST for territorial patrol and recently spotted near Sino-Indian border during the 2017 Doklam standoff) spotted in Anshun Airbase.

Rumors indicate that the Divine Eagle will soon be inducted in PLAAF service, following the Soar Dragon that was introduced somewhere between 2014 to 2016.

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUDf3R1XcAA-5ob.jpg[/image]




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/21/2018 5:25:44 PM)

http://www.janes.com/article/75700/china-s-beihang-unmanned-aircraft-system-technology-unveils-tyw-1-strike-capable-uav

Armed and sensor enhanced variants of the BZK-005 Sea Eagle UAV unveiled.

[image]http://www.janes.com/images/assets/700/75700/p1711841.jpg[/image]




redcoat -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/21/2018 9:35:20 PM)


The Chinese government on Saturday accused the U.S. of trespassing in its territorial waters when a U.S. guided missile destroyer sailed near a disputed shoal in the South China Sea. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said China would take “necessary measures” to protect its sovereignty after the USS Hopper sailed within 12 nautical miles of Scarborough Shoal on Wednesday evening.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/01/20/china-says-us-warship-violated-sovereignty-near-scarborough/




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/22/2018 9:16:35 AM)

Interestingly, some medias mis-reported it as China is now reclaiming the shoal. Philippine officials has reported that China has not touching it yet:

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/826105/no-chinese-reclamation-at-scarborough-shoal-dnd




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/22/2018 12:30:42 PM)

Complicated situation heating up based on this report ...

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/turkey-says-ground-forces-push-syria-kurdish-militia-093722385.html

More on China's S400s:

http://www.atimes.com/article/chinas-new-missiles-likely-threaten-taiwan/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ebb%2001.22.18&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

Curiously, the last paragraph mentions them used in a "pre-emptive strike." Does Taiwan maintain a large 24/7 CAP?




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/23/2018 2:37:34 AM)

And finally, the propaganda outlet has spitted at US:

http://en.people.cn/n3/2018/0122/c90000-9418218.html
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/chinas-top-paper-says-u-forcing-china-accelerate-010300785.html




xavierv -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/24/2018 10:22:33 AM)

"Distributed lethality" concept pushed to the extreme

Lockheed Martin Studying Integration of LRASM Anti-Ship Missile on USV Platforms
[img]https://i.imgur.com/O70TfbB.jpg[/img]
quote:

At the Surface Navy Association's (SNA) 2017 National Symposium held last year, Lockheed Martin was showcasing a Mark VI patrol boat scale model fitted with an erectable launcher for four missiles at its stern. This conceptual model was representative of an unmanned Mark VI patrol boat fitted with LRASM next generation anti ship missiles.

more at https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5877-lockheed-martin-studying-integration-of-lrasm-anti-ship-missile-on-usv-platforms.html

USMC & NAVAIR Completes F-35B Sloped Surface Vertical Landing Tests
[img]https://i.imgur.com/qb8Rfw9.jpg[/img]
quote:

The F-35 Patuxent River Integrated Test Force team brings the U.S. Marine Corps’ F-35B one step closer to initial operational test and evaluation as they wrap up testing of the F-35B STOVL envelope with sloped surface vertical landing tests January and February at Marine Corps Auxiliary Landing Field (MCALF) Bogue, N.C.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/january-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/5882-video-usmc-navair-completes-f-35b-sloped-surface-vertical-landing-tests.html

General Dynamics NASSCO Starts Sea Trials of USNS Hershel “Woody” Williams ESB4
[img]https://i.imgur.com/flnh0eD.jpg[/img]
quote:

General Dynamics NASSCO started sea trials for the U.S. Navy’s newest Expeditionary Sea Base, the USNS Hershel “Woody” Williams (ESB 4) on January 17, 2018.USNS Hershel “Woody” Williams is the Navy’s second ESB ship. The 784-foot-long ship will serve as a flexible platform to support a variety of missions, including air mine countermeasures, counter-piracy operations, maritime security and humanitarian missions. The ship will provide for accommodations for up to 250 personnel, a 52,000-square-foot flight deck, fuel and equipment storage, and will also support MH-53 and MH-60 helicopters with an option to support MV-22 tilt-rotor aircraft. Currently nearing the end of construction, the ship will be delivered to the U.S. Navy in February 2018.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/january-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/5869-general-dynamics-nassco-starts-sea-trials-of-usns-hershel-woody-williams-esb4.html




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/25/2018 2:38:58 AM)

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2130058/surveillance-under-sea-how-china-listening-near-guam

Interesting article about Chinese ASW surveillance network near Guam, positioned in the Mariana Trench at challenger depths.

[image]https://cdn2.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/images/methode/2018/01/22/1b0af2a4-ff69-11e7-b181-443655c1d2b1_image_hires_215800.jpg[/image]




Hongjian -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/25/2018 3:03:28 AM)

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2130247/why-americas-stealth-jet-forces-should-fear-chinas-new?utm_content=bufferc6b14&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

An article about the upcoming KJ-600 AEW&C, which seems to be basically an E-2D copy. It would most probably be equipped with long-band radars for counter stealth detection, equally modeling after the Advanced Hawkeye.





kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/25/2018 12:58:50 PM)

Yeah, the tail section seems awfully similar to a novices eye. I always have wondered what advantage that configuration imparts. Stability for the electronics array maybe.




xavierv -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/25/2018 1:11:13 PM)

NSM anti-ship missile to be tested from U.S. Army HEMTT during RIMPAC 2018
[img]https://i.imgur.com/hwLSmlS.jpg[/img]
quote:

At the Surface Navy Association's (SNA) 2018 National Symposium held in January near Washington DC, Navy Recognition learned from Raytheon and Kongsberg that the Naval Strike Missile (NSM) will be test fired from a U.S. Army HEMTT truck during RIMPAC 2018 exercise this summer.

More: https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2018/sna-2018/5891-nsm-anti-ship-missile-to-be-tested-from-hemtt-coastal-battery-during-rimpac-2018.html




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/25/2018 1:18:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Yeah, the tail section seems awfully similar to a novices eye. I always have wondered what advantage that configuration imparts. Stability for the electronics array maybe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_tail

While true, it's more because of the single massive tail will hit the roof of the carrier hangar.




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/25/2018 2:08:28 PM)

Thanks ... in the news today:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17947/navy-orders-development-of-new-air-defense-blasting-missile-that-will-fit-inside-f-35

Excellent text and video on the weapon under development.




orca -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/25/2018 3:53:30 PM)

The U.S. Navy has hired Orbital ATK, now part of Northrop Grumman, to begin formal development of a new missile that can suppress and destroy enemy air defense emitters, known as the the Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range, or AARGM-ER.



http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17947/navy-orders-development-of-new-air-defense-blasting-missile-that-will-fit-inside-f-35

Edit- sorry for duplicate post. Didn’t see that kevinkin beat me to it!




kevinkins -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/25/2018 9:49:16 PM)

No worries .. the video is worth the added attention and most players will enjoy it.

Kevin




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/26/2018 7:35:51 AM)

It's been a while to reconsider VLS-UNREP by US after decades of non-use for the VLS cranes. I wonder are they still want to reload missiles on sea?

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/exclusive-cno-announces-the-return-vertical-launch-system-21425

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Also, a scenario opportunity:

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-fentanyl-crisis-reverse-opium-war-23812

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A prolonged negligence to resolve nuclear weapons proliferation after Trump is in office for a year, resulting the now-closest imminency of Doomsday Clock. Now it has only 2 minutes left.

https://www.cnet.com/news/doomsday-clock-nuclear-war-climate-change/




strykerpsg -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/29/2018 5:32:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Yeah, the tail section seems awfully similar to a novices eye. I always have wondered what advantage that configuration imparts. Stability for the electronics array maybe.

Like most ideas not originated by that country, copy what seems to work. They have done so with the vast majority of their weapons, whether copying Russian, European or US. Why go out on a limb and make something different when the E-2D sets the current standard for quite a few navies.




ExNusquam -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/29/2018 10:43:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: strykerpsg


quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Yeah, the tail section seems awfully similar to a novices eye. I always have wondered what advantage that configuration imparts. Stability for the electronics array maybe.

Like most ideas not originated by that country, copy what seems to work. They have done so with the vast majority of their weapons, whether copying Russian, European or US. Why go out on a limb and make something different when the E-2D sets the current standard for quite a few navies.

It's not so much "copying" as "building something with identical requirements". Go compare the Quest Kodiak to the Cessna Caravan. There's some basics that you're going to end up with regardless of your design process.

The actual tail design comes from the fact that the E-2 is designed to do flat, skidding turns to keep the radar level and improve performance. With an AESA you could electronically level your scan volume, at the expense of power/accuracy (ESAs have a power fall-off as the beam gets further from array normal.




Dysta -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/29/2018 10:43:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: strykerpsg

Like most ideas not originated by that country, copy what seems to work. They have done so with the vast majority of their weapons, whether copying Russian, European or US. Why go out on a limb and make something different when the E-2D sets the current standard for quite a few navies.

Someone will always differ:

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/01/chinas-new-carrier-based-awac-can-detect-stealth-planes-from-over-200-miles-away.html (comment section)

quote:


zardinuk

I don't understand why they copy it piece for piece, couldn't they have used a more modern-looking airframe? It's almost like it's meant to be a slap in the face. They had the opportunity to build a brand new plane and they chose an old aircraft carrier cargo-plane design, that the disc was added to.


Why it has to be an airliner, regional jet or cargo plane as a platform? Especially the new AWACS should heavily empathize survivability when hostile fighters armed with Super-long ranged AAMs will hunt them like elephants.

I found a topic why there's no military try to develop unmanned AWACS, or use supersonic airframe from bombers or even fighters. However , I just realized US already did something very sophisticated for AEW role, and it's called F-35. It doesn't have a whole C&C in a small jet, but networked intelligence should not be a problem.

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-AWACS-planes-not-replaced-by-AWACS-drones




ExNusquam -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/29/2018 10:47:15 AM)

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/preparing-rematch-top-world

Interesting Stratfor piece on airbase improvements by the Indian Air Force and the PLAAF. Does anyone recognize what color composite they're using? To me it almost looks like VNIR in the blue channel.




strykerpsg -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/29/2018 2:33:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ExNusquam


quote:

ORIGINAL: strykerpsg


quote:

ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Yeah, the tail section seems awfully similar to a novices eye. I always have wondered what advantage that configuration imparts. Stability for the electronics array maybe.

Like most ideas not originated by that country, copy what seems to work. They have done so with the vast majority of their weapons, whether copying Russian, European or US. Why go out on a limb and make something different when the E-2D sets the current standard for quite a few navies.

It's not so much "copying" as "building something with identical requirements". Go compare the Quest Kodiak to the Cessna Caravan. There's some basics that you're going to end up with regardless of your design process.

The actual tail design comes from the fact that the E-2 is designed to do flat, skidding turns to keep the radar level and improve performance. With an AESA you could electronically level your scan volume, at the expense of power/accuracy (ESAs have a power fall-off as the beam gets further from array normal.


Fair enough, but there are very few original ideas coming out of China, never has, never will. Just cheaper to steal, copy or re=produce what other countries researched and developed. Every aspect of that airframe screams E-2D, even down to the windows and tail.




thewood1 -> RE: Naval and Defense News (1/29/2018 3:18:37 PM)

"building something with identical requirements"

We've heard this before. Anyone remember the Soviet space shuttle. It looked exactly like the US space shuttle, only scaled up slightly. The above quote is what was used to explain it at the time. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, records showed that the Soviets has managed to get the designs of the space shuttle. And followed them as closely as they could with Soviet manufacturing capabilities.

Don't blame them. Its a hell of a head start to let your enemy do all the heavy lifting. My point is that I don't for a minute think that complex systems design can coincidentally be so similar in design and look.




PaladinZeroSix -> RE: Canadian Resolve-class oiler ‘Asterix’ hits the water (1/29/2018 3:35:12 PM)

I'm surprised no one has posted about this yet....

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to post links yet, but google "Declassified Cold War files reveal how the Soviets sneaked up behind enemy submarines without sonar".




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