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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/8/2016 9:14:05 AM)

Starting to run out of steam here as I discuss the bad. Personally I would rather discuss how brilliant I am rather than highlight the pending Armageddon.

The Armageddon approaching is in the form of the unstoppable USN. The picture below is fairly self explanatory as the US meat grinder smashes a bloody path through everything in its way.



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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/8/2016 9:18:31 AM)

The ugly is quite easy to summarise in stats.

Losses for the IJN in the last 5 days of navy combat with the USN:

- 12 DDs
- 1 CL
- 1 BB

20 other warships moderately damaged requiring yard time.

Despite my best efforts to avoid surface engagements, Mike ruthlessly hunted me down with air and SAGs. He paid a fairly heavy price as well and lost a couple of troop convoys, but in the end he commands the seas and I am off licking my wounds [:(]



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/8/2016 2:25:44 PM)

Take heart NJP, it is only going to get worse.[;)]

You need the KB there to slow Yanks down some.

What does Thailand look like?



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 8:48:08 AM)

Thanks Lowpe

Thailand looks good. Not an allied unit in sight. [:)]

He is just moving on Rangoon now but we have already bugged out.



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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Take heart NJP, it is only going to get worse.[;)]

You need the KB there to slow Yanks down some.

What does Thailand look like?



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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 8:50:45 AM)

DEI- fighting hard here but slowly being overwhelmed.

Kamikazes, MTBs and especially DDs have been taking a toll on the allied shipping including a CVE.

He has brought down his fleet CVs to crush the resistance and unfortunately it will work.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 8:57:11 AM)

Attacking his extended supply lines.

Mike has punched through my lines in a narrow wedge but hasn't had the opportunity nor desire to clear his flanks.

From time to time (after testing his air search coverage with DDs) we manage to slip a SAG or even KB into his amphib shipping and create short term havoc. Materially it doesn't really have an impact but it does cause him to slow down and re-deploy valuable assets on his supply lines.

On its last raid KB hit 50 ships (AKs,APs,DDs, TKs) and sunk about a third.

2 weeks prior to that, I unfortunately tangled by accident, with his fleet CVs around the PIs and lost 200+ aircraft for not one hit! I prefer to go after softer targets!

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 9:00:30 AM)

Mindanao- The lads are hanging tough here and have caused Mike a fair degree of grief over the last couple of months.

They are slowly being battered into submission (especially by BB bombardments) but they still gamely fight on. I think they can hold for another couple of months but their position is now irrelevant as Mike has flanked them.[:(][:(][:(]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 9:06:25 AM)

Disaster!!!!!!

I became complacent/smug on some of Mike's difficulties around Mindanao and the DEI and failed to properly reinforce the PIs.

Sure enough Mike moved quickly to land there once he realised I had failed to properly reinforce adequately. In less than two weeks he demolished my rag tag assorted army and seized the key points. I did commit KB but after one failed assault I went back to raiding his supply lines. I decided to cut my losses and move back to Formosa and importantly not commit any more forces to a lost fight.

Thus far it hasn't impacted my fuel convoys but it is only a matter of time.- Well played by Mike.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 9:14:17 AM)

Russia- goes well and even has surprised me how fragile the Soviets have been. Up North I am rolling them up pretty well and will soon be able to focus on my key objective.

His casualties have been moderate but he is starting to lose a lot of tanks and guns which has got to be good for me. I have one big pocket of cut off Ruskies which I will focus on once I drive his other forces back. His airforce is pretty much dead.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 9:19:56 AM)

Russia Part 2

In the South, Mike has counter attacked and had some local success. However the further he has penetrated his forces have tired and his flanks have become vulnerable. He has a big concentration of inf/armour outside Harbin but no real chance of seizing it. Meanwhile I have commenced counter attacking on his flanks and cutting off his supply. As the weeks progress I am finding my forces are becoming stronger as additional reinforcements arrive whilst the Soviets with supply issues and the losses they have already sustained are becoming quite passive.

If I had some additional divisions (which I do not) I could really roll up his flanks.

Either way very enjoyable and something different.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 9:24:19 AM)

Int screen

Pretty happy here despite the debacle in the PIs. I have a 14K buffer in points which I think I can grow as I eliminate the cut off Soviets.

Rangoon will fall soon but apart from that I should be good for a while.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 9:33:10 AM)

Industry- the critical factor on how long I can resist the onslaught. Tactical victories are irrelevant if the Empire can't feed its loyal servants.[:D]

In summary, so far, so good.

- Approx 2.5 mil supply in HIs

- Approx 4 mil fuel in HIs

The rest of the key stats are captured below. I am currently mass producing thousands of fighters in anticipation of the storm that is coming. The Frank R arrives in June.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 10:18:35 AM)

Air to air fighting against the Soviets.

Time to check in on my favourite sentai who appears to be dedicating itself to wiping out what's left of the Sov airforce by itself.

This was a green unit at the commencement of hostilities against the Russians with no combat experience. After a month and half fighting it has achieved a 27: 1 kill ratio[:D]

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GetAssista -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/19/2016 10:43:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: njp72
He has a big concentration of inf/armour outside Harbin but no real chance of seizing it.

In the open, with dead airforce, and with IJA longing for those joyful days of bombing with impunity. Ouch [:)]



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/20/2016 10:52:01 AM)

Unfortunately his AA guns have been making this an expensive exercise, even at quite high altitudes.

Still he doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast so I will get plenty more practise [:)]


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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

quote:

ORIGINAL: njp72
He has a big concentration of inf/armour outside Harbin but no real chance of seizing it.

In the open, with dead airforce, and with IJA longing for those joyful days of bombing with impunity. Ouch [:)]




Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/20/2016 6:55:59 PM)

Give us a meaty Soviet update. Heck, the way you to play it is probably August 44.[;)]

I went back and re-read some of Wargamer's AAR recently, watching him land and conquer a lot of the Home Islands. I sure wish his AAR hadn't been a full combat report, but had more pictures and charts etc. Still, fascinating reading, especially the final score.

This AAR will be the same way...I think. Fascinating.[&o]




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/22/2016 10:30:39 PM)

Hi Lopwe, the Russian theatre has gone berserk as Mike moves aggressively in the North and South. I will provide some more updates in the next post.

Don't remind me about those home island nightmare invasions[X(] You will destroy my fighting spirit[:)]


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Give us a meaty Soviet update. Heck, the way you to play it is probably August 44.[;)]

I went back and re-read some of Wargamer's AAR recently, watching him land and conquer a lot of the Home Islands. I sure wish his AAR hadn't been a full combat report, but had more pictures and charts etc. Still, fascinating reading, especially the final score.

This AAR will be the same way...I think. Fascinating.[&o]






njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/22/2016 10:40:13 PM)

The strategy and the overall concept of ops in Russia remains in the same. Inflict maximum amount of casualties on the Soviets without being pinned or decisively engaged.

Flanking his strong points and then massing overwhelming firepower to destroy them piecemeal has worked reasonably well. In the South we are largely on the defensive which entails positioning my weaker forces on the best defensive terrain and hope he wears himself out.

In summary it still goes well but as usual Mike is not cooperating. :-) Instead of playing it safe and consolidating, the Soviets are moving very aggressively heedless of losses, flank security and supply. This provides great opportunities for me but it is also very dangerous as Soviet firepower and Mike's very aggressive style pushes my defences to the breaking point.

The key battle is Borzya where Mike has deliberately allowed himself to be cut off with very powerful mechanised forces. He is now attempting a mass break out but he is up against my veteran units from the China campaign with 90+ experience. Instead of probing, Mike launches a shock attack and I hold my breathe!



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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/22/2016 10:47:35 PM)

After surviving that critical battle and preventing the break out, I think I have Mike in a degree of difficulty.

There are 5 Soviet divisions in that pocket! I don't have the firepower to eliminate them but I do have the capability to fix them in place and seal them off. I can then start redeploying a portion of my forces south where the defenders are becoming hard pressed.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/22/2016 11:34:39 PM)

In the South the Soviets are on the offensive in a big way.

Having being blocked by terrain and local forces, Mike cleverly gave me a taste of my own medicine and flanked me. Once his armour and arty got into open terrain I fell back and ceded the ground. Initially I was hoping his reserves would be headed north to assist its stretched forces but no they are pouring through the gap.

Still some of his armour units have been trashed heavily to make the break throughs and I have complete air superiority. His AA guns though are preventing me from inflicting too much damage. Pretty poised here but as much as it may pain me in the short term, I want him to keep pushing south and forgetting his flanks.

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Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/22/2016 11:43:10 PM)

Very exciting.



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/22/2016 11:58:41 PM)

Thanks Lowpe

If I can hold in the South for the next couple of weeks, I will start to roll him up[:)]

I also have a little surprise for him as well [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Very exciting.




Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/23/2016 12:20:24 PM)

Losing Luzon hurts...but I think if you can get Japan into position about the timeframe you have, it may become a valid strategy to hurt the Russians in 44.

Grab victory points. Build your denominator with points that don't disappear.[&o]

I am interested to see what happens at Harbin...how are the forts there?

Looking forward to massed Frank R's too.

You won't have many more oil shipments back, I am guessing.

How about a world picture? Many thanks.



Crackaces -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/24/2016 2:21:15 AM)

quote:

it may become a valid strategy to hurt the Russians in 44


I think it was quite imaginative to engage with forces that we think as passivly tied down in Manchuria, but
instead use them actively. Where I am trepidatious about this affair is the amount of inherrent supply in
Manchuria and the units, the level of active engagement (it is one thing to supply passive units .. it is quite another to supply units active in moving and combat,
and three, when the music stops and surviving Russian units begin assulting what I think will be supply depleted IJ troops ..

But if this is not true than NJP72 will rewrite future games ...



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/24/2016 6:07:08 AM)

Yep losing Luzon so cheaply does hurt. The war with the Ruskies has enabled me to maintain a 13K VP barrier thus far against Mike.

Harbin have forts at 6 and 2000 AV but he is too smart to directly assault it across the river.

The Frank R has arrived and mass production has commenced (360 per month) The last of my targeted advanced air frames which I am willing to pay for arrive in July (Tony 100, A6m8, the last Oscar etc)

The last few big oil and fuel convoys are running the gauntlet now[:(]


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Losing Luzon hurts...but I think if you can get Japan into position about the timeframe you have, it may become a valid strategy to hurt the Russians in 44.

Grab victory points. Build your denominator with points that don't disappear.[&o]

I am interested to see what happens at Harbin...how are the forts there?

Looking forward to massed Frank R's too.

You won't have many more oil shipments back, I am guessing.

How about a world picture? Many thanks.



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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/24/2016 6:14:12 AM)

Thanks Dave

The supply question is an interesting one and it does concern me. What makes it worse is Mike's aggressive actions in Russia. He is risking all with some big plays which so far haven't worked but have still taken a toll on the Japanese defenders.

Interestingly, I have not sent any supply convoys to China or Manchuria for over 18 months and it still looks okay despite the intensity of fighting. The supply on the HIs has decreased but that is due to the expansion of engines and airframes as the last achievable advanced types enter production. Fuel and oil in the HIs looks really good- 12 months worth at least.

I will curtail my spend on airframes now and start being a little more conservative. My gut feel is that the economy crashes around June 45 but I can live with that.[:D]




quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

quote:

it may become a valid strategy to hurt the Russians in 44


I think it was quite imaginative to engage with forces that we think as passivly tied down in Manchuria, but
instead use them actively. Where I am trepidatious about this affair is the amount of inherrent supply in
Manchuria and the units, the level of active engagement (it is one thing to supply passive units .. it is quite another to supply units active in moving and combat,
and three, when the music stops and surviving Russian units begin assulting what I think will be supply depleted IJ troops ..

But if this is not true than NJP72 will rewrite future games ...




Crackaces -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/24/2016 6:40:58 AM)


I did note a couple of IJ bases with ! in Manchuria. My thought really goes around
my emerging understanding of how supply propagates. My only real experince is getting supply to move from
India to Burma and Alice Springs to Darwin. Otherwise Supply for this AFB has been a simple drop load on Atoll. But given
that understanding and reading AAR's particuarly "taming the bear" Supply propagation to units far away from
the main supply points are behaviors yet to be explored. The results I propose are insidious but trackable
in "Tracker".....

quote:

ORIGINAL: njp72

Thanks Dave

The supply question is an interesting one and it does concern me. What makes it worse is Mike's aggressive actions in Russia. He is risking all with some big plays which so far haven't worked but have still taken a toll on the Japanese defenders.

Interestingly, I have not sent any supply convoys to China or Manchuria for over 18 months and it still looks okay despite the intensity of fighting. The supply on the HIs has decreased but that is due to the expansion of engines and airframes as the last achievable advanced types enter production. Fuel and oil in the HIs looks really good- 12 months worth at least.

I will curtail my spend on airframes now and start being a little more conservative. My gut feel is that the economy crashes around June 45 but I can live with that.[:D]




quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

quote:

it may become a valid strategy to hurt the Russians in 44


I think it was quite imaginative to engage with forces that we think as passivly tied down in Manchuria, but
instead use them actively. Where I am trepidatious about this affair is the amount of inherrent supply in
Manchuria and the units, the level of active engagement (it is one thing to supply passive units .. it is quite another to supply units active in moving and combat,
and three, when the music stops and surviving Russian units begin assulting what I think will be supply depleted IJ troops ..

But if this is not true than NJP72 will rewrite future games ...






GetAssista -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/24/2016 10:08:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: njp72
The last few big oil and fuel convoys are running the gauntlet now[:(]

Does it make sense to dump a lot of oil/fuel into CRB/Saigon area now so that it eventually make way further east when route to Singers is cut? Or do you consider land movement gamey altogether



Crackaces -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/24/2016 10:13:35 AM)

quote:

Does it make sense to dump a lot of oil/fuel into CRB/Saigon area now so that it eventually make way further east when route to Singers is cut? Or do you consider land movement gamey altogether


It is my understanding that getting the oil to move over land is 1) not a sure thing and 2) involves a complex choreography of tankers declaring a target home port that the oil will eventually move to ..
There are JFB's that have perfected this and yet I see comments that sometimes this does not work ..



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (1/25/2016 7:41:14 AM)

You have an excellent eye for detail Dave. [:)]

I have stripped some garrisons to form a motley battlegroup to assault one of his flanks. Thus far apart from some minor positions, supply is still good and for a couple of localities I have a stack of it (Harbin, Port Arthur etc).

The assault commences in the next two days and if successful will cause Mike major headaches. If I could find just two more Inf Divs my chances of success would be substantially better.

The movement of supply is still a mystery to me!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces


I did note a couple of IJ bases with ! in Manchuria. My thought really goes around
my emerging understanding of how supply propagates. My only real experince is getting supply to move from
India to Burma and Alice Springs to Darwin. Otherwise Supply for this AFB has been a simple drop load on Atoll. But given
that understanding and reading AAR's particuarly "taming the bear" Supply propagation to units far away from
the main supply points are behaviors yet to be explored. The results I propose are insidious but trackable
in "Tracker".....

quote:

ORIGINAL: njp72

Thanks Dave

The supply question is an interesting one and it does concern me. What makes it worse is Mike's aggressive actions in Russia. He is risking all with some big plays which so far haven't worked but have still taken a toll on the Japanese defenders.

Interestingly, I have not sent any supply convoys to China or Manchuria for over 18 months and it still looks okay despite the intensity of fighting. The supply on the HIs has decreased but that is due to the expansion of engines and airframes as the last achievable advanced types enter production. Fuel and oil in the HIs looks really good- 12 months worth at least.

I will curtail my spend on airframes now and start being a little more conservative. My gut feel is that the economy crashes around June 45 but I can live with that.[:D]




quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

quote:

it may become a valid strategy to hurt the Russians in 44


I think it was quite imaginative to engage with forces that we think as passivly tied down in Manchuria, but
instead use them actively. Where I am trepidatious about this affair is the amount of inherrent supply in
Manchuria and the units, the level of active engagement (it is one thing to supply passive units .. it is quite another to supply units active in moving and combat,
and three, when the music stops and surviving Russian units begin assulting what I think will be supply depleted IJ troops ..

But if this is not true than NJP72 will rewrite future games ...










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