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Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/5/2016 12:41:12 PM)

You still have lots of ships left, and hopefully kamikazes to really put the kibosh on a Korea landing. Start digging forts at Moppo and north.[:)]

I wish there was some game mechanic so you could see what kind of enemy tanks and artillery and devices you are up against....not having it takes a little flavor away I think.[:(]






Crackaces -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/5/2016 3:49:55 PM)

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You still have lots of ships left, and hopefully kamikazes to really put the kibosh on a Korea landing.


The Allies have to consolidate the Philippines and move supply forward. Plus the mid-44 upgrades are coming online.
So NJP72 has the time to fortify.

I personally would strike just south of Hong Kong, or better yet extend my Philippines holdings northward to Formosa, then
Foochow -> Shanghai then the open plains to Tsingtao ..That would keep the offense in 4E range ..extended fighter range

Korea would be a nice hail mary but the Allies in my opinion do not need a hail mary ... just a good solid advance ..



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/5/2016 9:13:49 PM)

Thanks Guys

Yes shipping losses have been very light thus far. 1 x CVE, 1 x BB and around 8 x CAs. I still have the ability to stand and deliver some ferocious fighting.

A/C pools are also very strong- 300 Frank Rs already and around 800 Frank As. I will detail the strength of my a/c pools shortly.

R&D is largely over with the A6m8, Tony 100 the last Oscar and the Judy 3 all now on line. I really don't need or want to expend any further supply on additional airframes when those in service continue to give an excellent account of themselves.

The final Tojo version continues to perform very well in a defensive capacity, especially with veteran pilots.

I completely agree with the combat report. I would love to know what armoured vehicles are being brewed up. Just tried to crush the Northern pocket with 85K of Soviet troops and it was a very bloody fight. He could still escape yet!


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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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You still have lots of ships left, and hopefully kamikazes to really put the kibosh on a Korea landing.


The Allies have to consolidate the Philippines and move supply forward. Plus the mid-44 upgrades are coming online.
So NJP72 has the time to fortify.

I personally would strike just south of Hong Kong, or better yet extend my Philippines holdings northward to Formosa, then
Foochow -> Shanghai then the open plains to Tsingtao ..That would keep the offense in 4E range ..extended fighter range

Korea would be a nice hail mary but the Allies in my opinion do not need a hail mary ... just a good solid advance ..




PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/6/2016 2:27:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: njp72

Thanks Guys

Yes shipping losses have been very light thus far. 1 x CVE, 1 x BB and around 8 x CAs. I still have the ability to stand and deliver some ferocious fighting.



Yes, you are in good shape with the IJN for mid-44. How about the allied losses, what's you best guess?

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ORIGINAL: njp72A/C pools are also very strong- 300 Frank Rs already and around 800 Frank As.



Those are ok ... keep pushing them.

The issue I have faced is the in '45 the last version of the TBolts and Stang have top speeds ~470mph. Frank become marginal. Shinden is effective in CAP. Ki-94 (Frank II) also works. Both of these have top speeds approaching the allied fighters.

Some players find the last Tojo/Tony's still effective against those allied fighters, alas my experiences do not match that. I find anything under 400mph just too vulnerable. YMMV.



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/6/2016 4:13:04 AM)

Thanks Pax

Allied losses amongst capital ships are also very light.

3 x CVEs, 2 x BBs (maybe only 1!), and 16 x CAs. He has lost plenty of DDs, including 15 Fletchers in the last month as he sieges Singapore.

Otherwise Mike is great shape for the final assault.

Well I guess I am going to find out reference the P47 and friends. The Frank R is the best I have got and there is nothing else coming as I have largely shut down R&D to save supply. I am in the process of mass producing thousands of single engine fighters that are currently in service.

I am adopting the philosophy of quantity over quality [:D]

- Frank R
- George II
- Oscar iv
- Tojo C- still producing and getting good results
- Tony 100 and the last version of KI-61 (still have plenty of engines to use)
- A6m5c- a real workhorse and has been very handy
- A6m8- slowly superseding the A6m5C but largely building stockpiles. Seen brief action thus far and had no issues with the Hellcat.

- Frank B arrives in a month and that is pretty much it. Haven't done much with the Jack as this game is PDU off and not many sendais are running around with it. I think the last version of the Jack arrives in Oct but thus far I have been underwhelmed with its performance.

cheers



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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: njp72

Thanks Guys

Yes shipping losses have been very light thus far. 1 x CVE, 1 x BB and around 8 x CAs. I still have the ability to stand and deliver some ferocious fighting.



Yes, you are in good shape with the IJN for mid-44. How about the allied losses, what's you best guess?

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ORIGINAL: njp72A/C pools are also very strong- 300 Frank Rs already and around 800 Frank As.



Those are ok ... keep pushing them.

The issue I have faced is the in '45 the last version of the TBolts and Stang have top speeds ~470mph. Frank become marginal. Shinden is effective in CAP. Ki-94 (Frank II) also works. Both of these have top speeds approaching the allied fighters.

Some players find the last Tojo/Tony's still effective against those allied fighters, alas my experiences do not match that. I find anything under 400mph just too vulnerable. YMMV.




PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/6/2016 10:17:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: njp72

PDU off

Then strike what I said ... you've got the right mix for the IJA. Frank r is as good as you will get that most groups will upgrade to. no reason to go further.
You should have RnD the Sam ... almost all IJN groups could have upgraded and the Sam is close to the Frank r in performance, ~50 mph faster than the A6M8.




Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/6/2016 2:03:00 PM)

Plus 1 on Sam.[&o] But I understand your reasoning.[;)]

Very disappointed to hear about the Jacks performance. You get only 2 squadrons of version 1, and that climbs to four squadrons for the entire game. I thought it would do better. Just put it somewhere you expect bombers. It does advance to the Navy's rocket plane though.[:D]

Looking forward to your experience with Frank B.

I think Wargamer will be really setback by your better frames in this game as compared to the last one.

Who knows what Wargamer will do....he seems to be a pretty unpredictable opponent given his past actions. Here is hoping that the CD guns can sink a few Essex carriers in this game!




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/6/2016 8:58:48 PM)

Thanks guys

I agree in hindsight not following through on the Sam was a mistake and something I won't repeat in the future.

The difference in this game is not only more advanced air frames but the numbers of them that are going to be deployed. I am very comfortable I can sustain a massive air attrition campaign over the HIs well into 45 now.

Mike is a wonderful and skilled opponent but I can read him slightly better these days. He will probe cautiously for a period of time but once he believes he has the advantage, he presses on to his objectives ruthlessly, irrespective of losses.

I am guessing Formosa may too hard so I wouldn't be surprised if he tries something like Iwo Jima to cut me into two before assaulting the HIs.

Great fun


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Plus 1 on Sam.[&o] But I understand your reasoning.[;)]

Very disappointed to hear about the Jacks performance. You get only 2 squadrons of version 1, and that climbs to four squadrons for the entire game. I thought it would do better. Just put it somewhere you expect bombers. It does advance to the Navy's rocket plane though.[:D]

Looking forward to your experience with Frank B.

I think Wargamer will be really setback by your better frames in this game as compared to the last one.

Who knows what Wargamer will do....he seems to be a pretty unpredictable opponent given his past actions. Here is hoping that the CD guns can sink a few Essex carriers in this game!






njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/15/2016 9:22:40 AM)

The moment of the decisive battle has arrived!

The Allies have stepped up their offensive and have commenced landing in China. I think in part to relieve the pressure on the Russians who are generally getting the worst of it.

Massive fleets on both sides now stand poised to unleash carnage. Effectively the entire IJN surface fleet based out of Formosa (minus combat losses which have not been too severe) 60+ warships commence to sally forth to meet the USN.

Normally I have always avoided surface clashes with his warships but being reasonably late in 44 I am hoping to inflict serious damage on his BBs to lessen the deadly shore bombardments.

Sake is drank, speeches are made and the famous Z flag unfurled as 8 BBs and their 50+ escorts move off into an uncertain future- very likely destruction so not that unknown [:D]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/15/2016 9:34:14 AM)

The score board is in good shape so it is a pity to have to risk so much now.

However there is no way I can allow him to land multiple divisions in China without running a large degree of interference. Besides the IJN was designed to fight this battle, just not in 44!

All of the veteran divisions originally from China are now fighting in Russia.[8|]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/15/2016 9:43:57 AM)

Whilst my surface fleet heads off to a very uncertain future, what is not uncertain is the fate of the Soviets in the Northern theatre.

The Northern front has now turned into a battlefield clearance exercise as the last pocket of Soviets on the immediate battlefield are crushed. Once this pocket is eliminated effectively 5 x Inf divisions, 6 x Armd Brigades and a tank division have been eliminated or shattered beyond repair.

The South is a very different matter, with the Russians still located just outside Harbin but each week their combat power slowly diminishes as I reinforce from the Home Islands. Russian arty causes the biggest issues. I wish I could re-use all the captured guns up North on him down South[:D]


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JocMeister -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/15/2016 10:19:30 AM)

Wow, will be helluva battle to watch. [X(]




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/15/2016 11:03:20 AM)

It should be pretty wild.

I doubt (I hope) that I don't run into all of his warships in the next 24 hrs. He would have easily over 100+ warships spread over the 4 hexes with a stack of Fletchers and modern CLs. However he is also protecting some valuable cargo (troop convoys and CVs).

I'm hoping to get lucky.





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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Wow, will be helluva battle to watch. [X(]






Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/15/2016 1:18:16 PM)

Oh Dear.[X(]

You at least seem properly disposed.[sm=00000613.gif]

Good luck.



JocMeister -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/15/2016 1:52:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: njp72

It should be pretty wild.

I doubt (I hope) that I don't run into all of his warships in the next 24 hrs. He would have easily over 100+ warships spread over the 4 hexes with a stack of Fletchers and modern CLs. However he is also protecting some valuable cargo (troop convoys and CVs).

I'm hoping to get lucky.





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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Wow, will be helluva battle to watch. [X(]






Having some strong alcohol within reach when you run the turn might be a good idea... [:D]



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/15/2016 2:58:55 PM)

These kind of big turns are usually disappointing. Wouldn't shock me to see the Allies haul tail and retreat.

But really who knows.[&:]

What is left of your carrier force?



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/16/2016 9:13:50 AM)

Well have no fear Lowpe, once Mike thinks he has the advantage he doesn't swerve he ploughs right through which makes him a very dangerous opponent.

He smashed my airfields which I thought he might (though the results were devastating) and then ran head first into my surface groups.

Despite having this significant tactical advantage, we only managed to sink 2 BBs outright and after some follow airstrikes from his carriers, we lost the same including old Yama.

Air cover for my surface groups is a problem as my major airfields were not only hit by BB bombardments but around 200 4E bombers.

Still we are not retreating, not yet anyway. KB is fully intact we haven't lost a CV yet [:)]




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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

These kind of big turns are usually disappointing. Wouldn't shock me to see the Allies haul tail and retreat.

But really who knows.[&:]

What is left of your carrier force?



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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/16/2016 9:18:11 AM)

And here is the second major engagement.

I suspect about half of the USN and IJN fleets did not end up engaging which makes for a fascinating next turn.

He is nursing at least 2 crippled BBs and I have one which is also quite sick, but not fatally so.

One trump card I still possess is an untouched KB and friends and I suspect he has no idea where it is lurking. Not sure what he will do tomorrow.




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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/16/2016 9:20:33 AM)

Now this I completely agree with.

Unfortunately Joc these critical turns are arriving very early in the morning (Oz time) so I am only equipped with a strong cup of coffee.

Not really adequate for the carnage being inflicted on both sides.[:)]


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister


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ORIGINAL: njp72

It should be pretty wild.

I doubt (I hope) that I don't run into all of his warships in the next 24 hrs. He would have easily over 100+ warships spread over the 4 hexes with a stack of Fletchers and modern CLs. However he is also protecting some valuable cargo (troop convoys and CVs).

I'm hoping to get lucky.





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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Wow, will be helluva battle to watch. [X(]






Having some strong alcohol within reach when you run the turn might be a good idea... [:D]




Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/16/2016 1:04:58 PM)

Clash of the titans!

How badly damaged are the big girls?



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/19/2016 12:47:37 AM)

Well two are dead including mighty Yama and two are reasonably banged up.

He just smashed into me again and in the latest fighting we can scratch 2 more Allied BBs and another CA for minimum damage to the IJN.


So in the last 5 days the butchers bill would be:

Allied
- 4 x BBs (confirmed sunk)
- 1 x BB probable sunk
- 3 x BBs heavily damaged
- 2 x BBs moderate damage
- 1 x CA sunk
- 2 x CLs sunk
- 6 x DDs

IJN
- 2 x BBs sunk
- 3 x BBs moderate/ heavy damage
- 1 x CA sunk
- 4 x DDs sunk

The IJN thus far has had the better of the night fighting at very close range.

Formosa is now subject to massive air raids by 4es and sweeps by P47s. Next turn will be very interesting if he comes for a third time.

Not sure how much longer we can hold out but we must be hurting him[:)]


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Clash of the titans!

How badly damaged are the big girls?



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/19/2016 1:34:45 AM)

Where will you be able to repair the damaged BB? Yokohama has perhaps the best static AA in the game. Hiroshima second best, but half as many as Yoko.

I guess that is a good trade VP wise.[:)]

How is the air war doing?



obvert -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/19/2016 9:49:24 AM)

Looks like you gave a bit more than you got, which is very positive for Japan at this stage. Losing Yamato will help conserve fuel! [;)]

Taking out a fast BB or two is huge and the old behemoths really come into their own in 44 with AA upgrades and their use in landings, so this seems good for you so far. Is the KB arriving soon? Good time to use it if you've got Judy/Grace on board.



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/19/2016 9:55:53 AM)

Good to hear from you Obvert. I have been missing your wise input around the place.

Yep I thought the timing and the conditions were right so I deployed the fully intact KB and friends last turn and achieved............ very little[:(]

On the plus side I didn't lose too many pilots or aircraft but my attempts to hit DDs, CLs and CAs were woeful.

I completely concur, Allied BBs cause me more grief than just about any other allied weapon system. Bombardments just shatter my defences, airfields, supply consumption etc.



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ORIGINAL: obvert

Looks like you gave a bit more than you got, which is very positive for Japan at this stage. Losing Yamato will help conserve fuel! [;)]

Taking out a fast BB or two is huge and the old behemoths really come into their own in 44 with AA upgrades and their use in landings, so this seems good for you so far. Is the KB arriving soon? Good time to use it if you've got Judy/Grace on board.




obvert -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/19/2016 11:08:02 AM)

Allied AA is so good at this point it's tough to hit unless you get a nice big set of transports or CVE in the sights.



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 12:01:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: obvert

Allied AA is so good at this point it's tough to hit unless you get a nice big set of transports or CVE in the sights.


You were still nailing the Allies and good into mid 45. Dog! I am so jealous.[:D]

Yep, knocking those BBs down to prevent shore bombardments is nice. Ask me how I know!

I keep noticing lack of flak being critical in the outcomes of recent CV clashes.





Bif1961 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 2:39:28 PM)

Nice to see the Allies getting knocked about in late 44. You are keeping him on his toes.



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 10:25:36 PM)

Thanks Bif and welcome aboard.

I have landed some decent blows but so has he. It is a very bloody affair at the moment but I am happy that my forces are still competitive.

Russia has been great fun.[:D]


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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Nice to see the Allies getting knocked about in late 44. You are keeping him on his toes.




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 10:36:33 PM)

August 44 continues to be the most critical and hard fought month of the war and it is not over yet.

On both sides more surface combatant from a VP perspective have been sunk this month than just about the rest of the war combined[X(]

This turn I decided to take a risky gamble and send my remaining surface ships after his supply lines rather than his warships. I hit the jackpot but unfortunately the sheer number of allied taskforces limited the damage.

Because of the endless surface combat that took place from 80+ ships my boys were unable to retreat properly and got rightly smashed by big carrier strikes despite having 150 fighters on cap.

The end result was great fun but a tactical blunder.

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obvert -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 10:44:43 PM)

What were the final numbers on this one? How many APAs for the old CLs? The Allies don't have unlimited numbers of those and each invasion drops a few more. So I'd gladly trade Naka and Tama for a handful or more of them.



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