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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 10:51:38 PM)

The losses for the day were surprisingly low given the amount of air and warships deployed.

Allies:

4 x APA (possibly 5)
7 x DMS
1 x CL heavily damaged
Approx 8 x misc smaller ships (ACMs,etc)

Japan:

1 x CA sunk
3 x CA moderate to heavy damage
2 x CL heavy damage
4 x DDs sunk

Not a very good trade with all IJN losses caused by carrier air strikes.

The positives from this action were:

- the lack of DD escorts for his taskforces. I suspect Mike is running short here. Between the Singapore and China operation, he has had 40 DDs heavily damaged with a third confirmed sunk in the last two months- mostly Fletchers.

- Some of his warships were smoking before combat. Mike never deploys damaged warships unless absolutely forced to. I suspect this indicates the state of his navy at the moment.

- Another 100+ USN aircraft destroyed and the pilot skill of his DBs and TBs were as bad as mine[:)]

Negatives:

- the biggest- the IJN has shot its bolt for the time being. It will take Mike all of about 30 secs to realise his biggest issue has now ( at least temporarily) been taken care of. If anything this will make him more aggressive and he will really ramp up invading China.


















njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 10:54:35 PM)

Score board you can see the carnage when you compare this one with the last int screen.

I'm particularly happy with the Allied ground losses as it approaches 28K.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 10:59:57 PM)

Main theatre

The life expectancy (or at least the probability of being hit) for both sides shipping when it enters this corridor near Formosa is ridiculously high.

Both sides have either lost or have heading to the ship yards the majority of the original combatants from only a week ago![X(]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 11:17:09 PM)

Russia North

The pockets have been eliminated at great cost to both sides. In the end 85K of Soviet troops (approximately 5 inf divs and support troops) have been destroyed.

The remains of Soviet armour are being hunted down and destroyed. The units originally based in China are either being redeployed further north in good defensive terrain or getting ready to return back to China. Unfortunately I can not send them South as it would violate our rules to have them fight in Manchuria proper.

Other troops from the Kwangtung army will commence deploying South where all the action is.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 11:24:12 PM)

Russia South

Whilst the situation doesn't look great for the Empire in the South, the Russians are now completely bogged down. Most of their armour has been destroyed shock attacking the fortified cities below. None of the three cities being sieged by the Soviets is in any danger of falling.

I continue to attack on his flanks as I await reinforcements from the North and the Home Islands. There are no decent reinforcements coming for the Soviets for at least 9 months.

Smart move by Mike to cut the rail line which has caused me serious delays.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/20/2016 11:27:03 PM)

Hi Obvert, 4 for sure but after that maybe 1 more.

There were just too many and that single DD escort fought like a demon possessed.

I might get a couple more with subs next turn depending which he way he heads with his cripples.



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ORIGINAL: obvert

What were the final numbers on this one? How many APAs for the old CLs? The Allies don't have unlimited numbers of those and each invasion drops a few more. So I'd gladly trade Naka and Tama for a handful or more of them.




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/22/2016 11:40:05 AM)

Got nailed this turn [:(]

Mike stripped his CV task forces and assembled 3 fast BBs and multiple TFs of Fletchers, modern CLs and CAs.

What was left of my poor fleet around Formosa collapsed. The IJN pick up team was no match for the quality and quantity of the USN varsity team.

I feared a move like this but I didn't think he would risk anymore BBs. I was wrong and well played by Mike.

Casualties IJN
- 1 x BB sunk
- 1 x CA sunk
- 8 x DDs obliterated

USN
-1x BB moderately damaged- yep that is it.


He still lost 100 USN aircraft over Formosa which was small compensation.

Have to regroup now and let the aircraft do the fighting for a while. At least he is now down to only 2 Fast BBs for bombardments until he summons reinforcements.

Fortunes of war. [8|]



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/22/2016 1:18:28 PM)

How many troops do you have in your western half of the Empire?






njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 1:24:07 AM)

Not too many Lowpe.

A few divisions from the former Burma Army making its way back into China. Singapore is still heavily defended though supply is now an issue.

In fact supply is now an issue pretty much everywhere, not that I don't have it, but I am reluctant to ship it out to lost causes. China, Russia and the HI only.

The air bridge is working well getting cut off support troops back into the fight from the DEI.




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 1:28:37 AM)

Russia update

As has been the norm since the invasion commenced, there is always a critical battle being fought somewhere in this theatre.

With the north secured and the Chinese based units getting ready to relocate back towards China, I am shifting key resources and men to push the Soviets back in the South.

A critical battle is being fought with 60K of weakened soviets and we are getting the better of it, thanks to our armour (type 3). Mind you a lot of the Empire's forces are also exhausted so a quick victory is unfortunately not on the cards.



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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 1:32:50 AM)

All the action (outside of Russia) is Southern China. After the very brutal naval battles which hurt both sides, I was unable to stop Mike securing bases in southern China. He has then cleverly used armour forces to shoot up the coast line and secure more bases.

A strong defensive line in favourable terrain is now being established as units fighting in Russia start returning. I am also sending quite a bit of armour to help out as well. Thank God there are no Chinese left here or it would become a mess like the last game.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 1:36:10 AM)

After some very heavy fighting in June/ July, Singapore has been left to its own devices.

Unfortunately that is now changing as mostly commonwealth units start sweeping down from Malaysia. After all of the naval and air combat, supplies are exhausted but the fighting spirit remains. Singapore will still be a tough nut to crack.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 1:38:33 AM)

Vietnam - increasing pressure here but the withdrawal of the Burma Army has been very successful.

Unfortunately (I am saying that word quite a bit now) some allied units have now cut off the rail link from Saigon which has stranded some important support units.

Transport aircraft will have to be utilised.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 1:43:42 AM)

Score board

Still just in front here but likely to be overtaken this month. The air war is now massive and casualties for both sides are very heavy.

I still have a significant stockpile of excellent aircraft (Frank R, George II, Tony 100 etc) so I am happy to take him on. If I can continue to reduce his P47 numbers I believe I can buy time. The other factor helping my cause is the lack of his BBs conducting shore bombardments. Only 2 are active in southern China and he has been forced to use CAs which aren't that effective.

B-29s are being employed to smash Chinese industry and occasionally in a ground support role for critical battles.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 2:55:06 AM)

Heroes of the Empire Part 1

The CL Kuma has inflicted some punishing blows on the Allies over the course of the war. Currently it is engaged on raiding Allied support forces around Formosa so its life expectancy is measured in hours not days. Before it meets its fate, the Empire salutes it. [&o]

- Operating by itself as a raider and hiding in ports, two days ago it ambushed an Allied amphib convoy and sunk two APs full of troops.

- Last turn it crippled a CVE.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 2:57:57 AM)

Heroes part 2

This infantry division is the standard of the original Chinese based Army groups which have fought successfully in China and Russia. It and three of its sister divisions are heading back to China from Russia to meet the new threat.

Hopefully it will last longer than CL Kuma.

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 3:00:07 AM)

Air units

Both these George units have successfully smashed the Russians and now fighting the US airforce.

I daresay their kill ratios will commence to change[;)]

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 3:01:24 AM)

Air units continued

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njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 7:16:49 AM)


quick update- as predicted and joyfully (gleefully even) reported by Mike, Kuma went Booma this turn thanks to about 20 thousand pounders. [X(]

Unfortunately there will be no sequel for this hero of the empire.[:(]











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ORIGINAL: njp72

Heroes of the Empire Part 1

The CL Kuma has inflicted some punishing blows on the Allies over the course of the war. Currently it is engaged on raiding Allied support forces around Formosa so its life expectancy is measured in hours not days. Before it meets its fate, the Empire salutes it. [&o]

- Operating by itself as a raider and hiding in ports, two days ago it ambushed an Allied amphib convoy and sunk two APs full of troops.

- Last turn it crippled a CVE.

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JocMeister -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 8:29:58 AM)

Sorry about Kuma! [:(]



njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 8:43:05 AM)

Lol, thanks Joc, I may have doomed it with my short expose on it.

Now who is going to write all those letters for my digital sailors next of kin?


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Sorry about Kuma! [:(]




JocMeister -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 9:04:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: njp72

Lol, thanks Joc, I may have doomed it with my short expose on it.

Now who is going to write all those letters for my digital sailors next of kin?


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Sorry about Kuma! [:(]




[:D]



PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/27/2016 10:54:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: njp72

Unfortunately (I am saying that word quite a bit now) some allied units have now cut off the rail link from Saigon which has stranded some important support units.


Always the most difficult part of playing IJ is the withdrawal, and most of us wait until too late ... we hate giving up in 44 what we fought for so successfully in 42.




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/29/2016 11:20:57 AM)

Thanks Pax, yes it is though most of the lads escaped.

The war has turned critical in a few other places though.


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: njp72

Unfortunately (I am saying that word quite a bit now) some allied units have now cut off the rail link from Saigon which has stranded some important support units.


Always the most difficult part of playing IJ is the withdrawal, and most of us wait until too late ... we hate giving up in 44 what we fought for so successfully in 42.






njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/29/2016 11:39:29 AM)

Massive battle around Shanghai as I attempted to intercept the massive Allied armada.

I decided to absorb the full allied first strike with KB on full CAP without setting up a counter strike. A mistake probably, but I know the quality of my carrier groups and I couldn't get land based air from China to support due to damaged air strips and low supply. Quite simply I would have lost another 3oo aircraft for no gain and weakened my CAP.

Massive carnage then ensued with the following losses:

Allied- Naval aircraft 380

Japan- 2 CVs sunk, 1 crippled, 3 damaged
1 CVL sunk, 1 x CVE sunk
120 a/c- most destroyed on the carriers[:(]

Most of the damage was inflicted on the first strike. The second strike due to losses was not nearly as powerful or as coordinated.

The next turn may result in another CV going down depending if he lashes out. I have sent 30 DDs, 2 BBs and 2 CA/CLs directly at his CV taskforces to give him something to think about. :-)

Whilst I can't sustain losing 3 CVs a day, I doubt the Allies can lose 350 navy aircraft per turn either. Always sad to lose CVs but as long as they are destroying allied a/c I don't care. Besides it is late 44 so time is rapidly running out.



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/29/2016 4:59:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: njp72

I couldn't get land based air from China to support due to damaged air strips and low supply.


Is that Russia again?





Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (2/29/2016 9:40:15 PM)

Facing the Deathstar: a topic we don't discuss as much as we should.

It is a little late, but:

You might try heavily Frank escorted kamikazes/torpedoe at 30K. Or George. Might knock down some CAP and it has to be better than A6M5 or M8s.

MTBs?

Wargamer just keeps coming doesn't he?

Do I have the history correct here: first you had a carrier clash south of China, then a big surface clash, and now this attack....and tomorrow another surface clash.

Oh, for Sam![;)]










PaxMondo -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (3/1/2016 3:41:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Oh, for Sam![;)]


Yeah, it is a big investment and it takes to long to show up ... but getting Sam by Mar44 is a BIG deal IF you plan to have the KB around and use at that time.



Lowpe -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (3/1/2016 4:32:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Oh, for Sam![;)]


Yeah, it is a big investment and it takes to long to show up ... but getting Sam by Mar44 is a BIG deal IF you plan to have the KB around and use at that time.



Pax, how many factories are you talking about here? 3/44 Seems super early?[&:]




njp72 -> RE: Empire strikes back- NJP vs Wargmr (no wargmr) (3/1/2016 7:27:41 AM)

I completely agree reference the death star.

I have come to the conclusion based on my own personal experience that by mid 44 trying to sink allied fleet CVs is a futile exercise. If you manage to survive the CAP, the AA rips you apart. Besides the Essex class are tough to kill and with so many in a hex, ultimately the air strikes fragment and maybe a couple take the odd bomb or torpedo hit. At what price are we willing to pay in aircraft to kill an Essex- 500, 1000, 1500....

Nope I have decided a different approach which is going after USN aircraft to nullify the CVs. CVEs are a completely different matter and are very vulnerable to all forms of air strikes.

I completely agree you need land based air to be involved to land any solid blow in 44 and 45.

Mike (Wargmr) always shrugs off tactical defeats and forever presses forward onto his objective. Very rarely if ever gets rattled and is remorseless in pursuing the offensive.

Three massive surface battles around Formosa, followed by an unstoppable carrier strike from the death Star, followed by another series of smaller surface clashes. In the last three days 500+ USN aircraft have been destroyed but they have inflicted significant damage on an already battered IJN.

Sam would have been useful but the A6M8 and A6M5c have performed very well. The issue is not the air frames or the quality of the pilots, it is the sheer massing of combat power by the USN which sweeps everything away.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Facing the Deathstar: a topic we don't discuss as much as we should.

It is a little late, but:

You might try heavily Frank escorted kamikazes/torpedoe at 30K. Or George. Might knock down some CAP and it has to be better than A6M5 or M8s.

MTBs?

Wargamer just keeps coming doesn't he?

Do I have the history correct here: first you had a carrier clash south of China, then a big surface clash, and now this attack....and tomorrow another surface clash.

Oh, for Sam![;)]












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