RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A)

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el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/11/2017 12:30:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Does that surprise you, that the Allies can land 4 divisions on each overnight? What are the ships to the east and south...the tail? I take it you ate shore bombardments from the invading task forces...any dedicated shore bombardments? No it doesn't surprise me that he can, it has been mentioned several times here and countless times elsewhere. What surprises me is, why he would want to. The "tail" TFs are all heading east. Damaged ships I suspect for some. One shows two DDs, another, one PB. Below is typical. Guam about the same, Rota a little less, but Tinian "only had" three BBs. [:)] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses N1K1-J George: 8 damaged N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed on ground G4M1 Betty: 38 damaged G4M1 Betty: 23 destroyed on ground G3M3 Nell: 24 damaged G3M3 Nell: 14 destroyed on ground A6M5 Zero: 48 damaged A6M5 Zero: 27 destroyed on ground Ki-46-III Dinah: 10 damaged Ki-46-III Dinah: 9 destroyed on ground D4Y3 Judy: 17 damaged D4Y3 Judy: 6 destroyed on ground Ki-46-II Dinah: 12 damaged Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground D3A1 Val: 12 damaged D3A1 Val: 11 destroyed on ground H8K2 Emily: 1 damaged H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground D4Y1-C Judy: 4 damaged D4Y1-C Judy: 3 destroyed on ground B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground Allied Ships BB Pennsylvania BB Arizona BB Colorado BB Maryland CA Chicago CA Louisville CA Chester CA Houston CL Concord CL Detroit CL Raleigh CL Achilles Japanese ground losses: 338 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 32 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled Guns lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled) Vehicles lost 17 (7 destroyed, 10 disabled) Airbase hits 32 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 73

Lowpe -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/11/2017 12:36:09 PM)
Now would be the time to send in all your surface ships...after he spent a lot of ammo on bombardments and can't fight back as effectively. And before he takes a base and you have to wade thru 100 PT boats. The question is how much fuel does the KB have, and have close by, and will the bombardment task forces stick around or head back. Important questions, I think. Or did you have some other plan?

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/11/2017 2:12:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Now would be the time to send in all your surface ships...after he spent a lot of ammo on bombardments and can't fight back as effectively. And before he takes a base and you have to wade thru 100 PT boats. The question is how much fuel does the KB have, and have close by, and will the bombardment task forces stick around or head back. Important questions, I think. Or did you have some other plan? You know, sometimes this game drives me crazy. Last turn I had a BB TF sitting just above Saipan, Remain on Station, and I look for it this turn and find it half-way back to Iwo. I am gathering them all below Pagan and hopefully next turn run them all at his main TFs, still two hexes east of Guam. I should have about six SCTFs, two with two BBs each. I will LRCAP them. Is that what you were thinking? PS; KBs fuel OK. Some of the DDs are getting low but Pagan has some fuel. The SCTFs are OK on fuel. I have some AOs at Iwo that can come down a bit.

Lowpe -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/12/2017 12:12:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: el lobo quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Is that what you were thinking? Not really.

PaxMondo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/12/2017 3:16:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: el lobo PACIFIC Jun 23, 1943 Turn 564 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Saipan at 108,93 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 158 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 40 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 209 B6N2 Jill x 65 D4Y1 Judy x 81 Allied aircraft Walrus II x 5 F4F-4 Wildcat x 106 F6F-3 Hellcat x 210 OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 14 SOC-1 Seagull x 11 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 19 destroyed B6N2 Jill: 24 destroyed, 10 damaged B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak D4Y1 Judy: 21 destroyed, 13 damaged D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses Walrus II: 1 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged F6F-3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 4 destroyed SOC-1 Seagull: 6 destroyed Allied Ships xAK Peter Kerr BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1 DD Bennett xAP Rangitiki, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk xAK Glenn Curtiss BB Colorado, Bomb hits 3, on fire xAK Red Jacket, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires BB Arizona DD Anthony xAK Malancha APA Warren xAK Shirina, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Trade Wind APA La Salle AK Eridanus xAK Andrea Luckenbach, Bomb hits 1 xAP Mataroa, Bomb hits 1 CA Houston xAK George Westinghouse, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires xAK Harpoon, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Maryland, Bomb hits 2 Allied ground losses: 3375 casualties reported Squads: 82 destroyed, 25 disabled Non Combat: 221 destroyed, 68 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 56 (54 destroyed, 2 disabled) Vehicles lost 44 (20 destroyed, 24 disabled) So, roughly 10% hit rate against LRCAP ... pretty much what I would expect. I would consider you quite lucky that most of the hits were against transports as opposed to the BB's, I rarely get that results. Instead, all 14 hits would have been on the BB's and those 250kg bombs just bounce off.

PaxMondo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/12/2017 3:17:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: el lobo Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses N1K1-J George: 8 damaged N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed on ground G4M1 Betty: 38 damaged G4M1 Betty: 23 destroyed on ground G3M3 Nell: 24 damaged G3M3 Nell: 14 destroyed on ground A6M5 Zero: 48 damaged A6M5 Zero: 27 destroyed on ground Ki-46-III Dinah: 10 damaged Ki-46-III Dinah: 9 destroyed on ground D4Y3 Judy: 17 damaged D4Y3 Judy: 6 destroyed on ground Ki-46-II Dinah: 12 damaged Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground D3A1 Val: 12 damaged D3A1 Val: 11 destroyed on ground H8K2 Emily: 1 damaged H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground D4Y1-C Judy: 4 damaged D4Y1-C Judy: 3 destroyed on ground B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground Airbase hits 32 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 73 Again, this is fairly typical ground bombardment losses for this point in the game. It gets worse in '45 is all I can say.

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/12/2017 5:34:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Not really. After a good night's sleep, I knew you were not thinking that, even before I read you post. But, I'm wondering if Rio may be thinking that I would not try that. Hummm. But, I'm thinking that Rio is thinking that he should close the air field at Pagan. That is a logical step and he certainly has the horse-power in the area to do it. So that is for what I am preparing. Thanks.

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/12/2017 5:38:49 AM)
Thanks Pax. I haven't received the turn back yet but I got an email from Rio saying it would be late as he needed extra time to rearrange some ships as I "dented" some of his. [:D]

adarbrauner -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/12/2017 7:30:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: el lobo quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Does that surprise you, that the Allies can land 4 divisions on each overnight? What are the ships to the east and south...the tail? I take it you ate shore bombardments from the invading task forces...any dedicated shore bombardments? No it doesn't surprise me that he can, it has been mentioned several times here and countless times elsewhere. What surprises me is, why he would want to. The "tail" TFs are all heading east. Damaged ships I suspect for some. One shows two DDs, another, one PB. Below is typical. Guam about the same, Rota a little less, but Tinian "only had" three BBs. [:)] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses N1K1-J George: 8 damaged N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed on ground G4M1 Betty: 38 damaged G4M1 Betty: 23 destroyed on ground G3M3 Nell: 24 damaged G3M3 Nell: 14 destroyed on ground A6M5 Zero: 48 damaged A6M5 Zero: 27 destroyed on ground Ki-46-III Dinah: 10 damaged Ki-46-III Dinah: 9 destroyed on ground D4Y3 Judy: 17 damaged D4Y3 Judy: 6 destroyed on ground Ki-46-II Dinah: 12 damaged Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground D3A1 Val: 12 damaged D3A1 Val: 11 destroyed on ground H8K2 Emily: 1 damaged H8K2 Emily: 1 destroyed on ground D4Y1-C Judy: 4 damaged D4Y1-C Judy: 3 destroyed on ground B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground Allied Ships BB Pennsylvania BB Arizona BB Colorado BB Maryland CA Chicago CA Louisville CA Chester CA Houston CL Concord CL Detroit CL Raleigh CL Achilles Japanese ground losses: 338 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 32 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled Guns lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled) Vehicles lost 17 (7 destroyed, 10 disabled) Airbase hits 32 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 73 The Betties should not really have been there [:(] Your strike though was good, many transports badly hit [:)] On the other side, the Carrier fleet is now severly bleeded in fighter, I think you're left with 40 % of the fighter force? Time to take a breath and reorganize? Air reinforcements, land based, on their way? I would have waited to unleash the main air strike...also, weather was thunderstormy, so bound to penalize greatly the attacker; use it at your advantage. On the other side though again, Rio's carrier fighter force, and replenishment, went down (not a lot, but a good start, and he cannot replenish or rotate as easily as you!) I 100% agree the remaining northern islands airports constitute n 1 concern for Rio. If you've gathered enough Cap, Rio's going to be badly bleeded there, and if so...then he's yours (thumbs crossed)! As Lowpe has remarked, very good time to unleash your surface fleet. I'd suggest you though not to throw it in, if some more big (BBs, Cruisers; maybe some DDs and Cls squadrons) surface reinforcements are due to arrive soon, but wait for their arrival; If i'm going to send the ships for a surface engagements, I'd send in ALL the air support and assets I could gather, muster and available. That'd the mythical Decisive Battle (for an year and a half only...) so sought for by IJN. Marianas waters was IJN's n.1 candidate for it! Banzai. You'd send in also your subs lurking for prays, cripples, or otherwise ops points expended ships. All for all! Mind the weather. Mind the weather. Mind weather. thank you for allowing comments on your thread.

adarbrauner -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/12/2017 7:34:17 AM)
Please try keeping the KB out of US's strike range. mind weather, bad weather advantage air defense,use at your advantage. I think weather is determined by west-east direction and winds mainly, in game's mechanic...so here you're advantaged too in weather prediction....

Andav -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/12/2017 1:38:45 PM)
quote: Walrus II: 1 destroyed OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 4 destroyed SOC-1 Seagull: 6 destroyed Were these guys actually flying cap or were they "Caught up in the battle" or how ever the message reads? I see them in the screen shot you posted and in the combat results so I believer they are not from something which sunk. Wa

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/13/2017 11:07:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adarbrauner The Betties should not really have been there [:(] Your probably right but I had to give them another chance. quote: Your strike though was good, many transports badly hit [:)] On the other side, the Carrier fleet is now severly bleeded in fighter, I think you're left with 40 % of the fighter force? Time to take a breath and reorganize? Air reinforcements, land based, on their way? Fighter were down to about seventy percent but TBs and DBs were about forty. The fighters are now about ninety and the TBs and DBs about sixty. They will be higher in a turn or two. quote: I would have waited to unleash the main air strike...also, weather was thunderstormy, so bound to penalize greatly the attacker; use it at your advantage. On the other side though again, Rio's carrier fighter force, and replenishment, went down (not a lot, but a good start, and he cannot replenish or rotate as easily as you!) I 100% agree the remaining northern islands airports constitute n 1 concern for Rio. If you've gathered enough Cap, Rio's going to be badly bleeded there, and if so...then he's yours (thumbs crossed)! As Lowpe has remarked, very good time to unleash your surface fleet. I'd suggest you though not to throw it in, if some more big (BBs, Cruisers; maybe some DDs and Cls squadrons) surface reinforcements are due to arrive soon, but wait for their arrival; If i'm going to send the ships for a surface engagements, I'd send in ALL the air support and assets I could gather, muster and available. All you suggested are on the way, days to weeks out. quote: That'd the mythical Decisive Battle (for an year and a half only...) so sought for by IJN. Marianas waters was IJN's n.1 candidate for it! Banzai. You'd send in also your subs lurking for prays, cripples, or otherwise ops points expended ships. All for all! Mind the weather. Mind the weather. Mind weather. thank you for allowing comments on your thread. Thanks. Your always welcome here.

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/13/2017 11:10:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andav quote: Walrus II: 1 destroyed OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 4 destroyed SOC-1 Seagull: 6 destroyed Were these guys actually flying cap or were they "Caught up in the battle" or how ever the message reads? I see them in the screen shot you posted and in the combat results so I believer they are not from something which sunk. Wa I think caught-up in the battle. He had/has a lot of recon there also.

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/13/2017 11:11:43 PM)
PACIFIC Jun 24, 1943 Turn 565 Another couple of dents. [image]local://upfiles/45493/8CA2111D6428497B9FAC787C613FB726.jpg[/image]

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/13/2017 11:12:54 PM)
PACIFIC Jun 24, 1943 Turn 565 That didn't take long. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Saipan (108,93) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 42700 troops, 973 guns, 1115 vehicles, Assault Value = 1959 Defending force 6406 troops, 64 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 90 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Guam (106,95) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 65871 troops, 1727 guns, 1324 vehicles, Assault Value = 3165 Defending force 14988 troops, 109 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 328 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tinian (108,94) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 16153 troops, 180 guns, 223 vehicles, Assault Value = 803 Defending force 833 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rota (107,95) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 15620 troops, 320 guns, 260 vehicles, Assault Value = 658 Defending force 1277 troops, 0 guns, 39 vehicles, Assault Value = 2 [image]local://upfiles/45493/980795724E6A488F968E095C2CA9C3EB.jpg[/image]

Rusty1961 -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/14/2017 1:23:18 AM)
Yikes. He really chopped wood that day with all four taken.

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/14/2017 1:39:14 AM)
Yes he did indeed! PACIFIC Jun 25, 1943 Turn 566 Too many subs. Time to leave. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Pagan at 109,87 Japanese Ships CVL Ryujo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Arikaze Allied Ships SS Flying Fish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Pagan at 109,87 Japanese Ships BB Kirishima, Torpedo hits 2 DD Oyashio DD Urakaze Allied Ships SS Cisco -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Pagan at 109,87 Japanese Ships CV Kaga, Torpedo hits 1 DD Arikaze Allied Ships SS Bowfin [image]local://upfiles/45493/CA2BECD0986742F0A8C2D8518D4DF7BC.jpg[/image]

PaxMondo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/14/2017 4:51:38 AM)
Well, now you've got an idea of what is needed and why. Review the posts that Lowpe and I gave you and get ready. I suspect you lost a lot of units here ... learn from this and be ready for the PI/Bonins/Kuriles next.

Lowpe -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/14/2017 2:15:49 PM)
Ouch... Assuming 100 prep on Marianas, the troops may get 25 prep on their next target so you have some time to prepare before he invades somewhere else. Most likely. There are AFBs that push speed over prep -- and a lot of times they aren't wrong. Why prep if you can take an empty base quickly and reinforce with fresh troops that don't need no stinking prep? Troops do gain prep while loaded on ships however, so not as much time as you may think.[:(]

adarbrauner -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/14/2017 3:03:54 PM)
Yes but how many depth charges attacks have you gained until know?

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/14/2017 11:54:48 PM)
So far I have lost eight Engineer units. I shouldn't lose too many more. (15 PPs) I lost seven air units, five of which I bought back, two I don't need. (~250 PPs) I am already much better shape air wise. Haha-jima is General Defense which will allow me to bring a Restricted Betty and Zero unit down. All my Georges and Jacks are here. I have more ground troops here but still lack Arty, some on the way but never enough. No Armor available. Lots more ships coming, and more mine-layers this time. Still can't make midgets. Junyo is in Iwo, will go to Y/Y in a couple of days. Less damage on the recent hits on the CVs and BB than there was on Junyo so they should make it back if not attacked again.

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/14/2017 11:56:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adarbrauner Yes but how many depth charges attacks have you gained until know? Lots of reported hits by a/c and some DC action but we won't know how effective they were until later. Captain Haggard and I have been pretty open with each other about our sub attacks and losses during the game as it is fun to discuss and gibe each other. We are always interested in the sub vs sub attacks. As a note, there was only one successful sub vs sub torpedo attack during the war, and that was in the Atlantic.

PaxMondo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/15/2017 2:00:16 AM)
Bonins are much harder to defend ... but the principles all still apply. You already know from the Marianas you can't hold with a static defense. You also know that you have to prevent bombardment TF's from reaching your bases. You have a better understanding of the aircraft commits required. The last piece that needs to be in place is your reaction force (elastic defense) that has to be able to arrive within 2 days of his landing. Don't commit forces unless you are prepared to be in, half commits only lose forces. You have at most 60 days until the next landing, and it could be a LOT less. Good Luck!

adarbrauner -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/17/2017 10:57:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: el lobo quote: ORIGINAL: adarbrauner Yes but how many depth charges attacks have you gained until know? Lots of reported hits by a/c and some DC action but we won't know how effective they were until later. Captain Haggard and I have been pretty open with each other about our sub attacks and losses during the game as it is fun to discuss and gibe each other. We are always interested in the sub vs sub attacks. As a note, there was only one successful sub vs sub torpedo attack during the war, and that was in the Atlantic. El Lobo, there wewre a number of submarines against submarines attacks (and sinking) in the war, also in the pacific. Ther was even one instance of a Japanes sub torpdoing a US one, near Truk! I don't think you have to retreat and give way now, in any way. Rio's fleet is vulnerable now, very vulnerable. Particularly for surface assault, a la japanese. Odds are stiil at your advantage, if you've managed to gather and rally enough of your assets. Please... I understand fully that enemy subs are an issue, a bothering one to its least, but still.

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/17/2017 11:49:23 AM)
PACIFIC Jun 27, 1943 Turn 568 We get a good hit but Rio quickly returns the favor. His sinks, ours is still alive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Tinian at 108,95 Japanese Ships SS I-170, hits 3 Allied Ships CVE Prince William, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CA Quincy CL Santa Fe CL Nashville CLAA San Juan DD Converse DD Waller DD Taylor Fuel storage explosion on CVE Prince William SS I-170 launches 4 torpedoes at CVE Prince William -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Pagan at 111,90 Japanese Ships BB Hiei, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage DD Niizuki Allied Ships SS Tullibee SS Tullibee launches 6 torpedoes at BB Hiei [image]local://upfiles/45493/55C9FAFFD9F94448BA168B92A400D7EC.jpg[/image]

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/17/2017 11:50:54 AM)
PACIFIC Jun 28, 1943 Turn 569 We take a run at Saipan. Lowpe was right. a day or two too late and we hit the PTs. Five eventually sunk. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 109,92, Range 5,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Ise BB Hyuga DD Michishio DD Yamagumo DD Minegumo DD Asagumo DD Kasumi DD Mutsuki Allied Ships PT-62 PT-63, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-64 PT-65 Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 6,000 yards [image]local://upfiles/45493/3302ABD2BE8D4108B2E9E611D58992D4.jpg[/image]

adarbrauner -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/17/2017 12:25:32 PM)
Kudos for the run. I suspect though there's much more than Pts there, so maybe a run with 2 BBs only may not suffice, be careful.... Thuynderstorm may advantage greatly IJN in surface combat I think, what the experts say? Good hit to the CV, 25 Wildcats less, this is CRITICAL for Rio at this stage. Prince William? Is it English?? where are Yamato and Musashi? The Kongos? Where are the heavy cruisers?

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/17/2017 12:30:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adarbrauner El Lobo, there wewre a number of submarines against submarines attacks (and sinking) in the war, also in the pacific. Ther was even one instance of a Japanes sub torpdoing a US one, near Truk! Capt. Haggard is an ol' Navy guy and somewhat of a history buff. He sent me an article quite awhile back about the sub vs sub torpedo attack. I don't have it anymore but it was very interesting. The article stated that this was the only successful sub vs sub torpedo attack so that is why I mentioned it. However if you have more stories I would be interested and know Capt. Haggard would be very much also. You can post them or your sources here or PM them to me. quote: I don't think you have to retreat and give way now, in any way. Rio's fleet is vulnerable now, very vulnerable. Particularly for surface assault, a la japanese. Odds are stiil at your advantage, if you've managed to gather and rally enough of your assets. Please... I understand fully that enemy subs are an issue, a bothering one to its least, but still. I think you are right. I needed to retreat the KBs as for now their air is not effective against his forces. Rio and I have been discussing this attack, just the strategy of it, and how he has been planing this since day one. However he let slip the fact that he has taken precautions to guard against the KB. He said that we could discuss that latter or after the war. But I think we can pretty much figure it out. Pax alluded to it earlier, that he may load his ships with fighters. If you look at the CVE Prince William above, she had all fighters. Which means that you are correct in that he is more vulnerable to surface attacks. I have sent all my capital ships back to Chichi-jima to rearm. Three BBs will be in the yard for awhile but two more are a day out. I have taken pains to group the same class DDs together and once I have all of my SCTFs armed and organized, I will go at him again. As I mentioned earlier, we are getting good hits and DC attacks on his subs. He moved them in around Pagan to go after the KBs and capital ship and now I am busy hitting them as fast as the AI will allow. If one in ten is effective, we are sending some back to the yard.

adarbrauner -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/17/2017 12:35:34 PM)
CaptHaggard "Too, I also want to take this opportunity to salute our opponent, El Lobo. That guy has had zero exposure to wargames prior to this campaign, neither boardgames or computer games. He's doing an amazing job and proving himself to be a most cunning and intelligent opponent."

el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (5/17/2017 2:51:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adarbrauner CaptHaggard "Too, I also want to take this opportunity to salute our opponent, El Lobo. That guy has had zero exposure to wargames prior to this campaign, neither boardgames or computer games. He's doing an amazing job and proving himself to be a most cunning and intelligent opponent." Not quite adarbrauner. Go back and read my post #1087. Capt. Haggard has been playing board games most of his life. He started with his brother when he was a kid with those games that used the paper hexagon shaped playing pieces. However this is his first witp-ae experience and you are right, he is a good opponent.

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