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el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (1/16/2018 2:01:06 AM)

Thanks GA.

His PTs have been devastating (see Oct 26) and I have finally gotten them pushed back.

Not sure what you mean by a "dozen AKEs in Taihoku = daily rundowns."

My Nicks have been hitting his PTs lately. I want to try some other type a/c on this also but so far I have my airfields jammed with fighters and no room to try anything else. Anybody had any luck with anything else?



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (1/16/2018 2:03:18 AM)

FORMOSA Oct 30, 1943 Turn 692

We withstood the attack at Karenko. I have an ID unloading there and an engineer unit heading in.

I now have two George units and one Jack unit at Hengchun with full AV support.

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PaxMondo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (1/16/2018 12:54:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: el lobo


My Nicks have been hitting his PTs lately.

Nick should be your best choice. Pilot skill is the key, you need high strafe/low level naval bombing skills for these guys.



GetAssista -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (1/16/2018 2:21:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: el lobo
Not sure what you mean by a "dozen AKEs in Taihoku = daily rundowns."

Large AKEs can reload anything up to and incuding BBs from any type of port. Given short distances (yay, low fuel expenditures too) you can base your bombardments out of Taihoku and hit all the US bases on Formosa. It does not look like large Navy ships have more important missions currently.
he would not be able to stop you with PTs if you sweep them enough to empty the pools. He would not be able to stop you with subs either - shallow waters make it costly.



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (1/17/2018 7:12:55 AM)

Thanks Pax, GA, noted.

FORMOSA Oct 30, 1943 Turn 692

We withstood another attack at Karenko. I will DA him out of there next turn.

If the movement arrows are to be believed, it appears Rio has twigged my trap at Hungchun. I will start moving from there toward Takao.

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el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (1/26/2018 12:24:29 PM)

FORMOSA Nov 7, 1943 Turn 701

We kicked him out of Karenko and the Allied unit there has made it all the way to the hex NE of Hungchun. He now has three units in that hex so it looks like he is moving back to Takao. I was hopping to be able to beat-up his units before they did this.

It has been a slow process, loading, un-loading, adjusting TFs. I presently have two IDs at Taichu, two out of Karenko and one moving out of Hungchun. I still have two more to load and move along with more Arty, some Armor and AA.

Rio got beat-up in the air again recently and has left me alone for awhile. As a result I have 214 Georges, Jacks, and Tonys ready, three not ready, on Formosa alone, and more surrounding. We have a love/hate relation with Georges. I love them, Rio hates them.

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el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (2/4/2018 8:52:18 AM)

FORMOSA Nov 15, 1943 Turn 709

An ID arrived in the hex NE of Hungchun. There are four Allied units there. I have an ID out of Hungchun due next turn and two more on the way from Karenko. All action on my part will wait until all four are in that hex along with some support, about ten days.

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el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (2/18/2018 10:56:05 AM)

FORMOSA Nov 21, 1943 Turn 715

The hex NE of Hengchun now has six Allied units there. I have 1650 AV there. I am waiting for one more ID, the one moving that is three hexes NE, and two tank units. It is taking the tanks forever to unload at Karenko.

I have two more IDs on the water and more support inbound.

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PaxMondo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (2/19/2018 1:34:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: el lobo

We have a love/hate relation with Georges. I love them, Rio hates them.



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Lowpe -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (2/19/2018 1:12:23 PM)

Fly in a Naval HQ to Karenko to help with those tanks.



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (2/20/2018 6:30:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Fly in a Naval HQ to Karenko to help with those tanks.

Thanks. I have one Nav HQ on the seas, but you are right. I will fly a closer one in an replace it with the floating HQ

I have an Armor Div inbound and that will surly help.



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (2/20/2018 6:31:25 AM)

FORMOSA Nov 22, 1943 Turn 716

The hex NE of Hengchun now has thirteen Allied units there. It looks like Rio wants to fight there which is fine by me for a couple of reasons. One is no forts.

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GetAssista -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (2/20/2018 1:59:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: el lobo
It looks like Rio wants to fight there which is fine by me for a couple of reasons. One is no forts.

This is important misconception. In fact forts will be indestructible (and individual to each unit) if you give them time to build. One of the important things for China defence is to build sizeable forts in the wilderness by keeping troops stationary for months.
On the other hand, if you capture all the bases, his supply in the wilderness will run out very fast because LCUs store imited amount on them



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (2/21/2018 2:41:33 AM)

Thanks GA. I understand what you are saying and please forgive me for my abbreviated AAR.

What I mean is that, I would rather fight him there, even if he has forts one or two, rather than fight him in Takao where I am sure he must have forts three or better by now.

Part of my plan was to stall as long as I needed to get enough in that hex to really pound him. As you can see below, the element of surprise (as to how much I have there) is now gone. I can now DA or wait longer for more troops but I think either way he will now retreat back to Takao. I will DA him next turn and hopefully if he retreats, it will be in a diminished state.

FORMOSA Nov 23, 1943 Turn 717

An ID just unloaded at Karenko and will head south. My other ID on the seas will unload at Taihoku as well as the Armor Div. I am flying the Nav HQ into Taihoku rather than Karenko as the Tank Div will have priority.

It appears that Rio is moving more units out of Kagi to Taichu which I like. The further away from Takao the better.

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Ground combat at 85,66 (near Takao)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1835 troops, 151 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 1042

Defending force 60044 troops, 607 guns, 85 vehicles, Assault Value = 2133

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

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el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/16/2018 9:14:12 AM)

FORMOSA Nov 24, 1943 Turn 718

This DA was a tactical disaster but maybe a strategical advantage. We will see.

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Ground combat at 85,66 (near Takao)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 60145 troops, 608 guns, 85 vehicles, Assault Value = 2137

Defending force 27228 troops, 617 guns, 749 vehicles, Assault Value = 1042

Japanese adjusted assault: 635

Allied adjusted defense: 5563

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 8

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
8087 casualties reported
Squads: 63 destroyed, 624 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 88 disabled
Guns lost 69 (5 destroyed, 64 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (4 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
162 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 48 (2 destroyed, 46 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)

[image]local://upfiles/45493/82AA0D3050CE4519880499818445B119.jpg[/image]



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/16/2018 9:16:25 AM)

CHINA Nov 25, 1943 Turn 719

Rio made a mistake here. His old eyes did not see the river on the map and mistakenly shock attacked. This will set him back, but not long. I was in the perfect position to counter attack except for one big factor, I have no supply.

Ironically, is is because of the difficulty in keeping Paoshan supplied, and the fact that I am being surrounded, I am in the process of abandoning Paoshan.

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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 119762 troops, 2583 guns, 1876 vehicles, Assault Value = 3277

Defending force 86566 troops, 896 guns, 699 vehicles, Assault Value = 2816

Allied adjusted assault: 1063

Japanese adjusted defense: 23443

Allied assault odds: 1 to 22 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
972 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 52 (8 destroyed, 44 disabled)
Vehicles lost 19 (1 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
15571 casualties reported
Squads: 811 destroyed, 1777 disabled
Non Combat: 235 destroyed, 1168 disabled
Engineers: 253 destroyed, 363 disabled
Guns lost 502 (107 destroyed, 395 disabled)
Vehicles lost 387 (87 destroyed, 300 disabled)


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el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/16/2018 9:18:11 AM)

FORMOSA Nov 30, 1943 Turn 724

After a day's break, Rio is back to bombarding daily. This is good for me because if he is bombarding, he is not moving.

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Ground combat at 85,66 (near Takao)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2285 troops, 191 guns, 127 vehicles, Assault Value = 1034

Defending force 69152 troops, 736 guns, 95 vehicles, Assault Value = 2114

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/16/2018 9:21:01 AM)

Dec 1, 1943 Turn 725

Frank R begins production.

Dec 2, 1943 Turn 726

N1K2-j George begins production.


FORMOSA Dec 4, 1943 Turn 728

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Ground combat at Taichu (86,64)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 74520 troops, 677 guns, 963 vehicles, Assault Value = 2645

Defending force 16689 troops, 267 guns, 363 vehicles, Assault Value = 561

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1167

Allied adjusted defense: 714

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5496 casualties reported
Squads: 125 destroyed, 223 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 46 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 25 disabled
Guns lost 46 (5 destroyed, 41 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (2 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1007 casualties reported
Squads: 93 destroyed, 141 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 88 (17 destroyed, 71 disabled)

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el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/16/2018 9:22:53 AM)

FORMOSA Dec 6, 1943 Turn 730

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Ground combat at Taichu (86,64)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 71230 troops, 676 guns, 961 vehicles, Assault Value = 2375

Defending force 14747 troops, 255 guns, 363 vehicles, Assault Value = 341

Japanese adjusted assault: 834

Allied adjusted defense: 334

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2923 casualties reported
Squads: 48 destroyed, 168 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 57 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 21 (3 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 37 (6 destroyed, 31 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2483 casualties reported
Squads: 75 destroyed, 168 disabled
Non Combat: 68 destroyed, 93 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 81 (26 destroyed, 55 disabled)
Vehicles lost 71 (26 destroyed, 45 disabled)



adarbrauner -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/16/2018 11:14:11 AM)

You're winning at Formosa. Good.

But why relinquishing Paoshan, won't you regret it?



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/17/2018 12:10:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

But why relinquishing Paoshan, won't you regret it?

Not nearly as badly as I would losing 3500 AV and the twenty or so support units along with them.



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/17/2018 12:12:46 AM)

FORMOSA Dec 9, 1943 Turn 733

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Ground combat at Taichu (86,64)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 68860 troops, 675 guns, 956 vehicles, Assault Value = 2219

Defending force 12743 troops, 233 guns, 345 vehicles, Assault Value = 233

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 1372

Allied adjusted defense: 104

Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Taichu !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2298 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 172 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4320 casualties reported
Squads: 251 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 634 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 35 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 122 (119 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 376 (371 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Units retreated 5
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Good job Betty.


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Lowpe -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/17/2018 5:41:59 PM)

Very nice![&o]

A good counter to this early deep push is getting the Frank R up and running,add to that a healthy amount of Georges and you should be able really do some damage.



adarbrauner -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/18/2018 8:17:42 AM)

Delivering the hell down there in Formosa



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/18/2018 12:58:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Very nice![&o]

A good counter to this early deep push is getting the Frank R up and running,add to that a healthy amount of Georges and you should be able really do some damage.


quote:

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

Delivering the hell down there in Formosa


Thanks.

The first Frank R unit will deploy in about four days.

About once a week Rio makes a massive air attack on Formosa. I have lots of Georges there. Here is this turn's results.

[image]local://upfiles/45493/6FBA7F07F97E43B2A976E2082AC765DC.jpg[/image]



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/18/2018 1:03:58 PM)

Advice needed.

What is the best way for me to attack Kagi form Taichu? There is a river crossing and I want as few of my forces possible devastated in the Shock Attack. I have 2K AV at Taichu and will have another 1K in about a week. I anticipate Rio having about 1K at Kagi.

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Lowpe -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/18/2018 2:29:02 PM)

What is your DL on it? That report looks suspiciously light on guns and AFVs for that many Allied units.

Your best bet is coordinated heavy shore bombardment and aerial bombardment if in fact the guns are so few there with a river crossing and at least 25+ prep. Make sure to have three levels of HQ prepping and within range too.




PaxMondo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/19/2018 3:55:59 AM)

HQ prep, particularly a command HQ, is critical aspect.



el lobo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/19/2018 11:50:36 PM)


Thanks.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

What is your DL on it? Where do I find this?

Make sure to have three levels of HQ ... (???)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

HQ prep, particularly a command HQ, is critical aspect.


Can you give me your definition of command HQ? This has always confused me. In my Ground Unit drop down, all of the Command HQ are static restricted.





PaxMondo -> RE: The Gamiest Game in Town. El Lobo (J), vs. Rio Bravo (A) (3/20/2018 12:56:48 AM)

Southern Army, 5th Fleet amoung others are unrestricted Command HQ's. China army is restricted, but doesn't matter if you get it to HK, it will be within range of Formosa.

When you open up the unit detail, the HQ is described as COMMAND HQ ....




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