RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls

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vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (7/31/2015 5:20:29 PM)
April 26th, 1942 Northern China Full Retreat in Northern China. The 1st Army continues west. The 12th Army closes in on Ankang. About 100k Chinese troops will be potentially cutoff at Ankang. [image]local://upfiles/28990/FBD05A72013648949E8DB9C33F35894E.jpg[/image]

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (7/31/2015 5:22:23 PM)
Central China The 25th Army pushes on retreating Chinese units. The 11th will cross the river towards Chungking. For the last week, the Chinese haven't put up resistance. [image]local://upfiles/28990/66111D9B31144BBFB724DDE046D4B546.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (7/31/2015 5:23:52 PM)
They are probably out of supply now. Not much point in fighting after that! [:)]

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/2/2015 12:45:41 AM)
April 28th, 1942 China is collapsing. I kinda feel sorry for China. kinda. 1st Army This attack occurred primarily with Armor only as my divisions were in move mode and just made it into the hex. Ground combat at 79,41 (near Kienko) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 3447 troops, 99 guns, 422 vehicles, Assault Value = 1030 Defending force 32587 troops, 183 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 476 Japanese adjusted assault: 153 Allied adjusted defense: 142 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 40 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 1256 casualties reported Squads: 49 destroyed, 127 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Guns lost 13 (6 destroyed, 7 disabled) Assaulting units: 26th Division 6th Division 9th Tank Regiment 15th Tank Regiment 5th Tank Regiment 13th Tank Regiment 23rd Tank Regiment 10th Tank Regiment 2nd Ind Engineer Regiment 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 8th Ind Engineer Regiment 1st Mortar Battalion 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 5th Armored Car Co Defending units: 41st Chinese Corps 93rd Chinese Corps 19th Chinese Corps 9th Chinese Corps 61st Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps 90th Chinese Corps 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment 48th Chinese Corps 7th Group Army 38th Chinese Corps 34th Separate Brigade 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment 12th Army A single brigade crossed the river and still managed to do as much damage as it took. Ground combat at 82,41 (near Sian) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 6003 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 136 Defending force 39950 troops, 160 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 724 Japanese adjusted assault: 81 Allied adjusted defense: 907 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 11 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-) Japanese ground losses: 286 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 40 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Allied ground losses: 189 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 7th Ind.Mixed Brigade Defending units: 16th Chinese Corps 36th Chinese Corps 72nd Chinese Corps 99th Chinese Corps Red Chinese Army 34th Chinese Corps 14th Group Army 15th Group Army 3rd Group Army 22nd Group Army 8th Group Army 57th AT Gun Regiment 12th Army Units pushing towards Ankang. Ground combat at 83,42 (near Sian) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 10967 troops, 72 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 332 Defending force 23749 troops, 113 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 559 Japanese adjusted assault: 303 Allied adjusted defense: 352 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: leaders(+) Japanese ground losses: 54 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Allied ground losses: 215 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled) Assaulting units: 69th Division Defending units: 13th Chinese Corps 29th Chinese Corps 31st Group Army

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/2/2015 12:51:18 AM)
Against a determined Japanese attack, I'm not sure what I would do as Allies. Lots of air transport into China is obvious. But is that enough? Once the Burma road is cut, a massive pullback into (hopefully) fortified cities? A pull back to the mountains between Burma and Kweiyang? Perhaps sacrificing a few units to slow up Japan, sacrifice units for time? Can Allies mount an offensive into Burma this early into 42? I think Bill made a critical mistake leaving too many units too close to Japanese units. Trying to defend the Sian area and then stay around to cutoff the Sian LOC have enabled me to destroy thousands of squads with relatively no losses. I now have a straight shot into the heartland of China and his troops are slowing trying to escape from Ankang. From this point on, I'll always been attacking with any units in contact with Chinese. Not going to wait or play conservative. They are on the ropes. Time to finish them.

witpqs -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/2/2015 1:50:40 AM)
quote: China is collapsing. I kinda feel sorry for China. kinda. When you feel a bought of that coming on og back and read one of our old AARs!

witpqs -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/2/2015 1:59:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vicberg Against a determined Japanese attack, I'm not sure what I would do as Allies. Lots of air transport into China is obvious. But is that enough? Once the Burma road is cut, a massive pullback into (hopefully) fortified cities? A pull back to the mountains between Burma and Kweiyang? Perhaps sacrificing a few units to slow up Japan, sacrifice units for time? Can Allies mount an offensive into Burma this early into 42? I think Bill made a critical mistake leaving too many units too close to Japanese units. Trying to defend the Sian area and then stay around to cutoff the Sian LOC have enabled me to destroy thousands of squads with relatively no losses. I now have a straight shot into the heartland of China and his troops are slowing trying to escape from Ankang. From this point on, I'll always been attacking with any units in contact with Chinese. Not going to wait or play conservative. They are on the ropes. Time to finish them. It is a hard problem. Air transport of supply is not enough by a wide margin. The Allies must open a route from Burma as early as possible. Opening the Burma Road itself is even better. All of those things you mention are pieces or potential pieces of the puzzle, but they don't guarantee that the Allies will not be wiped out in China. It's a similar situation to that of the Japanese Empire in the game overall - can the Allies buy enough time in China to come to the rescue? One key is keeping enough units to keep Chungking as long as possible. As far as an Allied offensive at that point in '42, I think that depends upon the course of the game up to that point. In all but the best cases (where the Empire has repeatedly really gotten trounced prior) I think it's very dicey. The Allies could find themselves trapped and large formations destroyed by a timely invasion into India behind them.

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/2/2015 6:55:33 PM)
May 1st, 1942 The Nick and upgraded Nell come online today. I've still got serious problems trying to get my R&D to expand in the home islands in spite of having plenty of supply at the key bases. I've shut down quite a bit to see if that will keep the more critical (Tojo/A6M4) repairing. I've also got serious supply issues now in Java, Sumatra. Malaya seems to be the only spot with sufficient supply. China is doing ok in terms of supply. It's almost self-sufficient now. I've temporarily shut down oil repairs in Sumatra, Miri, etc...Fuel and oil are not a major concern right now. I'm down to one picture to show the war in China. That's not good for China. Brought up the 23rd HQ and now a 4 pronged push to Chungking while the 25th Army recreates Sherman's march to the sea (minus all the burning and pillaging and not actually marching to the sea nor marching east). [image]local://upfiles/28990/749722C7946D4FD98D602C13CE359074.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/2/2015 7:40:05 PM)
quote: The Nick and upgraded Nell come online today. I've still got serious problems trying to get my R&D to expand in the home islands in spite of having plenty of supply at the key bases. I've shut down quite a bit to see if that will keep the more critical (Tojo/A6M4) repairing. This will not help. Your R&D will repair faster the closer you are to their date. Since your Tojos are due within a few months they will repair soon. The only other influence besides over 10k supplies is if that particular airframe has over 500 engines stockpiled. Don't expect too many R&D factories for your 45 and 46 airframes to repair any time soon.

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/2/2015 8:08:01 PM)
ahhh....mystery solved. This helps a lot.

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/2/2015 8:11:23 PM)
I just went through tracker with a fine tooth comb. I have resource/manpower/light industry/repair shipyards/oil/refinery shipyards repairing everywhere. No wonder I'm having supply issues almost everywhere. Problem will be fixed when I get turn back.

ny59giants -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/2/2015 8:22:34 PM)
quote: I just went through tracker with a fine tooth comb. I have resource/manpower/light industry/repair shipyards/oil/refinery shipyards repairing everywhere. No wonder I'm having supply issues almost everywhere. Problem will be fixed when I get turn back. Never repair Resources and Manpower. You shouldn't run short on either. Oil gets a high priority for repairs by me. Refineries are one of those that players disagree upon. There are plenty in Japan for your needs, but since your economy lives and dies by fuel, I like to have fuel stockpiled everywhere vs oil. You can just hit the "J" button next turn. Then, turn off all and go through each industry to see what repairs you can turn off.

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 12:50:34 AM)
May 5th, 1942 Beginning of the end or end of the beginning, depending on viewpoint. *1st Army* Kienko drops 3 forts from a river crossing with another division crossing today Ground combat at Kienko (78,41) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 18886 troops, 221 guns, 499 vehicles, Assault Value = 661 Defending force 22643 troops, 135 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 194 Japanese adjusted assault: 220 Allied adjusted defense: 69 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 443 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Vehicles lost 31 (2 destroyed, 29 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1829 casualties reported Squads: 55 destroyed, 51 disabled Non Combat: 38 destroyed, 44 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 21 (5 destroyed, 16 disabled) Units destroyed 1 Assaulting units: 8th Ind Engineer Regiment 23rd Tank Regiment 13th Tank Regiment 26th Division 5th Armored Car Co 5th Tank Regiment 9th Tank Regiment 2nd Ind Engineer Regiment 15th Tank Regiment 10th Tank Regiment 1st Mortar Battalion 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 19th Chinese Corps 61st Chinese Corps 93rd Chinese Corps 9th Chinese Corps 41st Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment 38th Chinese Corps 48th Chinese Corps 7th Group Army 90th Chinese Corps 4th Heavy Mortar Regiment *11th Army* 120 miles south of Chungking Ground combat at 78,47 (near Chungking) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 41861 troops, 346 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 1161 Defending force 1335 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Japanese adjusted assault: 970 Allied adjusted defense: 7 Japanese assault odds: 138 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Allied ground losses: 1962 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 124 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Units destroyed 1 Assaulting units: 40th Division 3rd Division 9th Division 11th Army Defending units: 20th Group Army *Elements of the 12th Army* Cross a river, west of Ankang. Ground combat at 81,42 (near Ankang) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 25914 troops, 270 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 745 Defending force 3911 troops, 53 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 43 Japanese adjusted assault: 615 Allied adjusted defense: 40 Japanese assault odds: 15 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 88 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 1667 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 88 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 20 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 20 (20 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 7 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 110th Division 41st Division 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 1st Construction Regiment 56th AT Gun Regiment 1st Artillery Regiment 18th Artillery Regiment 20th Artillery Regiment 22nd Artillery Regiment 7th Artillery Regiment 4th Chinese Base Force

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 6:15:28 PM)
The minister of R&D has officially committed Seppuku. 5 months wasted. I've learned the following: 1) R&D factory, when the model becomes available, may be converted to next generation R&D without cost or time. Boom instant next generation research 2) R&D factory, when the model becomes available, may be converted to produce that model. Takes time to convert but no supply cost 3) Producing factory, when the model becomes available, may be upgraded to produce the new model with no cost and immediate full production. Now that this is clear (and CF tried to explain to me), I'm going to create 30 point production facilities for the following. I'll convert the R&D to next gen and keep upgrading the production facilities - 2 for A6M5 down to A6M8 (CV capable) - 2 for A6M4 down to A6M8-J (not CV Capable) - 2 for George series For the Army - 2 for Tojo series - 2 for Tony Series - 1 for Frank Series Night Fighters - 1 for all except Dinah and Judy Bombers - 1 for Judy - 1 for Jill - 1 for Nell - 1 for Betty - 1 for Helen - 1 for Grace That will be it. That leaves me a bunch of unused R&D which I'll set to planes coming in so they can convert to production facilities with historical R&D. Too much? Too Little?

GetAssista -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 7:58:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vicberg That leaves me a bunch of unused R&D which I'll set to planes coming in so they can convert to production facilities with historical R&D. Too much? Too Little? Running wisdom is that Japan should heavily R&D fighters above anything else. I'm not versed in BTS, but doubt mod authors changed anything about this. Judy line is also very important for carrier striking power. In general, concentrating on fewer better planes and capitalizing on them early is better than forwarding a lot of planes just a couple months each.

mind_messing -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 8:09:50 PM)
Q1: No Jack or A7M2 for the IJN? There's no consensus on this board regarding the Jack vs George, but I think the A7M2 is a necessity for the late-war - as a carrier fighter if not a land-based fighter. Q2: Is the IJA getting no research for the late-war Oscar models? They make excellent kamis, and building a pool strikes me as a good idea.

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 9:21:34 PM)
Whether it is the Mod or something else, the later war GEORGE series (there's a J model which I don't think is in DBB or stock) which comes in at the same time as the A7M2, is almost as fast (except cruise speed), just as durable, same firepower and CV capable. The A7M3 is a monster with guns, but uses the very inaccurate 30mm guns. So unless I'm missing something, the A7M2 is it's own development line, so why research? There is no Jack in this MOD. I believe it was replaced by a new A6M4 series (which upgrades from the non-CV A6M3 series). [image]local://upfiles/28990/D5BE1FAA2F1D453CA0B4F90133D77D85.jpg[/image]

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 9:26:03 PM)
And here's a comparison of end of line George to A7M3. The A7M3-J (not sure if that's in stock or DBB) uses inaccurate 30mm guns, so skipping that one, though it has a gun rating of 30, doesn't matter if it can't hit anything. The Late war George vs. the Late war A7M3, I see the George as a better plane overall. Again, if I'm missing something. [image]local://upfiles/28990/B605BACE98364D52A1BB92C822E722EC.jpg[/image]

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 9:29:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing Q2: Is the -No Jack or A7M2 for the IJNIJA getting no research for the late-war Oscar models? They make excellent kamis, and building a pool strikes me as a good idea. Right now, I'm not going to research the late war Oscar. I really hate the entire line of planes. Hopeless undergunned and no armor even late war. After reading through Lowpe's AAR, it's a tough call. Convert those groups to better defensive planes or use them as Kamis. Lowpe's Kami's aren't doing much, if anything.

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 9:32:31 PM)
So right now, 22 factories at 30 R&D each. This should have been started in December, but just now getting to it as I just now understand the air research mechanics. I'll consider the A7M2 series just in case. The 30 gun rating for the A7M3-J is so tempting but the accuracy is so bad. I may add a second Judy and Jill to push those down the line farther.

Lowpe -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 9:44:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vicberg quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing Lowpe's Kami's aren't doing much, if anything. Hey! Hey! Hey!!!! They die at a pretty good clip.[:D] Andav has had some really great small scale use of kamikazes. It is the operator, err, the pilot.[:D]

Lowpe -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 9:46:48 PM)
Holy smokes, those Georges aren't Georges.[:D] I am playing the wrong the game.[&:]

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 9:48:38 PM)
You had to go say that. 660 in R&D already not including the SAM or Oscar. No idea if I'm going to drive my economy into the dirt.

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/3/2015 9:53:29 PM)
Not sure how much has changed in this mod, but the Tony line leads to great late tony planes and the george has great late war george planes. The one thing I notice is the A7M3 is carrier capable and the George-J isn't. But am I going to have carriers by then?

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/5/2015 9:41:27 PM)
May 12th, 1942 It's been like this for days now. I haven't posted the results. Everywhere I attack, 10k in Chinese losses and I take hardly any. My divisions are all almost full strength again. High experience. He left a couple of units behind around Yenan, they just got splattered. He tried a crossing into Kweiyang that was repulsed with a couple of straggler units. The 1st Army is getting similar results. Looks like Ankang was a supply depot of some type. A few days of airfield attacks have received around 20 air supply hits. Changsha has little supply as I'm getting no air supply hits there. I'm about reaching the end of the range from Hankow and Canton. I'm moving air support engineers inland for the final push. Luckily, Sallies are within range from Burma for the western most Chinese cities (up to Kumming). *Central China - 25th Army Continues it's Western Push* Ground combat at 71,49 (near Kunming) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 16195 troops, 126 guns, 358 vehicles, Assault Value = 634 Defending force 40036 troops, 213 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 739 Japanese adjusted assault: 299 Allied adjusted defense: 127 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 360 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Vehicles lost 25 (1 destroyed, 24 disabled) Allied ground losses: 10261 casualties reported Squads: 450 destroyed, 6 disabled Non Combat: 548 destroyed, 28 disabled Engineers: 31 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 52 (50 destroyed, 2 disabled) Units retreated 9 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 8th Tank Regiment 18th Division 4th Tank Regiment 8th Armored Car Co 1st Tank Regiment 6th Tank Regiment Defending units: 32nd Chinese Corps 87th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese Corps 73rd Chinese Corps 44th Chinese Corps 94th Chinese Corps 9th War Area 19th Group Army 21st Group Army

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/5/2015 10:00:20 PM)
Judging from my recon, which is inaccurate, Bill is terribly over-stacked and has been in most places throughout this campaign. This was especially true around Sian and Lanchow. Once Bill started pulling back, I believe he struggled with the stacking limits. He had just too many troops moving too slow to get out of the way. This is another good reason to stack Chinese in the big cities with forts. This is also a good reason to not give up Burma without a fight. Burma is the key to the longevity of China. In the attack above, it was a 20k stacking limit hex, so only 1 Japanese division with armor attacked. 10k of losses has to be coming from being over-stacked as recon showed 50k of Chinese troops and the above combat shows 40k of troops. He has at least that many in the hex just west of this attack hex, so now his stacking problems have doubled since the 40k of troops just retreated. There's a tipping affect that happens after the Burma road is cut. Though I believe that Chinese supply is the #1 cause, Wenchow gives me pause. Wenchow can seemingly hold for a long time without a concerted effort. In this game, the Chinese units in Wenchow are continuing to get stronger. I wonder if LOTS of Chinese troops in city hexes, like Wenchow (supply sources) can survive for a long time or at least make it incredibly painful for the Japanese to take the hex, which will slow the entire advance. In this game, disruption/supply/experience are coming up constantly. The Chinese Army started taking more and more losses they can't replenish and eventually, the tipping affect happened. They can't fight anymore. Disruption is the key to this, I believe.

ny59giants -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/5/2015 10:07:09 PM)
Air data stats - Stock is different now from DBB/RA/BTS mods for long time. So, Lowpe you have to take that in consideration when commenting in various threads.

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/5/2015 10:12:21 PM)
Stock seems to me to be an AFB dream. Want a realistic game where the Japanese get hammered to pieces and the only unknown is when, play stock. Want a game where the Japanese will most likely get hammered but have a chance, play DBB or RA or BTS.

Lowpe -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/5/2015 11:37:38 PM)
Aren't Japanese torpedoes a weakened in this mod?

vicberg -> RE: Did I wake that giant AGAIN? vicberg(j) vs. BillBrown(A) - No Bill Pls (8/6/2015 12:37:42 AM)
May 13th, 1942 *China* I have no idea about torpedo quality in this mod and since there's been NO surface actions since the beginning of the war, I can't speak to it. Each Army is a true corp with 3 divisions each. There's a few extra divisions rolling around Ankang area that will most likely pull garrison duty at close of this campaign. The white circles show attacks either scheduled or will be scheduled in a day. I'm feeling brave and crossing into Changsha with just 3 divisions from the 11th Army. They may take a beating but the disruption to the Chinese troops is worth it. I'm not the most patient person and if they get really beaten up, I'll just rest them and wait for the others. [image]local://upfiles/28990/7CB4449885EE46EDB0545E20E2FA2CFD.jpg[/image]

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