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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/11/2015 8:31:23 PM)

Units destroyed during S/O 1939. And lots of ships got damaged.

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AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/11/2015 8:32:29 PM)

USSR to defence, thanks.



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/12/2015 10:32:17 AM)

US puts it's entry chit in the Jap pool and selects Chinese build aircraft. On a 4, the tension doesn't change.



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/13/2015 6:56:43 PM)


Germany reorganizes everything else except:

Ju52
Gneisenau
Deutchland
Admiral Graf Spee

That makes total 2,45 oil used (=2 oil used). Germany uses Bratislava and Königsberg oils.

Italy reorganizes everything else except:

Trieste
Bolzano

That makes total 0,45 oil used (=0 oil used).

Japan reorganizes everything. That makes total 1,45 oil used (=1 oil used). Japan uses oil in Kobe.

Allies reorg everything except a French CL. US and CW expend oil points.



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/13/2015 6:59:12 PM)

Italy breaks down 3-3 INF in La Spezia into 2x 1-3 INF div.

No scrap for Axis.

Production

Germany 12
Pilot
LND2
INF
3x MIL
MOT div

Italy 2
Trans (repair)

Japan 10
AMPH (1st)
3x MIL
CVL (1st)

Factory destruction:

Liege, Lodz, Nanking, Shanghai and Canton.

Reinforcements

Germany assigns pilot to Bf109 E-1.
3x MIL
INF in Cologne
AT gun in Saarbrucken
ARM div in Cologne
INF div in Dusselfdorf
Bf109 in Saarbrucken

Germany removes Hs123

Italy assigns pilot to CR-42
CR.42 in Milan
MOT in Genoa

Japan
4x MIL

Germany sends 3 BP's (termporary) to Italy as token of friendship.



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/13/2015 7:05:24 PM)

Allies don't do any breakdowns.

CW scraps a few.

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AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/13/2015 7:08:32 PM)

Just realised, the German production is more than 12. What do you wish to change? Looks like only 1 Mil can be built if you want to keep the rest.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/13/2015 7:20:11 PM)

Can you please check Germany production, Oil resources, Received oil. All 4 received oil should be saved (in Breslau, Budapest x2 and Brno). That leaves 18 production points and 12 (14-2 sent to USSR) BP's.

EDIT: Now I see the problem

This should be correct:
Pilot
LND2
3x MIL
MOT div

I planned to build INF and did not remove it from the list. Sorry.



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/13/2015 9:58:49 PM)

We have a technical problem. Cagliari is still showing as Italian controlled. When I progress the turn to the conquest phase, Sardinia is remaining as Italian. I've posted it to the Tech forum to see if it can be fixed.

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/13/2015 10:15:01 PM)

If sardinia would have been conquered by taking that city Italy will not land units using this bug. You can move that div and take the city.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/13/2015 11:46:15 PM)

I could be wrong, and I do not have access to the rules at the moment, but I think you have to take all ports to conquer.

On the Allies scrap: I'm not sure I would have scrapped the CW TRS, the POL INF div, or even possibly the CW MOT.



Courtenay -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 5:04:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

I could be wrong, and I do not have access to the rules at the moment, but I think you have to take all ports to conquer.

On the Allies scrap: I'm not sure I would have scrapped the CW TRS, the POL INF div, or even possibly the CW MOT.

Yes. Since Sardinia is a territory, not a minor country (no capital), you have to take both ports to conquer it. The failure to change control of Cagliari is still a bug, of course; I have posted a corrected saved game to your Tech support thread.

This bug has been fixed. However, do not use the most recent public beta; the new compiler introduced some new, absolutely game stopping bugs. These are being dealt with, but do not use the new public beta for anything but testing.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 6:50:37 PM)

At the end of turn, why Italy can't use oil to reorganize fighter in Sicily?

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AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 6:51:43 PM)

The bug can only have been fixed in the new beta as we are using 1.4.5.



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 6:52:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

At the end of turn, why Italy can't use oil to reorganize fighter in Sicily?

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Limited supply across straits?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 6:56:57 PM)

9.6.2. LIMITED SUPPLY ACROSS STRAITS

When this optional rule is in effect, the presence of enemy naval units in a sea area may prevent the use of the straits for tracing supply. Specifically, if the presence of enemy units prevents tracing an overseas supply path into the sea area that the straits cross, then: (1) resources cannot be transported across the straits, (2) units cannot trace supply across the straits, and (3) units cannot rail move across the straits. The effect of this rule is to make control of the associated sea area crucial when you want to use a straits.


I think I don't have to trace route from oil to unit?



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 7:00:47 PM)

I thought oil dependent units still had to be able to trace a supply path back to an oil source. It's unlimited in length but still needs a path. In this case it would be blocked.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 7:05:15 PM)

Then it is OK.

Edit: RAW: ...you must be able to trace a path from the unit to the oil resource.



Courtenay -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 8:26:03 PM)

Note that because of a rules clarification by ADG that I profoundly disagree with, limited oversees supply and limited supply across straits interact in very, very nasty ways. In particular, the Axis can not reorganize oil dependent units in Sicily unless they have a CP, TRS, or AMPH in the Italian Coast.

If future games, I will not play with the limited supply across straits optional rule, but impose a house rule allowing the enemy to block resources across straits and rail movement across straits, both of which are under the control of the player.

Let me emphasize that this is not a bug in MWiF; MWiF is faithfully implementing an official ruling from ADG. I just think that ruling is completely wrongheaded.



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 9:12:01 PM)

Allied Production

China 5
Mil x2
Cav Div

CW 13
Trans repair
Trans 1st
CVP-1
Pilot
CVP-0 x2
Mil x3

France 5
Mil x2
1 BP saved

US 11
CV repair
Amph 1st
Nav-3
Pilot
CP

USSR 8
Inf x2
Pilot

Denmark and Holland conquered by Germany. The Dutch government relocates to Dutch Guyana. CL is destroyed.

US approves of the French intervention in Belgium (6 rolled) and a chit is added to the Ge/It pool.

CW sends two resources to France.




AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/14/2015 9:20:18 PM)

N/D 39

Initiative: Axis 4, Allies 8. No re-roll. Allies choose to go first.

On a 1, the weather is fine everywhere - look out France!

USSR declares war on Japan and calls out reserves. It just about makes the centre pages in the US (9 rolled, 1 chit removed).




AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/15/2015 7:08:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

On the Allies scrap: I'm not sure I would have scrapped the CW TRS, the POL INF div, or even possibly the CW MOT.


JT14,

Those weren't scrapped. The top line is those units available for scrapping but not yet selected.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/15/2015 7:40:28 AM)

I'm sorry Allen, you are correct. Then I'll only complain about the CV Glorious[:D]



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/15/2015 8:01:12 AM)

Yes, I can understand that being debatable. So far though I've found difficulty in equipping the CW CV's with planes due to competing spend pressures in the early war and there are more CV's on the way. If I'm going to build CV's from scratch, I want the modern 6-5 move, 3 capacity ones, not Glorious back in the Force pool.

Perhaps if not playing with CVP's but I still wouldn't want to be drawing it as a new build over one of the better ones.



Dogfax -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/15/2015 1:33:45 PM)

Have to agree about the limited supply rule. Makes expansion very difficult, especially with the oil rules you are playing. My poor head wouldn't be able to cope [:D]

Anyway looking forward to more of this AAR soon



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/16/2015 8:34:37 PM)

France & China Land, rest combined.

2 Russian subs sail to china Sea.

CW sends CA with 2nd Inf Div from Cape town to West Med 1-box. Trans sails from Gib to East Med 2-box and loads Wavell.

US sends 3 CV's from West to East Coast.

Only 1 area available for naval combat: China Sea.

Searches: Allies 2, Axis 3.

5 surprise points used to increase damage. Do Japs wish to stay?

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/16/2015 8:36:24 PM)

Yes please. Later abort ships to Shangai.



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/16/2015 8:41:42 PM)

Round 2.

Searches Allies 1, Axis 9.

All surprise points used to increase damage.

Do the CL's wish to stay and fight?


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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/16/2015 8:46:50 PM)

Might as well. Japanese war economy does not look very good now...



AllenK -> RE: AllenK vs Mayhemizer III: Oil be back. (9/16/2015 9:04:20 PM)

Both sides elect to stay and fight but the Russian subs decide to stay on the bottom, so combat ends.

The French Leo451 strategic bombs the German oil resource near Hannover. Does the He112 wish to intercept?



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