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BrianG -> RE: August 1942 (4/30/2016 4:27:03 AM)
If you ask me the main fight and most important is down south. If he clears your south area, will he have enough VP's. or else he can throw all into a 43 offensive with no south to worry about.

STEF78 -> RE: August 1942 (4/30/2016 12:33:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrianG If you ask me the main fight and most important is down south. If he clears your south area, will he have enough VP's. or else he can throw all into a 43 offensive with no south to worry about. He has currently 227 VP (turn 66) and needs 33 more. He will get easily 10/15 more. But to win, he needs to take Moscow

821Bobo -> RE: August 1942 (4/30/2016 12:42:47 PM)
Yep, no chance for auto victory.

STEF78 -> August 1942 (4/30/2016 12:48:56 PM)
Turn 62, 20th august 1942 The battle extends now from Leningrad to Batumi through Voronejh, Astrakhan and Baku... Leningrad I manage to launch an assault against the finns in this area. The goal is to create another operational theatre, bleed the finns and threaten Leningrad. Shlisselburg is mine! [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/698734bobo62leningrad.jpg[/img] Voronejh The germans are loking for the weak point... Heavy counterattacks [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/123360bobo62voronejh.jpg[/img] Astrakhan Argh!!! The bad guys arrived from the north! Another 6 units doomed.... [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/757845bobo62astra.jpg[/img] Baku It's over for the units in western Caucasus.. The supply line is cut. At least, Baku looks safe... [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/445912bobo62baku.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> August 1942 (4/30/2016 12:53:47 PM)
The losses in order to show the intensity of the battle [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/458473bobo62losses.jpg[/img] And the OOB [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/615303bobo62oob.jpg[/img]

jwolf -> RE: August 1942 (4/30/2016 6:29:26 PM)
quote: It's over for the units in western Caucasus.. The supply line is cut. Were some of the trapped units still frozen? That would be ... rather unfair.

Mamluke -> RE: August 1942 (4/30/2016 7:11:29 PM)
dam, with those german Mtt. Div, there was no chance of protecting that rail line. WOW, all those Hexes auto convert!? that makes life so much easier for ze germans. can you show how many units and total men are trapped in the western Caucasus? it seams most of the motorize units are now going for Stalingrad, ho boy here goes another epic fight, ready to unleash your inner Stalin? EDIT: HO yeah, final question, I remember that when the Germans made their dash for the Caucasus, you where caught by surprise, did you have time to evacuated all the industry and LAG factories before the Germans cut the Astrakhan - Baku rail line? or did you evacuated all you could save to Baku?

rmonical -> RE: August 1942 (4/30/2016 8:19:11 PM)
Similarly, the advance (or retreat) of the Russians into Hungary has not caused a reaction on T3 of my game, I am tempted to see if anything will cause a reaction, but I'll save that for solo play. The advance is sealed by the just activated Mobile Corps

STEF78 -> RE: August 1942 (4/30/2016 8:53:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwolf quote: It's over for the units in western Caucasus.. The supply line is cut. Were some of the trapped units still frozen? That would be ... rather unfair. They are still frozen... They only "awake" when a german unit is within 3 hexes

STEF78 -> RE: August 1942 (4/30/2016 8:57:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mamluke dam, with those german Mtt. Div, there was no chance of protecting that rail line. WOW, all those Hexes auto convert!? that makes life so much easier for ze germans. can you show how many units and total men are trapped in the western Caucasus? Roughly 15 units / 100K men quote: it seams most of the motorize units are now going for Stalingrad, ho boy here goes another epic fight, ready to unleash your inner Stalin? No spoil... you have to wait but Bobo is fighting to win, not to get a draw. quote: EDIT: HO yeah, final question, I remember that when the Germans made their dash for the Caucasus, you where caught by surprise, did you have time to evacuated all the industry and LAG factories before the Germans cut the Astrakhan - Baku rail line? or did you evacuated all you could save to Baku? All industries were evacuated, the last one to Baku...

STEF78 -> August 1942 (5/1/2016 8:36:53 PM)
Turn 63, 27th august 1942 Random weather... we have mud in central russia Leningrad Offensive is stopped due to weather.It will give to the germans time to reorganize the defence. [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/297675bobo63leningrad.jpg[/img] Don Bobo is always looking for the weak point near Voronejh. On the other side, he clears the Western bank of the Don [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/509731bobo63don.jpg[/img] Astrakhan the Pocket is almost cleared. More reinforcements are sent. [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/467668bobo63astrajhan.jpg[/img] Caucasus Novorosiisk has fallen, western Caucasus is agonizing. Baku looks safe, bobo is preparing a second line of defence. several units are still frozen... [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/554334bobo63caucasus.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> August 1942 (5/1/2016 8:45:19 PM)
Closest view of baku with the fortifications [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/775362bobo63baku.jpg[/img] An example of one of the heavy fights near Voronejh [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/760538bobo63voro.jpg[/img] A focus on the air losses, the Luftwaffe is slowly losses air superiority [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/332278bobo63losses.jpg[/img] And the OOB [img]http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/379095bobo63oob.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> September 1942 (5/3/2016 4:59:33 AM)
Turn 64, 3rd september 1942 Voronejh The germans are always seeking the weak point... Heavy fights [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/523547bobo64voro.jpg[/img] Stalingrad Headache in this area, where will they hit? [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/629836bobo64stalingrad.jpg[/img] Currently they are on for a frontal assault on the city [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/848237bobo64stalingrad2.jpg[/img] Baku The last door to west Caucasus is firmly closed [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/339288bobo64baku.jpg[/img] But some units are still frozen!! [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/317938bobo64frozen.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> September 1942 (5/3/2016 5:01:19 AM)
Always smashing the Luftwaffe [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/135668bobo64airlosses.jpg[/img] And the OOB [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/998138bobo64oob.jpg[/img]

RKhan -> RE: September 1942 (5/3/2016 7:44:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 But some units are still frozen!! But at least you'll be ready when the Turks invade in support of Germany... [:)]

jwolf -> RE: September 1942 (5/3/2016 1:55:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RKhan quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 But some units are still frozen!! But at least you'll be ready when the Turks invade in support of Germany... [:)] [:D] [:D] Just how dangerous is the situation at Stalingrad? There's not much good weather left -- could the Germans really pull it off?

STEF78 -> RE: September 1942 (5/4/2016 7:01:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwolf Just how dangerous is the situation at Stalingrad? There's not much good weather left -- could the Germans really pull it off? It's not as easy for the german to take the city. 1) There are only 40 miles of clear ground to attack the city from the South as the Don and the Volga create natural defences. Concerning the Volga it's major river and swamp, nothing good for pzd/mot units 2) I had enough time to dig in and the stacks require strong deliberate attacks to be pulled off And some thoughts about the general situation 3) At this stage of the war the front is over extended. It's a problem for both players but the russian can create new one, the german cannot. And the german requires Inf units to breach strong russian lines and it's hard for him to gather them without leaving other sectors. 4) Each week I create 1/2 rifle corps and a well entrenched rifle corsp is at least a defensive CV25. Most Inf german unts have an offensive value 5/7. Most pzd/mot 8/12. 5) The Leningrad attack proved to the german that he needs some reserve units to be able to react. We are now mid october 1942 in the game. I began creating each week an artillery division. My goal is to to be able during the winter to breach the german line even if defended with CV35+ 6) Return of destroyed russian units is a game changer. Losing a rifle division is'nt as dramatic as before.

Mamluke -> RE: September 1942 (5/5/2016 9:00:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 Turn 64, 3rd september 1942 Baku The last door to west Caucasus is firmly closed [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/339288bobo64baku.jpg[/img] Holy S%% from 466 CV it jump by 3,5 TIMES!? you don't mess with the gebirgsj�ger. I won't rest easy just yet for baku if I were you, Bobo has 4 Mountain DIvisions, give then each 2 pioneers and as show those are powerful units. they could clear those Hexes in the south and use at least 1 or 2 panzer Divisions in the North. the real problem here is that once they move forward, you CAN NOT Dislodge a gebirgsj�ger Division in the Mountains! they get AT LEAST 40 defensive CV with OUT forts. 50 CV with fort level 1 O.O and estimating how long it takes to move a rifle Division from the Mainland to Baku by rail and see... that's like 4 turns to reach the front lines and be battle ready? it seams taking out the Fins early on could be very beneficial, even if you capture Leningrad, Bobo could still use then in the Defensive (and you know how strong those Fins are in the Defensive...) I highly recommend a Main offensive towards Finland During the Winter! ( no river defense :) MAYBE you can get lucky and Bobo didn't prepare Forts in the Korelian isthmus.. what do you guys think? is Finland worth it in 1942-43? considering the Situation...

chaos45 -> RE: September 1942 (5/6/2016 4:51:07 AM)
the big problem the Finns seem to have in most games is German players like to use them to hold a fair chunk more land against much more determined soviet assaults than historical. Which in turn is leading to finlands early collapses we are seeing. Yes its an economy of force for the germans until about 1943 but if the Germans dont win by 1943 then it in turn weakens the finns to the point they seem to get steam rolled by Soviet formations. also in this game that Finnish line in front of leningrad is extremely weak......not even double stacked, Soviet stacks can easily smash that aside with alittle effort.

STEF78 -> RE: September 1942 (5/6/2016 8:21:12 AM)
About Baku Even with MtnInf, it will not be easy for the german to crack the line. My defensive CV are climbing with the forts and the Pzd are gone north! They can't be everywhere every time! About the Finns I had a bad luck with the weather in the north. Bobo won't make twice the same error. The line is now reinforced, the front held by finnish units shortened... I will have to use massive artillery to break the line. It's just a question of time...

Mamluke -> RE: September 1942 (5/6/2016 6:22:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 About Baku Even with MtnInf, it will not be easy for the german to crack the line. My defensive CV are climbing with the forts and the Pzd are gone north! They can't be everywhere every time! About the Finns I had a bad luck with the weather in the north. Bobo won't make twice the same error. The line is now reinforced, the front held by finnish units shortened... I will have to use massive artillery to break the line. It's just a question of time... but the point Im trying to make is that you can not truly rest upon CV alone! mtn inf fight better in Mountains, regular Inf fight worse, something that is just not indicated in CV, hell look at that battle in my quote, what looked like an even fight (odds of 1:1) became 4:1!! but yes that is likely the more extreme example, they must have gotten EVERY dice roll right, regardless, it shows the true power of the gebeirsjagger. (Im a really great fan of Mtn.Inf in general ^^)

STEF78 -> Breakthrough!!! (5/6/2016 11:02:18 PM)
Turn 65, 10th september 1942 Bad news this week! The german manage to pierce our lines near Kursk. The encirclement is not completed thanks to our fierce resistance. [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/966709bobo65voro.jpg[/img] I manage to create a 30 miles wide corridor but some units won't be able to escape. Strong counterattacks from Voronejh failed to cut the spearhead. [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/832061bobo65voro2.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> Breakthrough!!! (5/6/2016 11:06:15 PM)
Turn 65, 10th september 1942 An heavy attack failed near Stalingrad... I should think about murdering Model.... [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/522658bobo65staling.jpg[/img] Near Baku, everything is quiet. It's looks like a pat [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/411185bono65bakupat.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> September 1942 (5/8/2016 5:15:09 PM)
Turn 66, 17 september 1942 Bobo did the job.. the Pocket is well sealed. [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/703746bobo66pocket.jpg[/img] I give up the surrounded units and prepare the next line of defence [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/917006bobo66pocket2.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> September 1942 (5/8/2016 5:43:56 PM)
Turn 66, 17th september 1942 Another success near Leningrad, but axes units are strongly reinforced [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/948412bobo66leningrad.jpg[/img] And a focus on the air war, still winning [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/235632bobo66airlosses.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> September 1942 (5/8/2016 6:39:34 PM)
Stalingrad Even if the german best mobile units are gone to Voronejh, they are still too strong. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/321835bobo66stalingrad.jpg[/img] And a look on the OOB. Despite a major encirclement (Don), a minor (Astrakhan)and the loss of an Army in Western Caucaus, I'm in better shape than in june. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/651235evolOOB.jpg[/img]

chaos45 -> RE: September 1942 (5/8/2016 9:28:51 PM)
Bobo did a solid job on the offensive 2 years....however I can see from the map the tide should start to turn over this winter....so now it will be seen how good his defense skills are. His taking most of the south and slightly higher Soviet losses in attacks may slow your ability to hit the higher army number levels needed for true dominance but I think by the end of this winter 42/43 You will be the one on the attack.

jwolf -> RE: September 1942 (5/9/2016 4:13:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 ...but I think by the end of this winter 42/43 You will be the one on the attack. When that happens, the long front line should be to the Soviets' advantage.

STEF78 -> RE: September 1942 (5/9/2016 9:48:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 Bobo did a solid job on the offensive 2 years....however I can see from the map the tide should start to turn over this winter....so now it will be seen how good his defense skills are. His taking most of the south and slightly higher Soviet losses in attacks may slow your ability to hit the higher army number levels needed for true dominance but I think by the end of this winter 42/43 You will be the one on the attack. Bobo is a very good german player. The fight for Stalino during the winter 41/42 was a masterpiece! Currently russian army is strengthening faster than the german but I still don't have half the equivalent of his PzG. Winter will be interesting but I'm really waiting for spring 1943

STEF78 -> RE: September 1942 (5/9/2016 9:48:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwolf quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 ...but I think by the end of this winter 42/43 You will be the one on the attack. When that happens, the long front line should be to the Soviets' advantage. +1

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