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jwolf -> RE: December 1942 (6/13/2016 6:49:41 PM)
Stef will have to answer that for a true answer; my speculation is that for much of 1942 Stef has been on the defensive and scrambling to react to some powerful and occasionally devastating German thrusts. Sometimes you can't sort out the mess until the mud season when the fighting finally cools down.

STEF78 -> RE: December 1942 (6/13/2016 7:22:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwolf Stef will have to answer that for a true answer; my speculation is that for much of 1942 Stef has been on the defensive and scrambling to react to some powerful and occasionally devastating German thrusts. Sometimes you can't sort out the mess until the mud season when the fighting finally cools down. You're fully right. I suffered 3 pockets, got "fronts" broken into several parts, extracted one whole front from Moscow area and spread it in 2 parts.... It's not efficient but I was already happy to survive the 1942's summer. I will keep this "bad" structure during the next weeks as I'm always short of AP's. Then russian army will become progressively more "well organized"

STEF78 -> December 1942 (6/13/2016 7:34:27 PM)
Turn 79, 17th december 1942 Several areas of the front benefit of bloodbaths.... we are in a WWI war period. Leningrad New victory for the 55th army... 188K men and 3400 guns were required! [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/564805bobo79lenin.jpg[/img] Kursk Small ground gains [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/892209bobo79kursk.jpg[/img] Stalingrad A too hard nut... [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/907572bobo79stalingrad.jpg[/img] Astrakhan Italians slowly retreating to Roma [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/435010bobo79astra.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> December 1942 (6/14/2016 3:37:11 PM)
Turn 80, 24th december 1942 1942 will end within 2 weeks and we attack and counter attack in several parts of the front. The main struggle takes place near Kursk. We suffered heavy german counterattacks, included one with more than 1500 AFV [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/717909bobo80kursk.jpg[/img] But we keep on attacking [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/929229bobo80kursk2.jpg[/img] Some TOE are changing, for example rifle corps below. I will spare some men [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/185734boborifleoob.jpg[/img] Air units TOE has also increaed from 20 to 32 planes per unit. It will allow us to achieve air superiority (+ 3500 first line planes) [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/219156bobo80oob.jpg[/img]

chaos45 -> RE: December 1942 (6/14/2016 8:41:19 PM)
That was a brutal counterattack losses wise for the soviets....It really seems the newer patches are finally getting losses closer to right.

jwolf -> RE: December 1942 (6/15/2016 2:11:26 PM)
It probably hit their morale hard, too. The men can be replaced; the morale is a lot more difficult to get or keep high.

STEF78 -> RE: December 1942 (6/17/2016 7:09:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 That was a brutal counterattack losses wise for the soviets....It really seems the newer patches are finally getting losses closer to right. sure but fortunately 1500 AFV doesn't represent the standard counterattack

STEF78 -> RE: December 1942 (6/17/2016 7:10:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwolf It probably hit their morale hard, too. The men can be replaced; the morale is a lot more difficult to get or keep high. True but most of my units are 3/7 points below the normal morale level so it's less worrying than losing morale points above this level.

STEF78 -> December 1942 (6/17/2016 7:21:45 PM)
Turn 81, 31th december 1942 Last day of 1942, week after week, I'm able to gather more and more guns on the front line. 1943 will be interesting! [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/192509bobo81kursk.jpg[/img] Near Stalingrad, I get my first significant victory despite a full div mot reserve activation [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/277434bobo81stalingrad.jpg[/img] In the Caucasus, my brave soldiers still resist to the fascists [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/827701bobo81caucasus.jpg[/img]! And the OOB [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/823224bobo81oob.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> January 1943 (6/19/2016 2:06:25 PM)
Turn 82, 7th january 1943 Terra incognita! it's a curious feeling for me. I never reached 1943 as russian player. I lost or won before this year. We are now at a stage where red army is growing but is not strong enough to push the germans back on a large scale. So we will have several weeks of "low" intensity fights. Each turn I create 1/2 rifle corps, 1 art div, several sapper régiments and air units. In fact I think that Bobo could have tempted a winter offensive to Tula and Kaluga, gaining some complementary buffer . My line were strong but his offensive power was stronger. Now it's too late... My main question now is what do I do before spring? Continuing some minor fights? Creating a "guards rifle corps ball" in a single place? Or waiting and sparing my units? At the moment I benefit from new ratios [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/776163bobo82promotion.jpg[/img] Leningrad I'm facing a wall [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/336679bobo82leningrad.jpg[/img] Kursk Without reserve activations, fights are won [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/300333bobo82kursk.jpg[/img] Stalingrad Some figts on the southern bank of the Volga, crushing the Romanians... [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/318319bobo82stalingrad.jpg[/img] Caucasus Fleeing through the moutains... [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/440834bobo82caucasus.jpg[/img]

chaos45 -> RE: January 1943 (6/19/2016 3:57:11 PM)
By leningrad the terrain is bad for tanks really....which is why I never committed any tank corps or Cav corps to that area when I battled Pelton---however I did have alot of guard rifle corps and artillery divisions and in general the slow grinding offensive those give you is enough to grind down that area. It takes time but once the finnish lose several battles they start to become combat ineffective since they get lower morale south of leningrad. Tank/cav corps ground is the south really its where you can take advantage of mobility and the Germans dont have as much terrain to double and triple their combat strength. Its why the Germans typically strike in the south in 1942 as fortified soviets in bad terrain in the north/center are really poor attack choices. The some goes for the Soviets in 1943 on---and I think you see this historically...in the center most soviet offensives in 1943 were horrible failures and only in the open ground in the south did they really "win" The success in the south then weakened german reserves in the center enough that in mid 1944 a massive soviet offensive actually succeeded. Terrain should help dictate the battle and it really does in the game if you use it right and analyze it well. Both on the defense and on the offense dont underestimate how much terrain can affect outcomes.

STEF78 -> RE: January 1943 (6/19/2016 8:58:05 PM)
You're right. I have one tank corps in the nortth and it will be effectively better used South of Kaluga. But I will keep some pressure in the north. Bobo is very strong from Kaluga to Voronejh and around Stalingrad. I will try him to feel unsecure in all parts of the front.

STEF78 -> January 1943 (6/21/2016 8:54:24 PM)
Turn 84, 21th january 1943 Nothing spectacular, my army is still growing and I'm maintaining some pressure on the german frontline. Some samples below Bryansk Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.... [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/235080bobo84bryansk.jpg[/img] Kursk Berlin will be reached before 1965.... [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/866533bobo84kursk.jpg[/img] Astrakhan Some action on a secondary theater [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/639483bobo84astrakhan.jpg[/img]

jwolf -> RE: January 1943 (6/22/2016 2:38:36 PM)
quote: Berlin will be reached before 1965.... [:D][:D] I think you'll do all right, but it will take a long time before the German lines start showing a lot of pressure.

STEF78 -> January 1943 (6/24/2016 8:07:46 PM)
Turn 85, 28th january 1943 No focus on Kursk this week, let's travel along other parts of the front Novgorod Terrain favors the defender... but not enough [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/205092bobo85novgorod.jpg[/img] Bryansk 2 german divs expelled! [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/586132bobo85bryansk.jpg[/img] Stalingrad Some firepower here too but the german Pzd are close [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/683472bobo85stalingrad.jpg[/img] And the OOB, approaching 8M men [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/810813bobo85oob.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> February 1943 (7/2/2016 10:15:03 AM)
Turn 86, 4th february 1943 Nothing spectacular for 2 monthes, I trying to dig in the german front line and then to enlarge the hole. German mobile units are much stronger than mine so I will not be able to reach ambitious goals before at least summer. Novgorod Even unentrenched german units in good defensive terrain can be hard to push back [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/947659bobo86leningrad.jpg[/img] Bryansk This time it worked [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/903156bobo86bryansk.jpg[/img] Voronezh Clear terrain favors the attacker... woaw! decisive comment after more than 4 years playing WITE... [:(] [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/162622bobo86voro.jpg[/img] Orel Another grinding place but reserve activation makes it harder [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/158721bobo86kursk.jpg[/img] Astrakhan A weak russian army is beating weak italians [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/941181bobo86astrakhan.jpg[/img]

Peltonx -> RE: February 1943 (7/2/2016 10:56:46 AM)
Good even game. Nice to see allot of people finally enjoying games into 43.

STEF78 -> RE: February 1943 (7/2/2016 1:07:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pelton Good even game. Nice to see allot of people finally enjoying games into 43. thanks no spoil, but you will see that the german army can still bite in 1943 against an uncautious russian player

sillyflower -> RE: February 1943 (7/2/2016 1:29:26 PM)
Maybe you are paying the price of letting Bobo read your AAR by giving away the secret below [:'(] quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 Clear terrain favors the attacker... woaw! decisive comment after more than 4 years playing WITE... [:(]

821Bobo -> RE: February 1943 (7/3/2016 9:53:49 AM)
AAR is few turns behind so no useful secrets here for me. quote: no spoil, but you will see that the german army can still bite in 1943 against an uncautious russian player I have been preparing the surprise for 3-4 weeks and I am really happy that my "camouflage" paid off. These small joys make fun game even most of the front is static(and boring I guess for both of us) for last couple of months.

STEF78 -> February 1943 (7/5/2016 7:12:22 AM)
Turn 87, 11th february 1943 Always the same areas involved in fights. This will continue till mud but now I have decided a plan for spring/summer offensive. Fights will continue but behind, I will prepare this strategical move Bryansk 47k german expelled from the woods... [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/412953bobo87bryansk.jpg[/img] Kursk/Voronejh Some counterattacks near Voronejh. A single german inf in clear terrain is an easy prey. [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/380363bobo87kursk.jpg[/img] Baku Some german units are leaving this area. I suppose that they will reinforce Astrakhan [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/967959bobo87baku.jpg[/img] Astrakhan Grinding is on [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/117137bobo87astrakhan.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> February 1943 (7/5/2016 9:31:19 PM)
A view of the evolution of russian army Rifle corps [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/172155bobo87infcorps.jpg[/img] Art units [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/754860bobo87art.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> February 1943 (7/8/2016 8:28:57 PM)
Turn 88, 18th february 1943 Always fights in several parts of the front. Below the Kursk Voronejh area [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/330193bobo88kursk.jpg[/img] But recon has shown something interesting: Pzd in reserve are gone away north of Stalingrad [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/570815bobo88northstalingrad.jpg[/img] And the OOB. Russians are above 8M men [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/852460bobo88oob.jpg[/img]

jwolf -> RE: February 1943 (7/8/2016 8:39:24 PM)
quote: But recon has shown something interesting: Pzd in reserve are gone away north of Stalingrad Obviously he's preparing for the Kursk offensive in the summer. [:D] It's disappointing how few losses the Germans take even while losing a battle.

STEF78 -> RE: February 1943 (7/8/2016 8:46:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwolf Obviously he's preparing for the Kursk offensive in the summer. [:D] He is preparing an offensive.... but not in Kursk [;)] Guess where quote: It's disappointing how few losses the Germans take even while losing a battle. 2700 guns, 10/1 in men and 370 AFv on my side the a retreat...and 4% of the strength lost... something weird effectively.

STEF78 -> February 1943 (7/9/2016 6:44:15 PM)
Turn 89, 25th february 1943 Let's post the evolution of the OOB before the fights [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/743175bobooob.jpg[/img] I pay the price for losing all Caucasus. I'm now far stronger than the germans in terms of arts and air forces but I'm hardly above 8M men... I lack of manpower Recovery will be harder than expected... As shown on the rifle corps screen, my units are roughly at 90% TOE. Annoying.

STEF78 -> February 1943 (7/11/2016 11:21:08 PM)
Turn 89, 25th february 1943 Kursk/Voronejh Pressure is progressively increasing in the Kursk area [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/456320bobo89kursk.jpg[/img] North Stalingrad Grinding begins in this sector [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/687846bobo89northstalingrad.jpg[/img] Astrakhan Some success near Astrakhan [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/660177bobo89astra.jpg[/img] Baku Heavy losses but entrenchment is weaker. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/834247bobo89baku.jpg[/img]

kfmiller41 -> RE: February 1943 (7/13/2016 7:24:55 AM)
This is an awesome AAR, have just spent 2 hours reading it and I going to follow it till it ends, best one I have seen so far and quite tense. I have not played in a long time and consider myself a newbie. Wanted to get a game going against a human but an afraid of how much of a beating I will take from anyone other than another newb[:D] , but it is fun seeing veteran players do this.

821Bobo -> RE: February 1943 (7/13/2016 10:25:52 AM)
Just a note for followers. I am on holidays and Stef will be too. Probably there won't be many updates in next 4 weeks.

chaos45 -> RE: February 1943 (7/13/2016 4:39:25 PM)
There is no Holidays on the eastern front [:)]

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