RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam)

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cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/9/2016 8:48:22 AM)
part of my production chart Fyodor Tolbukhin and Aleksandr Vasilevsky are promoted Général-Leitenant 3 more Guards rifle division [image]local://upfiles/37270/41A1C5A1D5F641DE894A68C1804803C0.jpg[/image]

morvael -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/9/2016 9:34:36 AM)
How about saying that raid of 9th Panzer cut off rail to your troops west of Stalino? It may have left von Kleist divisions a bit over extended, but pinned the Soviets in place.

chaos45 -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/9/2016 5:00:52 PM)
production wise your currently fine. You have a huge amount of manpower/armaments lol....You must not build many new units----I build SU like crazy and keep most my units in key areas at 100% and refit so usually have 0 in both by now or close to it. I can only guess your CV/defensive values arent all that high with half a million men in the pools and not on the field. If you stack armies with SU- you can often get 4+ SU sent in support of a defense this can really change the odds on alot of fights with good leaders.

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/11/2016 10:02:48 AM)
thank for your advice Chaos but i just send back turn 25 Turn 17 or october9, 1941 they continue to push and threaten Rzhev, Kaluga and Tula Forecast for next turn is mud in north and south russia [image]local://upfiles/37270/810BA8D729ED406B9A0AD7847DFEBC3E.jpg[/image]

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/11/2016 10:07:04 AM)
and i forget to learn from before this time 6 Armies are doomed half from South front, otherwise South Ural sole good news are six more Guard promotion total 18 rifle div (1 in the pocket) [image]local://upfiles/37270/23083787156C4940A3723023B8C1207C.jpg[/image]

morvael -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/11/2016 10:19:32 AM)
This is just beginning of a month long desperate struggle in mud and snow, which will see the SS boys down to 25% TOE... But it was worth it, to strike at the last clear turn [:)]

chaos45 -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/11/2016 11:43:56 AM)
ya if you bag all those Soviet Cav divisions will limit Soviet winter offensive operations as they are the only decently moving and CV value soviet units in the winter.

M60A3TTS -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/11/2016 12:38:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 ya if you bag all those Soviet Cav divisions will limit Soviet winter offensive operations as they are the only decently moving and CV value soviet units in the winter. Yes, that's 4-5 cavalry corps right there. Not good.

Peltonx -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/11/2016 11:30:01 PM)
T-14 SHC only had 4.2 million lol this pocket is a real nail in coffin and you lost Moscow. That's a hard hit to manpower centers, not sure you can recover from that.

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/12/2016 9:18:27 AM)
at least i will try [&o]

morvael -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/12/2016 12:32:53 PM)
Those cavalry units in the pocket were very annoying. They penetrated every hole in my line, isolating my SS boys (because of MP cost going above 100). But they fought using airhead supply and prevailed (after all airhead > isolated). Good news: pinned whole ARM factories in Tula (25) and Stalino (29).

HITMAN202 -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/12/2016 3:18:24 PM)
Great German play. I asked Sillyflower the same question... What's your MO for ground attack and ground support in major attacks ?? Also do you use "soak offs" weak preliminary attacks to increase the chance of success of the main attack ??

morvael -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/12/2016 5:47:12 PM)
Only in the sense that sometimes I make secondary attacks near main battle site to use up MP of reserve units. Otherwise I prefer to hit them with fullest force possible - so that units are not tired and air forces are not used up.

morvael -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/12/2016 5:49:49 PM)
Classic soak up attacks are ok in case of isolated units - they expend ammo and are unable to replenish and their CV is affected by ammo shortage. So then it's good to tire them a bit before main attack (in case have quite a lot of CV). Normally it's not good, casualties after failed attack are not worth minor damage and fatigue suffered by target units.

sillyflower -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/13/2016 4:21:28 PM)
or the morale hit. I never do soak-offs. Not since they days of Avalon Hill games anyway

chaos45 -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/13/2016 5:20:22 PM)
Soak off attacks for Soviets have a strong purpose--esp vs cut off Germans. As long as units arent above National morale the morale hit doesnt really matter. As Soviets as long as the exchange rate isnt to one sided losing attacks isnt always bad. As its tough for the germans to replace defensive losses and losses on their spearhead units for offensives.

morvael -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/13/2016 7:57:48 PM)
I do make risky attacks at secondary theaters, but never make attacks that are sure to fail (as I feel it).

chaos45 -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/13/2016 8:04:14 PM)
Well as Soviets I have launched many attacks I knew would fail just hoping to wear down the germans or knock off a fort level so the next wave could succeed lol.

sillyflower -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/13/2016 8:40:13 PM)
That's not the same as a soak-off attack. It's a valid/sometimes necessary way of taking a hex. True soak-offs aren't needed here though Morvael's attacks to activate reserves that he doesn't want to activate to support his real target are the nearest one gets.

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/15/2016 11:58:59 AM)
Turn 18 or october16 ,1941 Marshall Mud take action everywhere Nikolai Klykov (32 Army) has is Infantry rating increase to 6 2 more Rifle div and a Para brigade become Guards [image]local://upfiles/37270/A567A45D23D44268A12AFBFB7EAA65C9.jpg[/image]

morvael -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/15/2016 12:11:26 PM)
Notice the desperate struggle for a port on the shores of Azov.

M60A3TTS -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/15/2016 3:24:44 PM)
When the weather finally turns to snow again, the Soviet units in the southern pocket that get surrounded and destroyed won't be replaced for free. Added bonus for morvael.

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/16/2016 9:50:14 AM)
Turn 19 or october 23, 1941 again MUD on all the frontline Rodion Malinovsky (40 Army) appointed Général-Leitenant I got one more Rifle guard Bryansk air commander (Ernst Shakt) has been executed picture of my best fighter unit (more kills) [image]local://upfiles/37270/FF421FDF5CF4445A864F548883357673.jpg[/image]

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/17/2016 4:42:51 PM)
Turn 20 or October 30, 1941 Tula has been surrounded Vasily Glazunov ( 3rd Para corp) is promoted Général Polkovnik [image]local://upfiles/37270/FFBCA59428D5429CBCB7822D71390AB4.jpg[/image]

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/17/2016 4:45:58 PM)
in the south they begin to reduce the pocket a german corps take the entry of the Crimea not much to be glad [8\|] [image]local://upfiles/37270/E70BF4F738A043BDA698BC6135FE44EE.jpg[/image]

morvael -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/17/2016 5:36:20 PM)
And Stalino has fallen with industry.

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/19/2016 11:29:16 AM)
Turn 21 or November 6, 1941 Mud come back except in Europe Léonid Govorov has been promoted Général-Leitenant Caucasus and Transcaucasus MD become Front one more Rifle div awarded Guard distinction picture of OOB [image]local://upfiles/37270/1F1ACD3B848F442BB33BA23D8C3CE430.jpg[/image]

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/21/2016 10:26:29 AM)
Turn 22 or November 13, 1941 My recco having localised a Panzer corps I order to leave Rzhev open rather than loose 24 Army and his Guards third sapper unit awarded Guard distinction [image]local://upfiles/37270/76B5FA85C13847C3ABD12B32F8E126A1.jpg[/image]

cpt flam -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/21/2016 10:30:02 AM)
I forget to tell Tula falled in the south they are reducting the pocket you can see their maximal advance in Crimea Leader of the Black sea air has been dismissed [image]local://upfiles/37270/FB89D115572A4CF4B023194C638EF071.jpg[/image]

morvael -> RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) (1/21/2016 10:37:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpt flam My recco having localised a Panzer corps I order to leave Rzhev open rather than loose 24 Army and his Guards I liked it that I got Rzhev "for free". I couldn't move 4th Panzer Group to threaten its flanks earlier, as they were on guard duty in and east of Moscow (not enough infantry). When I captured Tula, I sent 2nd Panzer Group to replace 4th, and thus well rested 4th went west. At this time it appeared to me that it might be too late to capture Rzhev before blizzard, but the threat of encirclement was enough and Red Army pulled back. Since then, Rzhev became a cornerstone of my defense in the region.

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