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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/12/2017 6:38:09 PM)

Wrong place for that question [;)]



AllenK -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/12/2017 6:49:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

Wrong place for that question [;)]


Bound to happen at some point with 4 threads on the go [:)]



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/12/2017 6:54:16 PM)

Yeah, I always check many many times I don't write my plans to AAR [:D]



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/12/2017 7:09:43 PM)

CW used HQ to reorganize unit in Tangier. 150 mm artillery ground strikes Tangier.

105 mm artillery ground strikes Santander.

Good night, I do my land moves tomorrow.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/13/2017 5:39:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

CW used HQ to reorganize unit in Tangier. 150 mm artillery ground strikes Tangier.

105 mm artillery ground strikes Santander.

Good night, I do my land moves tomorrow.


Actually, if Morocco is in supply, don't use 150 mm artillery. CW has ATR ready and they can reorganize MIL. If turn continues, I can use artillery next impulse if Morocco goes OOS.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/13/2017 5:41:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AllenK
Now the two Italian units in Africa are ready to move on Algiers, I'm tempted to move the CA at La Spezia to West Med for shore bombardment. If Stuka ground strike works, attack would be 5:2. 2:1, with 50% chance of 3:1. Even at 2:1 chance of success is 60% (20% chance of disaster).


Note that if Morocco is in supply, CW has planes in range to support Algiers by 2 points of ground support.



AllenK -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/13/2017 4:54:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer


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ORIGINAL: AllenK
Now the two Italian units in Africa are ready to move on Algiers, I'm tempted to move the CA at La Spezia to West Med for shore bombardment. If Stuka ground strike works, attack would be 5:2. 2:1, with 50% chance of 3:1. Even at 2:1 chance of success is 60% (20% chance of disaster).


Note that if Morocco is in supply, CW has planes in range to support Algiers by 2 points of ground support.


Good point. No attack this impulse but I'll still try the ground-strike.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/13/2017 4:57:06 PM)

If turn continues, I say we should send German 7-4 INF to Algeria.

Also we should place Italian ATR so that it can transport German Para, it arrives next turn.



AllenK -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/13/2017 5:07:46 PM)

I'm not sure about the INF now the ground-strike has failed. Agree on the ATR. Where do you suggest, Seville?



AllenK -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/13/2017 5:13:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer


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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

CW used HQ to reorganize unit in Tangier. 150 mm artillery ground strikes Tangier.

105 mm artillery ground strikes Santander.

Good night, I do my land moves tomorrow.


Actually, if Morocco is in supply, don't use 150 mm artillery. CW has ATR ready and they can reorganize MIL. If turn continues, I can use artillery next impulse if Morocco goes OOS.


Sorry, missed this post and did the ground-strike.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/13/2017 5:29:14 PM)

I check place when I do land moves.

You need that INF next turn.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/13/2017 5:32:22 PM)

No biggie that ground strike.

We need to take Algiers first, or put Morocco OOS.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 9:03:19 AM)

I'm starting to think that we should put all our air units to Norhern Spain. We need push them to sea during the winter or Barbarossa is late or Germany doesn't have enough units in east.

Germany sends hungarian fighter to CSV, one (or two) NAV should stay there do that we can try to put Morocco OOS. We can fight in North Africa long time, but Spain should be cleared first. Germany sends next turn brand new FW190 (range 6, strength 7) to BoB.

If we get another impulse, Germany will ground strike Bayonne with two fighters (2x factor 2). If we hit anything, I would test our luck and attack to another hex adjacent to last factory city. Germany will also send sub to CSV.

If we ever get Morocco, I think Italian ARM HQ should lead attack to Egypt. Germany has ARM div to join that operation. Also German MAR and PARA are free to use in any operations. Germany can also leave/send one or two IND divisions for invasions.

MAR, PARA and 2x div have total strength 11,5.



AllenK -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 10:26:16 AM)

Yes, the ARM HQ and the better Mech/Mot units.



Centuur -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 12:16:57 PM)

Any gains should be made in the Med. Also: consider building forts and white print MTN and a MTN division to defend Gib with. It makes the place very difficult for the Allies to take back. Even out of supply and disorganised two white print MTN and a MTN division defend GIB with a horrendous 21 factors. And if the Allies are halved too due to forts present there it really makes the place a fortress...

Concentrate on Spain, Morocco and Egypt. Barbarossa is still far, far away with the Allies in Spain, Egypt and Tangiers...



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 12:34:57 PM)

Germany builds all MTN units. Do you mean forts towards Spain, Morocco or both?



AllenK -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 12:35:29 PM)

Forts at Gib? I think I'll build one in our game as Allies. Our instinct is the Axis are going for Spain then Gib. If they don't it hasn't been too much of an outlay.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 5:03:56 PM)

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Do you mean forts towards Spain, Morocco or both?


I think Centuur meant all the way around.



Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 5:11:18 PM)

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Our instinct is the Axis are going for Spain then Gib.


This is pertaining to your reverse game. I'm wondering why you think so? If the Axis want an effective Med/Spain/Gib strategy they have to feed Italy BP's to get its useful tools. What are they waiting for vis-à-vis Italy entering the war? To me, this points to Barb more than Med. Of course we are looking at the earliest and flimsiest clues.

As for USSR in Bulgaria, Germany can very easily cut supply in the Black Sea...so I would only have white print unit(s?), and cheap ones.



AllenK -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 5:21:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

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Our instinct is the Axis are going for Spain then Gib.


This is pertaining to your reverse game. I'm wondering why you think so? If the Axis want an effective Med/Spain/Gib strategy they have to feed Italy BP's to get its useful tools. What are they waiting for vis-à-vis Italy entering the war? To me, this points to Barb more than Med. Of course we are looking at the earliest and flimsiest clues.

As for USSR in Bulgaria, Germany can very easily cut supply in the Black Sea...so I would only have white print unit(s?), and cheap ones.



We could well be wrong. It was mostly based on the strong Italian set-up on the French border and moving out of Africa, rather than reinforcing. The lack of lending from Germany to Italy is starting to count against the theory. It may well be the Italians are simply tying down French units on the border, so there are less to defend against the main German effort and conserving strength for Barb.



AllenK -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 7:00:25 PM)

Okay, plans for the impulse? Japan will do combined for a couple of land moves - SNLF to take the port it's adjacent to. Move the TERR in Manchuria. Debating whether to put CP in Timor Sea to bring MAR Div back in supply, then use a CA from Tokyo to pick up the Div to invade Henderson.

I think we need to consider preparing to take Portugal. The Italian 4-5 MOT may be useful to rail across. Italians, with combined, can initiate in BoB. Nothing left to send to CSV.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 7:08:42 PM)

Germany takes combined and sends sub to CSV box 2.

After that I need to see situation. There will be some ground strikes. If Morocco is OOS, Italian ATR will roll 1 and 1 and Germany will attack Tangier. Is this planning too optimistic?

Let's see how things are after naval combat.

You can start naval moves as you know Japanese plans little better [:)]



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 7:10:14 PM)

We can't attack Portugal before Northern Spain is taken. We just don't have units.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 7:13:10 PM)

Can Italian TRS take German 7-4 INF to Algeria? We need units later to push Morocco.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 7:17:43 PM)

And one more thing.

USSR is pushing units to German border. Next turn they can break the pact.

I was going to rail one more unit to southern Spain, but I need to rail unit to USSR border.

In J/F 1942 latest USSR can break the pact.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 7:31:58 PM)

I think we need to take northern Spain very fast and then move German units to USSR border. Meanwhile some units can take Portugal.

I hope we find something in BoB. If we do, we should target (TRS of course) and 2 organized ships that can provide shore bombardment.

If German fighters hit anything in Bayonne, we should attack with HQ support.

If we get Bayonne with some luck, we can attack Bilbao from 2 hexes.

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Jagdtiger14 -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 8:14:25 PM)

Excuse me for my dumb question, but I cant see everything under the top counters and all theaters (east front for example). I but would think the Germans/Italians could just bulldoze everything in northern Spain regardless of BoB. I see you are using the fighters as bombers and I don't see many bombers in in northern Spain (or even in southern Spain). I like the Italian Stuka in Algeria even though it missed[:@] I'm looking for the German bombers as they should be ground striking the Allies to death (everything flipped).



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 8:17:26 PM)

Luftwaffe is not doing well.

What is left is Ju88 in northern front, Stuka in southern front and 2x Bf110 (one in north and one in south).



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 8:19:00 PM)

Here is USSR front.

USSR has lots of planes in Rumanian front.

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Centuur -> RE: Warspite1 Keep Out! (1/14/2017 8:20:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

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Do you mean forts towards Spain, Morocco or both?


I think Centuur meant all the way around.


Yes, all the way around. The Rock is the only place in the world where building forts really make a difference for the Axis.




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