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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (11/29/2016 2:24:56 PM)

JF42 i1: ground strikes
Lucky on the first and poor bombing on the rest.

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WIF_Killzone -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/6/2016 10:25:27 PM)

Are the Germans in Moscow?? The peoples of the world are anxious to view the results as they unfold.



rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/6/2016 10:46:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

Are the Germans in Moscow?? The peoples of the world are anxious to view the results as they unfold.
Well, interestingly after all this was posted by Pat, he had a bad storm that knocked out power. When he got power back, his computer was fried. So, he's been spending the last week getting his computer back, MWiF loaded, updatde to the latest public beta and recreating the rolls and results that he last posted. He's close so we should be able to resume shortly. Like all of us, Pat has real life things that keep getting in the way of his MWiF time. I tell him not to stress about the game, take care of those "real life" things first and after that we can pick our game back up.



ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/6/2016 11:11:15 PM)

JF42 i1:
Finally finished getting at least this part of my computer life back to a workable stage and here are the results of the German attacks. JP attacks in next post. Thought I might have this in the morning, but I needed to find new apps/programs for the new computer and operating system to grab screen shots and organize them in a fashion that I could then post here. That took the better part of fours (I know, I know, I'm slow ...[;)]).

Luckily the Germans made the fractional on the first attack, which allowed it to be make the magic 23. In both cases the Germans were able to choose the Blitz table.

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/6/2016 11:13:19 PM)

ND42 i1: Japanese attacks.
All of these are against notional units and are automatic during this surprise impulse. So, I'm not showing the full rolls, but only the images that will help people locate them. Note, three landing around the Bay of Bengal.

{edit: for those interested, the actual rolls were 10, 12, 8, 14, 11, 14 - pretty average}

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/6/2016 11:54:54 PM)

JF42 i1: ending situation East Front

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/6/2016 11:55:32 PM)

JF42 i1: ending situation Finnish Region

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/6/2016 11:56:45 PM)

JF42 i1: ending situation Eastern India, Burma and North French Indo-China

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/6/2016 11:57:29 PM)

JF42 i1: ending situation Ceylon and Malaya

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/6/2016 11:58:10 PM)

JF42 i1: ending situation South China Sea

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 12:04:58 AM)

And here is the game file if anyone wants to look at other parts of the map/situation.



rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 12:22:50 AM)

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Allied #3. USA Attempts DOW on Japan.

Just fantastic. [:@]

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:46:22 AM)

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Allied #3. Actions.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:47:26 AM)

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Allied #3. Post Naval Moves. Contested Sea Areas.

No combat attempted in any.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:48:35 AM)

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Allied #3. USSR. Begins Railing Blue Factories, Starting with Odessa.

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:48:35 AM)

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Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Allied #3. USA Attempts DOW on Japan.

Just fantastic.

Japan breathes a large sigh of relief. I think it was a mistake not to declare war on the US the same turn as on the CW. I had not realized your chance of success was going to be so good (50%).



rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:49:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ashkpa

quote:

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Allied #3. USA Attempts DOW on Japan.

Just fantastic.

Japan breathes a large sigh of relief. I think it was a mistake not to declare war on the US the same turn as on the CW. I had not realized your chance of success was going to be so good (50%).
Dang isolationist! [:D]



rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:52:21 AM)

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Allied #3. CW. India & Burma.

I hate taking combines with the CW during early impulses of a turn. But it was absolutely necessary this turn. The CW use their one rail and 1 of their 3 land moves to try to shore things up in Eastern India on the Burma border.

The Japanese really did catch the CW with their pants down this turn.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:54:39 AM)

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Allied #3. CW. Ceylon.

They used one of their naval moves to load and transport an Indian MIL and the last of their 3 land moves to disembark them in Ceylon and hopefully saving Ceylon, for now at least I hope.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:57:02 AM)

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Allied #3. USSR. The Eastern Front.

RETREAT!!! Or as reported to Comrade Stalin, the Red Army made a few minor strategic pull backs in order to adjust their lines.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:59:58 AM)

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Axis #5. Weather.

You've got to be kidding me. Another 1 is rolled for the weather. If only I could have reversed the rolls for the USA attempted DOW on Japan, which was an 8, and this weather roll!

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Centuur -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 1:23:12 PM)

To be honest, you have only yourself to blame for the failed US DoW. 50% for it to go wrong is quite high. Personally, I would have waited with the US until I get 70%, And that goes quite fast with all the extra chits which are now drawn into the pools, because of the Japanese attacking the CW. It's winter, turns are short so what's to gain by attacking with the US in this turn?

Or do you have assembled a huge fleet in Pearl Harbor, ready to attack the Japanese CV's? Probably not since that approach is quite risky...



WIF_Killzone -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 8:10:03 PM)

What are the ramifications of the US not successfully declaring war? Love the pull-back on the Russian front, now a tough nut to crack.



rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/7/2016 11:30:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

To be honest, you have only yourself to blame for the failed US DoW. 50% for it to go wrong is quite high. Personally, I would have waited with the US until I get 70%, And that goes quite fast with all the extra chits which are now drawn into the pools, because of the Japanese attacking the CW. It's winter, turns are short so what's to gain by attacking with the US in this turn?

Or do you have assembled a huge fleet in Pearl Harbor, ready to attack the Japanese CV's? Probably not since that approach is quite risky...


Honestly, I though I would be given a 50% to DOW Japan and a 50% chance to DOW Germany, at the risk of two different chit pulls. So I though I had a 75% to get a DOW against at least one. But, once I hit the failed DOW against Japan the game wouldn't let me try one against Germany.


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ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

What are the ramifications of the US not successfully declaring war? Love the pull-back on the Russian front, now a tough nut to crack.

I lose a chit in the Japanese entry pool and, I was watching that closely, but I think a chit got moved from the German/Italy entry to the Japanese entry. But, I very well may be confused on the last point.



rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/8/2016 11:24:23 PM)

Turn 15. Jan/Feb 1942. Axis #5. Japan DOW's the USA.

After President Roosevelt's failed attempt to persuade the US congress to declare war against the nation of Japan, the Japanese government oblige him by declaring war on the USA. Confused by all this President Roosevelt turns to his military intelligence, specifically his COMINT (communications intercept) and code breakers for the reason. A US listening station in the Philippines passed intercepted Japanese naval messages back to Pearl Harbor for analysis. Code breakers and analyst working there successfully decrypted enough of the JN-25b encoded message to get an answer for President Roosevelt.

quote:

JN-26b intercept 014M, Manila Listening Station
Decided after much debate to [garbled] DOW on the US. As stated earlier, I think it was a mistake not to do it [garbled] just do not want those submarines to get a surprise [garbled].


The answer given to President Roosevelt was that the Japanese High Command feared that the the US submarine fleet based in the Philippines was just too great of a threat to their convoy lines transporting oil, rubber and other raw materials from newly captured territories.

Interesting isn't it. That what appears as harmless to you may appear as a significant threat to your opponent and vise versa.

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ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/9/2016 5:14:32 AM)

JF42 i5:
Germany takes a land (does not align Finland).
Italy and Japan take combines.
Japan moves a CP to the Bay of Bengal (should have done this last impulse) and a to CA's to the W. Indian Ocean. A Zero joins the NAV in the 4-box of the Marianne's.
Italy moves a fighter and NAV to the E. Med.
Italian subs move to the Central Atlantic and Cape Verde Basin.

Naval Searches:
E. Med is initiated by Italian fighter. Rolls of 10/7 result in no contact.
W. Med, Italians do not initiate (French sub won't have a chance since no axis units moved into the area).
BoB, Italian Alcione bomber initiates searches. Rolls of 8/3 result in no contact.
CVB, Italian sub initiates searches. Sukua bomber can react. Will it?

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/9/2016 12:22:00 PM)

1. CVB, Italian sub initiates searches. Sukua bomber can react. Will it? Yes, 0-box please.

2. Central Atlantic. If, when, the Italian sub initiates search there please fly the Blenhiem bomber based in the British Antilles out to the highest box possible using extended range, if possible.




ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/9/2016 4:09:27 PM)

JF42 i5.
What you'll see below is the poorest set of search rolls I have every seen. In the pacific, I had a 40% or better in all zones except one, where I rolled a 3 and needed a 2. I did find in one zone and destroyed 2 CP. But I was not able to cut supply to the Philippines.

CVB, Skua reacted to 0-box. Rolls of 8/7 resulted in no contact.
Central Atlantic, sub initiated and Blenhiem flew to 3-box. Rolls of 5/8 results in no contact.
Polynesia, sub in 3-box initiates. Rolls of 9/10 result in no contact
China Sea Hagura initiates and JP fighter flys to 0-box. Rolls of 8/10 result in no contact.
Central Pacific sub initiates. Rolls of 9/10 result in no contact.
Marianne's the fighter initiates. Rolls of 10/9 result in no contact.
In the East Indian Ocean the JP CA initiates (both vessels are now disorganized). Rolls of 1/5 result in the destruction of both CPs.
W. Indian Ocean a CA initiates. Rolls of 3/10 result in no contact (could have gotten the Queen's).
Cape Naturaliste the CV initiates (both vessels now disorganized). Rolls of 8/6 result in no contact.
No combat initiated in the Marshalls
South China Sea the Ashigara initiates (it and the Idtumo should be disorganized). Rolls of 10/6 result in no contact.



ashkpa -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/9/2016 5:14:10 PM)

JF42 i5: Land Attacks
Japan and Germany are making one land attack each. No possible allied reactions to the Japanese invasion of the Dutch East Indies (+17 after shore bombardment).
On the East Front the Russians can react to the German attack on Cernauti. Options shown in the images below. The German Bf110 can react to the hex as well.

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rkr1958 -> RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR (12/9/2016 9:08:43 PM)

No Soviet reaction to the attack on Cernauti.



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