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Malor -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 5:57:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

5th - 16th November 1939

Damn - I thought my panzerschiffe were going to get home afterall, but they have been found by a Royal Navy destroyer flotilla.

Nothing much else to report - the German Army continue to stream west. I don't used operational movement as I want to save MPP.


Warspite,

Are you using forced march to move them twice as far each turn or using normal movement?

Forced march (double click on unit in case you did not know it was available) is great because they get where you want them fast. They can then start entrenching to defend themselves (when needed) and still have time to be reinforced and upgraded if needed over a few turns while recovering the morale loss from the forced march. With an HQ in the area to help with morale, they can easily be ready for spring attack in the west within a few months, which is about all the time that is available anyway.

Thanks,
Malor



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 5:59:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Malor


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

14th - 25th October 1939

Reinforcements
None

MPP Expenditure

Germany - The Germans spend all their points on research - Infantry Weapons, Advanced Tanks, Advanced Aircraft, Logistics, Production Technology and Industrial Technology
Italy - The Italians research Infantry Weapons

[image]local://upfiles/28156/4192928A2876478689E04F23276AB046.jpg[/image]


Can you explain why you save MPP for multiple turns and then spend them all at once in a single turn?

I'm confused as to why you wait. If you were planning to spend on research, the sooner you spend, the sooner you get a return back. With the Germans earning enough MPP each turn, unless you have a need to spend on something else or need to save for an expensive unit, you spend on research each turn it is possible. Sometimes it helps to spend in a tech twice to increase the speed. I've found that you don't lose all chits in a tech if there are still levels to research so if you spend two chits, when the next level is reached, you are already working on the next one.

Thanks,
Malor

warspite1

Please don't be confused - remember I am a little slow in my frail dotage (not that I was ever exactly razor sharp) and added to this sad state of affairs, this is my first time with the Axis so I don't really know what I'm doing. I had no idea what MPP the Axis are getting and when, I therefore waited a little before deciding to splurge on some tech research.



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 6:00:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Malor


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

5th - 16th November 1939

Damn - I thought my panzerschiffe were going to get home afterall, but they have been found by a Royal Navy destroyer flotilla.

Nothing much else to report - the German Army continue to stream west. I don't used operational movement as I want to save MPP.


Warspite,

Are you using forced march to move them twice as far each turn or using normal movement?

Forced march (double click on unit in case you did not know it was available) is great because they get where you want them fast. They can then start entrenching to defend themselves (when needed) and still have time to be reinforced and upgraded if needed over a few turns while recovering the morale loss from the forced march. With an HQ in the area to help with morale, they can easily be ready for spring attack in the west within a few months, which is about all the time that is available anyway.

Thanks,
Malor
warspite1

Er... that would be no [;)]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 6:05:24 PM)

27th November - 8th December 1939

Admirals Raeder and Donitz plans are unravelling faster than a cheap woollen jumper.

First Admiral Raeder has had to scrap the re-naming ceremony for the Deutschland....

Second, Donitz thought he would set up a U-Boat patrol at the mouth of the Red Sea to disrupt reinforcements to Egypt. Wolfpack Hartmann is found by an aircraft carrier and for some reason, I cannot attack her [&:]

[image]local://upfiles/28156/AC41BFA010D442C9936DBCF9AEFA67F4.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 6:06:45 PM)

27th November - 8th December 1939

Sorry I forgot to show this:

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warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 6:21:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Malor


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

5th - 16th November 1939

Damn - I thought my panzerschiffe were going to get home afterall, but they have been found by a Royal Navy destroyer flotilla.

Nothing much else to report - the German Army continue to stream west. I don't used operational movement as I want to save MPP.


Warspite,

Are you using forced march to move them twice as far each turn or using normal movement?

Forced march (double click on unit in case you did not know it was available) is great because they get where you want them fast. They can then start entrenching to defend themselves (when needed) and still have time to be reinforced and upgraded if needed over a few turns while recovering the morale loss from the forced march. With an HQ in the area to help with morale, they can easily be ready for spring attack in the west within a few months, which is about all the time that is available anyway.

Thanks,
Malor
warspite1

Er... that would be no [;)]

warspite1

Cool! [:)] That really helps. Hope its not too late.



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 6:26:19 PM)

19th - 30th December 1939

Renforcement
None

MPP Expenditure

Germany - Purchase an Army and a Maritime Bomber
Italy - Nothing

[image]local://upfiles/28156/9E79162343484872B583E7EEFCC1C3A6.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 6:28:41 PM)

19th - 30th December 1939

Good shooting from the submariners! But sadly contact is lost with the aircraft carrier [:@]

[image]local://upfiles/28156/26E6F03658674D25B824111050B8B282.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 6:38:42 PM)

12th January - 10th February 1940

Reinforcements

Germany
7th Fallschirmjager Division arrives in Hamburg
1st Fallschirmjager Division arrives in Cologne

Italy
I Corps in Bardia
Garibaldi HQ in Gazala

MPP Expenditure

Germany - The Germans continue to reinforce and upgrade on a limited basis.
Italy - Engineer

[image]local://upfiles/28156/44AF5837B5884D779B3BD42AA97A14DA.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 6:39:48 PM)

12th January - 10th February 1940

A summary of the last turn:

Sadly Wolfpack West runs slap bang into a French destroyer Flotilla off the French coast....

[image]local://upfiles/28156/171BE740F73D4784A290AECDD17DA37D.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 6:42:15 PM)

12th January - 10th February 1940

25 MPP for 8 turns at this stage of the war is just too much. And realistically what are the Kriegsmarine going to be doing with a CV in 1942?


...and the answer is NO.
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warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 7:06:36 PM)

4th - 23th March 1940

Reinforcement

Germany
Tactical Bombers in Koblenz
5th Panzers (to be renamed) in Dusseldorf

MPP Expenditure

Germany - Reinforcement and Upgrade of units
Italy - Reinforcing some units in northern Italy

[image]local://upfiles/28156/225500B3774A4AA5AF1B48EECB0207B5.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 7:15:42 PM)

4th - 23rd March 1940

The Germans prepare for Weserubung. Its flippin' expensive but I think has to be done.

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warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 7:17:45 PM)

4th - 23rd March 1940

[image]local://upfiles/28156/DF7D1F1E0EBD4378B7E55AA5C4C4CE7F.jpg[/image]



Orm -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 8:46:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1
What did Napoleon say at Waterloo? "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake". Oh wait... hang on...how did that end? [X(]


And Wellington listened to those wise words, and was kind enough to not interrupt Napoleon...



Orm -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 9:03:41 PM)

Every time I see the options for Finland I get annoyed and saddened. Even though I am just following a great AAR.



Malor -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 10:10:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Malor


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

5th - 16th November 1939

Damn - I thought my panzerschiffe were going to get home afterall, but they have been found by a Royal Navy destroyer flotilla.

Nothing much else to report - the German Army continue to stream west. I don't used operational movement as I want to save MPP.


Warspite,

Are you using forced march to move them twice as far each turn or using normal movement?

Forced march (double click on unit in case you did not know it was available) is great because they get where you want them fast. They can then start entrenching to defend themselves (when needed) and still have time to be reinforced and upgraded if needed over a few turns while recovering the morale loss from the forced march. With an HQ in the area to help with morale, they can easily be ready for spring attack in the west within a few months, which is about all the time that is available anyway.

Thanks,
Malor
warspite1

Er... that would be no [;)]

warspite1

Cool! [:)] That really helps. Hope its not too late.


[:-] Hoepfully not. But I did learn that you are a lot like me. I started playing without reading the manual first. When I accidently clicked twice on unit and saw I could move it further, I decided it was time to start reading. This game has a few hidden items that are not obvious without learning about them in the manual or when someone points them out to you. [;)]
Malor

PS: Ships can move the same way.



Malor -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/17/2017 10:15:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Malor


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

14th - 25th October 1939

Reinforcements
None

MPP Expenditure

Germany - The Germans spend all their points on research - Infantry Weapons, Advanced Tanks, Advanced Aircraft, Logistics, Production Technology and Industrial Technology
Italy - The Italians research Infantry Weapons

[image]local://upfiles/28156/4192928A2876478689E04F23276AB046.jpg[/image]


Can you explain why you save MPP for multiple turns and then spend them all at once in a single turn?

I'm confused as to why you wait. If you were planning to spend on research, the sooner you spend, the sooner you get a return back. With the Germans earning enough MPP each turn, unless you have a need to spend on something else or need to save for an expensive unit, you spend on research each turn it is possible. Sometimes it helps to spend in a tech twice to increase the speed. I've found that you don't lose all chits in a tech if there are still levels to research so if you spend two chits, when the next level is reached, you are already working on the next one.

Thanks,
Malor

warspite1

Please don't be confused - remember I am a little slow in my frail dotage (not that I was ever exactly razor sharp) and added to this sad state of affairs, this is my first time with the Axis so I don't really know what I'm doing. I had no idea what MPP the Axis are getting and when, I therefore waited a little before deciding to splurge on some tech research.


That makes sense.
Malor



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/18/2017 6:41:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Malor


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Malor


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

5th - 16th November 1939

Damn - I thought my panzerschiffe were going to get home afterall, but they have been found by a Royal Navy destroyer flotilla.

Nothing much else to report - the German Army continue to stream west. I don't used operational movement as I want to save MPP.


Warspite,

Are you using forced march to move them twice as far each turn or using normal movement?

Forced march (double click on unit in case you did not know it was available) is great because they get where you want them fast. They can then start entrenching to defend themselves (when needed) and still have time to be reinforced and upgraded if needed over a few turns while recovering the morale loss from the forced march. With an HQ in the area to help with morale, they can easily be ready for spring attack in the west within a few months, which is about all the time that is available anyway.

Thanks,
Malor
warspite1

Er... that would be no [;)]

warspite1

Cool! [:)] That really helps. Hope its not too late.


[:-] Hoepfully not. But I did learn that you are a lot like me. I started playing without reading the manual first. When I accidently clicked twice on unit and saw I could move it further, I decided it was time to start reading. This game has a few hidden items that are not obvious without learning about them in the manual or when someone points them out to you. [;)]
Malor

PS: Ships can move the same way.
warspite1

I think that, although the Germans cannot afford it, operational movement is a must for the HQ's. The time for action is approaching and they are way out of position. I have the option of attacking now or delaying until more units are up to strength and HQ in place.....

If I attack Holland only (leaving Belgium for the following turn) is that an issue?



Szilard -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/18/2017 12:19:44 PM)

I think Belgium can join the Allies if you attack Holland. Doesn't seem to make much sense historically, but a game thing, I guess.



Klydon -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/18/2017 10:00:45 PM)

I tried Netherlands by itself and Belgium joined the Allies the next turn.



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/18/2017 10:11:10 PM)

Thanks Klydon and Szilard, but I guess the question I am asking is:

Does the fact they have joined the Allies make a difference if I attack the following turn with the Germans? I am guessing it could because the Belgians would have placed their units AND so could then benefit from reinforcement before the German turn?



Klydon -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/19/2017 2:13:44 AM)

They get a chance to place their units, get reinforced (I think) and also dig in a bit more. France/CW also get a chance to move into Belgium to get to better positions all before the Germans get a chance to attack.



Steves762 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/19/2017 3:12:25 PM)

That could be a way to get the French/CW to react as they did historically. I've tried a few variations when Germany finally attacks in the West, and I always find the French and CW still in Northeastern France, and no way to perform the armor sweep to the Channel and cut off those forces. They fall back towards Paris and I end up fighting through them to get to Paris. I may have to try this approach next game.



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/21/2017 8:48:21 AM)

4th - 14th April 1940

Well this could have gone better, but I guess its all part of learning the game when you play a side for the first time.

The Germans declare war on Holland only. In destroying the bulk of the Dutch forces, they have used two of their panzer formations that perhaps could have been saved for Belgium and France.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/4D0233F8ACA14BB791482CB742C9AB8C.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/21/2017 8:51:45 AM)

4th - 14th April 1940

Reinforcements
None

MPP Expenditure

Germany: Reinforcement and upgrade of units
Italy: Reinforcement of units

[image]local://upfiles/28156/7B0F44CC8A0348528F20624CB633893F.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/21/2017 9:01:13 AM)

25th April - 6th May 1940

Okay so the folly of not attacking Holland and Belgium becomes apparent. The Belgian units are reinforced and both British and French forces move into Belgium.

Meanwhile Holland surrenders, and Germany invades both Denmark and Norway.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/520226D68E3C4A628AF47535BA79D63B.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/21/2017 9:03:41 AM)

25th April - 6th May 1940

As has been mentioned on the main forum, the whole Finnish/Allied intervention thing needs looking at.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/0710494229F94F889673ABC75DC1DE4F.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/21/2017 9:06:33 AM)

25th April - 6th May 1940

Reinforcements

Germany:
11th Army in Mainz
U-Boat wolfpack "Kurfurst" in Kiel

MPP Expenditure

Germany: Purchase a mechanised
Italy: Reinforce units on the French border and the Submarine flotilla in Sicily.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/7E941858D20E4E4C8BC9772792A143C3.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Why the Axis lost. Axis AAR (1/21/2017 9:17:42 AM)

25th April - 6th May 1940

At sea the U-boats have been successful but are starting to suffer:

[image]local://upfiles/28156/6F194DE451144DF1A54345E2A0F2A153.jpg[/image]



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