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Crackaces -> RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming (5/29/2019 7:10:27 PM)

Another example ..

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Crackaces -> RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming (5/29/2019 7:11:11 PM)

Example #3:

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morvael -> RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming (5/29/2019 7:14:12 PM)

What were the German fighters escorting?



Crackaces -> RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming (5/29/2019 7:15:02 PM)

Example #4:

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morvael -> RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming (5/29/2019 7:15:03 PM)

I will have to check if these aren't losses from some previous battle that weren't cleared properly before launching this bombing attack.



Crackaces -> RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming (5/29/2019 7:17:09 PM)

Sounds good .. when they were escorting alone .. it would be a fighter sweep .. else a real bombing mission on a target. The last screen will be the total results ..

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Zorch -> RE: OKH - 8 player multiplayer Axis thread (5/29/2019 8:37:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

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ORIGINAL: Zorch post 144
I'd say the Germans are in real good shape and headed for a decisive victory in 1942. Soviet losses of men and factories are very serious.

You called it right. It seems the heavy industry and arms factory losses, although very big, are not serious in these versions anymore. But looks like manpower did it?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4250051&mpage=12
quote:

ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch
At this rate, Stalin himself is going have a sudden illness very soon. Or, he will sacrifice himself heroically for the fatherland. [:D]
No way the Soviets survive past summer of '42.

Stalin is very interested in a prognosis of the war..., would you mind to visit him in Moscow to repeat what you said?
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I think I'll phone it in. [:D]


I take it Stalin took your prognosis calmly and thanked you for speaking truth to power?

Yes, he was very pleased. He had Comrade Beria throw a surprise party for me and arranged an all expenses paid vacation. Postcard below. Wish you were here!

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Telemecus -> 100k hits (6/1/2019 6:09:07 PM)

100k hits!

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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 2:17:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

U2VS:

M60's propaganda machine continues to spew disinformation on the use of U2VS but the records do not lie .. the Soviets have a secret weapons program based on the U2VS ... our intelligence confirms with high confidence this is verified.

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Confirmed there were no airgroups with U2VS then - so definitely a bug
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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 3:14:04 PM)

And one U2VS was actually added to the pool - even though they had no factories or airgroups!

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Edit: Nothing converts to U2VS either according to scenario data.



morvael -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 6:53:35 PM)

Were those U-2VS listed as lost in a mismatched battle report somewhere?



Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 7:11:21 PM)

Air battles during the Soviet phases initiated on the Soviet side shown below. I clicked on all the battles listing a lost Soviet bomber - none included U2-VS.
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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 7:13:09 PM)

Battles during Soviet logistics phase - none included U2VS. However the loss was listed as being during the action phase anyway.

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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 7:21:38 PM)

U2VS also lost turn 62

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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 7:22:15 PM)

and turn 63

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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 7:22:48 PM)

and turn 64

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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 7:26:01 PM)

and turn 65

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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 7:28:19 PM)

Still no airgroups or factories on turn 65 - but more in the pool! [&:] [:'(] [:D] [:-] [X(]
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morvael -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 8:00:08 PM)

Maybe they are produced in damaged factories?



Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 8:07:15 PM)

Last U2VS factory was overrun by Axis ground forces on turn 59 see post 1069 here http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4250683&mpage=36 . During the team game before we tracked all the other U2VS factories and saw them being overrun by Axis ground forces.

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Zorch -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 8:09:00 PM)

It's the U-2VS that EvK used to escape. Refurbished, sold on an 'as is' basis.



morvael -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/3/2019 9:17:46 PM)

[:D]

Imported from other variant? Though in my current data I can't see import being configured.



Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/4/2019 8:35:05 AM)

Ah just spotted it in log report

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ORIGINAL: morvael
Imported from other variant? Though in my current data I can't see import being configured.


This game was started in v1.10 data and there are no imports/exports/conversions to U2VS. I believe this feature has remained unchanged in every version. And none described in the real log reports.

My guess is related to this bug and so unfixable?
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4472786&mpage=1



Zorch -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/4/2019 10:49:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Ah just spotted it in log report

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ORIGINAL: morvael



http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4472786&mpage=1

Lend Lease provided the Soviets with cutting edge Western designs.


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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 61: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/4/2019 11:05:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch
Lend Lease provided the Soviets with cutting edge Western designs.


The Soviet Union particularly (not) appreciated the M3 tanks!

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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 65: The Ending (6/4/2019 11:07:09 AM)

Indeed by turn 65 they were donating some to the Germans!

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[or at least the Stuart Light Tank M3s anyway]



Zorch -> RE: Turn 65: The Ending (6/4/2019 4:50:47 PM)

There is a book, Great British Tanks of WWII. It's a very thin book.

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Telemecus -> RE: Turn 65: The Ending (6/4/2019 5:00:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch
There is a book, Great British Tanks of WWII. It's a very thin book.


Even more fun was watching tanks expert Nicholas Moran ("The Chieftain") do his review of armoured fighting vehicles of the Irish army - which left me asking really? Turns out the Irish army has had two AFVs. No not two types of AFV - I mean they have only had two AFVs!

Watch how well he pads out this video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceQrQCgMLRA



morvael -> RE: Turn 65: The Ending (6/5/2019 8:42:56 PM)

Why is that your version shows U2-VS under "Dive Bomber", while my 1.11.03 as "Tactical Bomber"? I assume it's a game started with older generic data (pre 1.11.01)?



morvael -> RE: Turn 63: The Dawn is Surely Coming (6/5/2019 9:29:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Example #4:

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Did you have some interdiction attacks that turn?



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