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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 12:31:36 AM)

TF Mutsu closes with another Allied task force. I don't like that these are 2nd rate light cruisers....can we avoid the air attacks that are surely coming? After this the Mutsu closes with Isis and puts a hurting on her,

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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 12:37:45 AM)

Its chaos in the air from Burma to Sumatra to Manchuko.

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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 12:40:19 AM)

Supply for where? Singers of course.

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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 12:42:07 AM)

Invasion Oosthaven! Not unexpected.

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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 12:45:43 AM)

No one day probing bombardment, and we lose a valuable x3 terrain hex.



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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 12:53:50 AM)

What a fight....I believe the three British cruisers made Batavia.

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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 12:56:06 AM)

Butchers bill at sea...missing from the list is the Vendetta, the Cummings, and the Isis.

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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 1:02:05 AM)

Another hard day in the air.

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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 1:08:37 AM)

In a pickle here....Guards Mxd Brigade down to 45 AV....

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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 12:09:28 PM)

Wenchow defenders hold on.

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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/8/2017 12:32:01 PM)

Manchuko

Those 4 divisions in escaping the Kotou Pocket represent a huge percentage of the effective IJA strength on the Soviet Front.

Sending in the reserve division today to try and stabilize the north.



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Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/9/2017 5:01:11 PM)

Turn is with the Allies, and it maybe a slow week as Obvert is travelling.

I am giving up on the Alexandrovsk invasion, Soviets reinforced way too strongly for now. Will bombard the base with battleships, cruisers, light cruisers and destroyers from 12 cm range. The troops are being re-routed to other areas of need. Shikuka will be bombarded too but with only one cruiser and two destroyers.

Invasion of Bering Island leaves today...should make landfall in 2 days.

The Abukuma is making her way up the Malacca straits, along with several other destroyers, two APDs and one DMS. Hopefully they will be enough to prevent single ship xakl from running in supply from that direction.

The rest of the fleet around Singers is moving on Pontianak and Sinkawang for re-arming.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/9/2017 7:09:35 PM)

This is such a strange game! [8D]

I do seem to recall folks predicting that an early Soviet activation would be a Japan cake-walk due entirely to the superiority of their air force.

Hmm . . .



Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/9/2017 8:04:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

This is such a strange game! [8D]

I do seem to recall folks predicting that an early Soviet activation would be a Japan cake-walk due entirely to the superiority of their air force.

Hmm . . .


Nobody I know has ever started a war with the Soviets this early, outside of Focus Pacific. In addition, most Japanese players pull a surprise attack on the Soviets, but it was Japan that got surprised.

By June, the Japanese fighters can dominate, and during 1942 the Soviets will lose 7 Divisions (approximately) to fight the Germans.

But offsetting the Japanese eventual superiority in the air, is the excellent Soviet AA.

There is very little plane builds, or even replacement troops.

So, I anticipate a change in fortune here eventually, before the end.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/9/2017 8:24:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

This is such a strange game! [8D]

I do seem to recall folks predicting that an early Soviet activation would be a Japan cake-walk due entirely to the superiority of their air force.

Hmm . . .


Nobody I know has ever started a war with the Soviets this early, outside of Focus Pacific. In addition, most Japanese players pull a surprise attack on the Soviets, but it was Japan that got surprised.

By June, the Japanese fighters can dominate, and during 1942 the Soviets will lose 7 Divisions (approximately) to fight the Germans.

But offsetting the Japanese eventual superiority in the air, is the excellent Soviet AA.

There is very little plane builds, or even replacement troops.

So, I anticipate a change in fortune here eventually, before the end.



In the thread I'm thinking of I don't think there was any date hedging. I was on the other side; I'm not an airplane guy and they can do what they do, but they aren't magical.

In that thread I think I counted up the USSR land OOB and it was something like 32 divisions and division equivalents. They do lose a lot, get a lot, lose some more, get more back, etc. It's a revolving door until 1945.

No, nobody I know of has done what you have here. I applaud the try. Very instructive. But Japan is in trouble worldwide as the Soviet front just deforms every timetable and resource allocation during the critical USA-weak months.

In case I'm not being clear--I think you've done a great job. [:'(]



Mahrgell -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/9/2017 10:53:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Will bombard the base with battleships, cruisers, light cruisers and destroyers from 12 cm range.

Wow. That's brutal. [X(]
I wonder how your ships will sneak up that close. (and get back into the water after) But so far you managed to surprise in all your games, so I'm looking forward to it.



Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/9/2017 11:08:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mahrgell


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Will bombard the base with battleships, cruisers, light cruisers and destroyers from 12 cm range.

Wow. That's brutal. [X(]
I wonder how your ships will sneak up that close. (and get back into the water after) But so far you managed to surprise in all your games, so I'm looking forward to it.


You are not a JFB....12cm is the size of the main guns on destroyers. [:)]



Mahrgell -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 12:32:46 AM)

I had to read this a few dozen times, until I understood it.
But I prefer my original interpretation. [8D]



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 12:52:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mahrgell


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Will bombard the base with battleships, cruisers, light cruisers and destroyers from 12 cm range.

Wow. That's brutal. [X(]
I wonder how your ships will sneak up that close. (and get back into the water after) But so far you managed to surprise in all your games, so I'm looking forward to it.


Tiny little feets.



Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 1:33:54 AM)

So, what does everyone think of the Allies sending in the jv team into Palembang? Testing my preparedness in defending it? Misdirection? An attempt to get single ship xakl to Singers?

I don't think the Allies can land near enough troops into Sumatra to threaten Palembang...but by going here he is buying time, and causing me to react rather than him to my moves if I let him. I just need to stick to my plan, and steadily bleed the Allies.

Everything in stride.






Lowpe -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 1:42:49 AM)

Actually, a better question is who isn't reading Obvert's AAR?



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 2:14:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Actually, a better question is who isn't reading Obvert's AAR?


I look at his once in awhile, but he tends to post whole CRs, and I don't read them much. I don't know what he's doing in Sumatra . . .

. . . but I consider every day Japan does NOT hold Pbang to be a gift I will receive in 1944. In my games it's also been the go-to for supply shots into Singers as long as that was worth losing the ships. Cause you almost always lose the ships.



DanSez -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 2:21:56 AM)

I am not reading the Evil Empire's plans or musings.
Your mis-adventure is great reading and an interesting contest, but if you make it past 1944 I will be pleasantly surprised.

I will be cheering you on but I am a couple of grades down the food chain to the action here.





Lovejoy -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 3:04:13 AM)

I think it would be hard not to read both sides in this game just because its early 1942 with an activated Soviet Union. It's kinda hard just to read one side!



Alfred -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 4:26:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Actually, a better question is who isn't reading Obvert's AAR?


Me.[:)]

I only read one side's AAR when I intend to actively participate with strategic/tactical commentary. Matches which I don't really care for either side I might read both. For those I tend to limit myself to clarifying game mechanics. It is far too easy to breach OpSec and I constantly see posters to both sides AAR falling foul.

Most AARs I don't read although if I notice that certain individuals are listed as the last poster I might click on to read that individual's post.

Alfred



Alfred -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 4:37:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

This is such a strange game! [8D]

I do seem to recall folks predicting that an early Soviet activation would be a Japan cake-walk due entirely to the superiority of their air force.

Hmm . . .


Nobody I know has ever started a war with the Soviets this early, outside of Focus Pacific. In addition, most Japanese players pull a surprise attack on the Soviets, but it was Japan that got surprised.

By June, the Japanese fighters can dominate, and during 1942 the Soviets will lose 7 Divisions (approximately) to fight the Germans.

But offsetting the Japanese eventual superiority in the air, is the excellent Soviet AA.

There is very little plane builds, or even replacement troops.

So, I anticipate a change in fortune here eventually, before the end.



In the thread I'm thinking of I don't think there was any date hedging. I was on the other side; I'm not an airplane guy and they can do what they do, but they aren't magical.

In that thread I think I counted up the USSR land OOB and it was something like 32 divisions and division equivalents. They do lose a lot, get a lot, lose some more, get more back, etc. It's a revolving door until 1945.

No, nobody I know of has done what you have here. I applaud the try. Very instructive. But Japan is in trouble worldwide as the Soviet front just deforms every timetable and resource allocation during the critical USA-weak months.

In case I'm not being clear--I think you've done a great job. [:'(]


The 2000 AV garrison "bug" at Harbin (ed: wrong city the affected city was Mukden) has been a very significant factor in aiding the Soviet performance in this match. IIRC that typo "bug" did not exist in 2009-2011 (approximately) or was not perhaps spotted when that earlier discussion probably occurred. Without the typo Lowpe would have been able to position another 1800 AV to meet the Soviet rush. That would completely alter the land dynamics.

Alfred

Edit: The affected city was Mukden, not Harbin. See post #1123 for the details.



Encircled -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 9:24:13 AM)

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Tiny little feets.


Goddamm these versions that make the IJN super strong! [;)]



Mahrgell -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 10:25:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Actually, a better question is who isn't reading Obvert's AAR?


Me actually.
Generally I'm almost solely interested in JFB AAR, and my willingness to read AARs depends heavily on the writer. You have a great compact style to present all your exploits, which makes it fun to read. Add to that, that you somehow always land in very "special" situations. :D

So for the last months, I read your AARs exclusively ^.^



ny59giants -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 11:22:24 AM)

Southern Sumatra: He may not be able to threaten Palembang from the ground, but by capturing Oosthaven and other bases, he can bring into play his short legged Hurricanes and the American P-39/40s. He will stretch your Zeros even more until your beloved Nicks come out to protect the oil there.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Soviets Activated.... (10/10/2017 1:04:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

The 2000 AV garrison "bug" at Harbin has been a very significant factor in aiding the Soviet performance in this match. IIRC that typo "bug" did not exist in 2009-2011 (approximately) or was not perhaps spotted when that earlier discussion probably occurred. Without the typo Lowpe would have been able to position another 1800 AV to meet the Soviet rush. That would completely alter the land dynamics.

Alfred


Mark up another thing about the game I had never heard of. That's a huge garrison.



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