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Telemecus -> RE: July 1943 (12/7/2017 12:06:47 PM)

Given that you have pools of fighters and your crunch point is air groups I would definitely change a few of your other groups to single seat fighter air groups.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: July 1943 (12/7/2017 12:51:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: STEF78


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
...You should have a nice pool of fighters built up as reserves though. You should be able to contest 1 area pretty nicely ;-)...


I checked my fighter's production. The losses aren't an issue as I don't remind a week when german lost more than 80 figters.

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/224145stelfighters2.jpg[/img]

But I have only 10 fighter's groups. 2 of them with 12 and 4 fighters

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/660522stelfighters.jpg[/img]

There are also some night fighters groups but they are far less efficient

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/592151stelighters3.jpg[/img]




I say for late 43 early 44 in the air you are in pretty darn good shape to be honest.



STEF78 -> RE: July 1943 (12/7/2017 1:02:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Given that you have pools of fighters and your crunch point is air groups I would definitely change a few of your other groups to single seat fighter air groups.

Unfornately, BF109 aren't allowed for night fighters squads...



STEF78 -> RE: July 1943 (12/7/2017 1:04:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
...I say for late 43 early 44 in the air you are in pretty darn good shape to be honest.

Thanks, but the worst is before us...



Telemecus -> RE: July 1943 (12/7/2017 1:08:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: STEF78


quote:

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Given that you have pools of fighters and your crunch point is air groups I would definitely change a few of your other groups to single seat fighter air groups.

Unfornately, BF109 aren't allowed for night fighters squads...



I was thinking more of swapping your fighter trained Bf110 air groups to Bf109s that you can do via Me



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: July 1943 (12/7/2017 1:20:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: STEF78


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
...I say for late 43 early 44 in the air you are in pretty darn good shape to be honest.

Thanks, but the worst is before us...


Oh I know you have 44 to look forward to & I don't envy you at all. I like the counter attacks & think they are doing the trick for you right now.



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/7/2017 1:26:40 PM)

Turn 112, 5th august 1943

attacking requires high skill in preparation, coordination, explotation.. but defending isn't only a question of CV, line of defence and reserve activation.

There is a time when your feeling, your flair tells your that it's time to go. I feel it's now my case in this game. End 1942, we were fighting mostly from Saratov to Stalingrad and north of Baku.

Now the red army is able to achieve strong attacks from the Valdaļ hills to Sevastopol and I don't want to hold the line a turn too late (too far)

North of Baku our line holds firmly...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/TIDXOv5.jpg[/img]

... but the situation becomes nasty east of Stalingrad...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/7KuA1O7.jpg[/img]

and west of Saratov.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gOqyuaL.jpg[/img]

maybe it could have been safe one more week but I'm not confident. Stelteck has too many tank corps. So, I give some ground and create a tactical reserve. The other mobile units from Stalingrad are sent in the north were I have a bad feeling.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ILwjVPq.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/7/2017 1:33:52 PM)

Of course we also have heavy fights around Sevastopol, Sochi, Tambov

[img]https://i.imgur.com/haVG0X9.jpg[/img]

and north of Moscow. This sector requires strong reinforcements. Losses on both side are very heavy. I have a net loss of 10k men per week (+20-30)...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/IvX8AC9.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> RE: July 1943 (12/8/2017 9:43:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

I was thinking more of swapping your fighter trained Bf110 air groups to Bf109s that you can do via Me

Good idea but I have no more fighters groups with BF110

Concerning night fighters, what I can do, see below

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/323718stelfighter4.jpg[/img]

I would like to swap these fighters to FW190, whech are far better, but no factory is dedicated to this plane... a bug?

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/380866stelf.jpg[/img]



M60A3TTS -> RE: August 1943 (12/8/2017 4:46:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78

Turn 112, 5th august 1943

attacking requires high skill in preparation, coordination, explotation.. but defending isn't only a question of CV, line of defence and reserve activation.

There is a time when your feeling, your flair tells your that it's time to go. I feel it's now my case in this game. End 1942, we were fighting mostly from Saratov to Stalingrad and north of Baku.

Now the red army is able to achieve strong attacks from the Valdaļ hills to Sevastopol and I don't want to hold the line a turn too late (too far)

North of Baku our line holds firmly...

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/842091stel112baku.jpg[/img]

... but the situation becomes nasty east of Stalingrad...

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/494747stel112stalingrad.jpg[/img]

and west of Saratov.

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/988927stel112saratov.jpg[/img]

maybe it could have been safe one more week but I'm not confident. Stelteck has too many tank corps. So, I give some ground and create a tactical reserve. The other mobile units from Stalingrad are sent in the north were I have a bad feeling.

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/860290stel112retreat.jpg[/img]





Wait, what? 8th Tank Army?

@morvael. The Soviets were previously limited to the historical six. Did you patch that out?



Telemecus -> RE: July 1943 (12/8/2017 5:30:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: STEF78
Good idea but I have no more fighters groups with BF110


You do have them in the pool - so you can swap them to that, as in your example above, and then onwards to single seat fighters. Each swap does mean a loss of experience - but it way be worth going through a chain of swaps where the end of the path is a single seat fighter group if that is a choke point.

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ORIGINAL: STEF78
Concerning night fighters, what I can do, see below

There are quite a few aircraft types that exist in airgroups or the pool but for which there are no factories. So in v.1.10 8/NKG 200 arrives as an airgroup equipped with FW 190A-5/U2 night fighters on turn 113 but there seems to be no factory for them. I have always assumed this were the small numbers of aircraft produced as a test run or for demonstration which remained in the Luftwaffe but were never commissioned for mass production - but I guess the developers will have to explain.



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/8/2017 8:26:57 PM)

Turn 113, 12th august 1943

Giving some ground allowed my troops to suffer less pressure in the Saratov/Stalingrad area. But I'm very cautious as Stelteck has a lot of tank corps.

An overview of the whole front before my moves.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/JJWfwPA.jpg[/img]

and the southern part of the front. Stelteck is now sure that my Pzd are not anymore in Astrakhan. Lots of ennemies in sight [:(]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/y15WCy9.jpg[/img]

Closer view of Sevastopol. Chain of command isn't good. I will set all the defence under command of the best romnanian commander, inf rating of 6

[img]https://i.imgur.com/TjCeeVA.jpg[/img]

North of Baku, we strongly couterattack the Cav corps before they can be enough entrenched

[img]https://i.imgur.com/5DFhrWn.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/8/2017 8:36:13 PM)

We never let russian spearheads quiet. They aren't dig in. Thus they have to pay for it... Even if the losses are equilibrated, I will not be a consentant victim!.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/o2hj4Of.jpg[/img]

Same job around Ryazan

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6kzUJYF.jpg[/img]

I'm short of mobile units in the north, they are on the (rail)road...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/egX1JiM.jpg[/img]

And the losses, always far too heavy

[img]https://i.imgur.com/IiuL06n.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/9/2017 1:11:36 PM)

Just to illustrate intensity of fights and losses, evolution of both OOB

Russian infantry is no more growing, airplanes are shot like ducks, only AFV are growing. The german side received several stug and panzer battalions.

Even russian artillery is no more growing! gain of ground is paid at high price!

[img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/476436evolOOB.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/10/2017 8:01:59 PM)

Turn 114, 19th august 1943

An overview of the situation. The frontline is in fire from VV to Sevastopol.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/HNGm2a4.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/10/2017 8:10:22 PM)

Closer from some areas

Bad news in the South, the rail is cut, troops in eastern Caucasus and Astrakhan won't be resupplied

[img]https://i.imgur.com/0p3wqvO.jpg[/img]

North of Stalingrad, the russians penetrated deeply in our lines, east of Stalingrad, the russians cleared the eastern bank of the Volga

[img]https://i.imgur.com/tYNBoRZ.jpg[/img]

Situation is reestablihed with strong counterattacks

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6JXq0QZ.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/10/2017 8:13:29 PM)

And a view of the fights north of Moscow

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZFxW35l.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/13/2017 6:07:09 AM)

Turn 115, 26th august 1943

My fontline becomes more an more instable in several areas.

In the South, Astrakhan wil not be held till mud. I have only romanians troops and no supply at this time. I tried to counterattack against advancing russian troops, without success.

I thought east of Stalingrad would be a secondary theater, maybe I was wrong. Strong russian units are involved here.

North of Stalingrad, my fontline is in bad shape.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/BVzdve3.jpg[/img]

I give some ground north of Stalingrad, where I feel immediate danger. Of course I did some bloody counterattacks!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/hFFSeni.jpg[/img]

Some fights near Moscow, I've sent some fighters here. We now can deny russian air superiority. See also my Pzd on the road to VV.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ijuSrDC.jpg[/img]

as aleady written, reinforcements are heavily required.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/95tZUCD.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> August 1943 (12/13/2017 6:09:46 AM)

And the losses, always too heavy

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gAFIScj.jpg[/img]

and air losses, no comment

[img]https://i.imgur.com/N3JeE3u.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> September 1943 (12/15/2017 7:23:30 PM)

Turn 116, 2nd september 1943

Last month of summer has begun, and nothing good happened this week... except perhaps russian AFV losses. But is it useful?

North of Baku, 3 inf divs with level 3 entrenchement are expelled after 3 massive assaults. russian losses are very heavy but who cares?
My line is still strong here and it's not my main area of concern

[img]https://i.imgur.com/qmAUeaO.jpg[/img]

Near VV, my defence is outnumbered and near Dimitrov, I don't like these 3 tank corps. Fortunately, 46th Pzk has arrived...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/YgQaZTL.jpg[/img]

... and his strong counterattack allowed me to expell the russians and to strengthen the frontline.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/cJyUx3M.jpg[/img]h.jpg[/img][/url]

North of Moscow, 56th pzk did the job!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/DI1PLR0.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> September 1943 (12/15/2017 7:36:28 PM)

Stalingrad and the Don bend are my main headache area. I obviously underestimated the ability of russian tank corps to threaten my right wing... Near Astrakhan, russian Cav corps have crossed the Volga. Not good.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/VmpieaK.jpg[/img]

My mobile units counterattack but i'm do weak to make enough damages to the russian spearheads. I sacrifice the 2 romanians units and don't throw good money after bad. If stelteck chooses to destroy them, I will earn a week. a good deal from my point of view.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/wSV39Y5.jpg[/img]

And a general view of the positions after my moves

[img]https://i.imgur.com/0wd7jTr.jpg[/img]



SparkleyTits -> RE: September 1943 (12/15/2017 7:45:50 PM)

Ah damnit you were efficiently holding up some hefty force at Baku



STEF78 -> RE: September 1943 (12/15/2017 8:03:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

Ah damnit you were efficiently holding up some hefty force at Baku

True but my main main concern is now South of Stalingrad. I would need 2 more Pzk to be safe here. Unfortunatly, They aren't available [:(]



SparkleyTits -> RE: September 1943 (12/15/2017 8:53:00 PM)

Yeah the Volga is gonna cause you some nasty after effects [:(]



chaos45 -> RE: September 1943 (12/15/2017 10:58:44 PM)

You probably need to start the retreat towards rostov with your far south troops, your risking losing all of the rumanians soon otherwise.

Looks like a fun game, and about how 1943 should be....in the long run if you can keep up the high soviet tank losses they might matter...it will take you a long time to burn down his pools tho. What I found was the soviets take massive tank losses for awhile but then the German line starts to beak--- and if you can knock out a German army soviet tank losses will start to drop as it gets easier and easier to breach the german defenses and their entrenchment values get lower due to forced retreats.



STEF78 -> September 1943 (12/16/2017 4:31:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: chaos45

You probably need to start the retreat towards rostov with your far south troops, your risking losing all of the rumanians soon otherwise.

I didn't take a picture after my moves but romanians gave up Astrakhan on turn 116.

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Looks like a fun game, and about how 1943 should be....

We don't have so many AAR showing entire 1943. But I think it's fifficult (and dangerous) to hold all conquered territories until late 1943. If the russians have survived 1942, they are almost always dangerous coming sumer 1943.


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in the long run if you can keep up the high soviet tank losses they might matter...it will take you a long time to burn down his pools tho.

I don't believe it's possible to burn the T34 pool...

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What I found was the soviets take massive tank losses for awhile but then the German line starts to beak--- and if you can knock out a German army soviet tank losses will start to drop as it gets easier and easier to breach the german defenses and their entrenchment values get lower due to forced retreats.

Stelteck has developped a very interesting strategy while building his red army 2.0 It's not a huge one but a very mobile one with a lot of tank corps, mech corps... I didn't think it could be efficient due to truck shortage. at the moment it seems working.



chaos45 -> RE: September 1943 (12/16/2017 4:54:22 PM)

He has enough is the problem- I found the same thing in my game vs pelton---almost 10 million men is to many, as the soviet army gets better you can do just fine with 7-8 Million troops, and its honetly better as it saves you alot of trucks. I found myself disbanding soviet units as we went into late 1943.

As to T34s....you cant keep burning 1,000 tanks a turn forever eventually it will drop the pool. Key thing is can the Germans keep fighting hard enough to make the Soviets burn 1,000 tanks a week. I found after awhile the Germans started to lose the ability to counterattack the tank/mech corps successfully and thats when the tide really turns.

Stelteck also has alot of CAV corps I do believe, and in all honesty any good soviet player will want around 25+ cav corps...as they are fairly mobile, pack a punch as guards from 1943 on and dont use many trucks at all really esp compared to tank/mech corps.



STEF78 -> RE: September 1943 (12/16/2017 9:44:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: chaos45
... As to T34s....you cant keep burning 1,000 tanks a turn forever eventually it will drop the pool. Key thing is can the Germans keep fighting hard enough to make the Soviets burn 1,000 tanks a week. I found after awhile the Germans started to lose the ability to counterattack the tank/mech corps successfully and thats when the tide really turns. ...


We are some turns ahead of the AAR and axis is still able to counterattack efficiently russian mobile spearheads. I think it will still be the same during winter 43/44 campaign.

Currently, I'm burning wetween 700 and 1000 russian AFV per turn

At the moment I'm facing several other problems
- my NM is slowly diminishing. I'm now 67, and it has a huge impact on Cv's
- my Inf divs are at 75/80% TOE and will never recover. Fights are far too heavy
- I'm lacking of fighters even if I got some FB during the last turns

But as long as I didn't suffer a major breakthrough, it's fine... but it won't last. Having already, played summer 44 as german, I perfectly aware that the worse is coming soon.



STEF78 -> September 1943 (12/17/2017 7:17:36 PM)

Turn 117, 9th september 1943

This time it's clear. We are giving up our more eastern positions. Lower Volga is entirely under russian hands.

An overwiew of the front with the main areas of fights and the possible axis of russian advance. We expect to be on the Vorochilovsk/Manich/Don bend line when mud comes. We will do our best to keep Stalingrad but I will not take the risk of being surrounded in order to keep the city on more week.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/aoIeYyf.jpg[/img]

A closer view from Makhachkala (what a name!). Our last e-graves in this area...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/uFkM88i.jpg[/img]

Near Stalingrad some counterattacks. Stelteck has choosen to destroy my 2 romanian divs. That's ok for me. Note the location of russian railhead. It will be important to locate the NKPS units in order to evaluate russian supply.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Su2Zlj2.jpg[/img]

Usual fights in the north I didn't take pictures of other areas but we are fighting all along the front, including Sochi and Sevastopol

[img]https://i.imgur.com/W3tQXSU.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> September 1943 (12/20/2017 7:24:57 PM)

Turn 118, 16th september 1943

Attacks and counterattacks in several parts of the front

North of Moscow, Stelteck is aiming for a breakthrough in order to use efficiently his tank corps. Not successfull yet

[img]https://i.imgur.com/RzIPmIz.jpg[/img]north.jpg[/img][/url]

German counterattacks are efficient and russian's losses are heavy. I now have fighters near Moscow and they are Deadly for red airplanes

[img]https://i.imgur.com/YLAgPzq.jpg[/img]

A view of tambov's area. This time GD reserve activation doesn't work...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/7Zr9JEf.jpg[/img]

But counterattack are fine!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Fgz6Avz.jpg[/img]



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