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thedoctorking -> RE: June 1943 (11/21/2017 3:04:09 AM)
Still, astounding that you're fighting along the Volga and within a few kilometers of the Caspian in 1943. Hitler's dream.

STEF78 -> July 1943 (11/22/2017 8:36:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thedoctorking Still, astounding that you're fighting along the Volga and within a few kilometers of the Caspian in 1943. Hitler's dream. It will be the last summer on the caspian beaches...

STEF78 -> July 1943 (11/22/2017 8:41:01 PM)
Turn 107, 1st july 1943 Good news from the South, our line holds in Sochi... [img]https://i.imgur.com/6hOF6E6.jpg[/img] .. and in eastern Caucasus. always impressed with russian losses... [img]https://i.imgur.com/DBfoYtN.jpg[/img] Minor attacks east of lake Elton Stalingrad [img]https://i.imgur.com/o8j1WZT.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> July 1943 (11/22/2017 8:50:00 PM)
As usual, multiple attacks are required, but we have to give ground. I don't like it... [img]https://i.imgur.com/IrZ3GS1.jpg[/img] Strong counterattack north of tambov [img]https://i.imgur.com/Kielyzf.jpg[/img] And heavy fights east of Moscow. Our level of forts is slowly but surely decreaing... New record, more than 6000 guns involved in a single attack [:(] [img]https://i.imgur.com/BTb9xwt.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> July 1943 (11/26/2017 9:30:15 PM)
Turn 108, 8th july 1943 In the South, nothing new. Usual (slow) russian progress near Sochi... [img]https://i.imgur.com/oX1P6iB.jpg[/img] ... and fierce battles north of Baku. A stack of 3 german infs isn't able to block russian advance.... annoying. [img]https://i.imgur.com/B3r7Wzf.jpg[/img] Some attacks/counterattacks near lake Elton [img]https://i.imgur.com/LB5i2bu.jpg[/img] The bad news occured in Tambov. a strong russian blow almost created an encirclement... another new record, more than 1900 AFV involved in a single attack [:(] [img]https://i.imgur.com/UHYiD2b.jpg[/img] We have to gather several Pzd to re-establish the frontline [img]https://i.imgur.com/2mzmXdB.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> July 1943 (11/29/2017 7:39:14 PM)
Turn 109, 15th july 1943 Well, it should be the beginning of the Kursk battle... we are fighting some miles away. In the South an overwiew of the frontline, we have 2 dictinct areas of fights and between a huge no man's land [img]https://i.imgur.com/0YXi6ZD.jpg[/img] Heavy fights around Tambov and more than 2000 russian AFV in a single fight !!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/DZkHh3N.jpg[/img] and a view of german Pzd/Mot units. German mobile units will have to fight hard during this summer to prevent a significant russian breakthrough. [img]https://i.imgur.com/zj3QpD5.jpg[/img]

Twigster -> RE: July 1943 (11/29/2017 8:10:35 PM)
quote: ... and fierce battles north of Baku. A stack of 3 german infs isn't able to block russian advance.... annoying. Annoying perhaps but...Holy Cow! Looking at what was thrown at them-twice- what were they supposed to do after their fortifications were gone in a Clear hex? Judging by the losses I'd say they made the Reds pay dearly. Sergeant Steiner is never around when you need him, I guess. (see the film, Cross of Iron).

STEF78 -> RE: July 1943 (11/29/2017 9:13:04 PM)
You're right but 3 infs divs with level 3.10 is what I can get as best defence except Pzd or Mot units. And I don't like that, early july 1943, they cannot resist more than a single turn.... They did the job, but it was not enough. I will have to duplicate Steiner 1 000 000 times...

Crackaces -> RE: July 1943 (11/29/2017 9:38:17 PM)
I did notice some defense in good forts without Art SU's ..concentrating on flak .. the rules seem to indicate this is a big plus with more accurate fire leading to more disruption .. I am thinking it is worth the investment of selecting Art SU's for your units in forts => 2? (Rather than flak?)

Twigster -> RE: July 1943 (11/29/2017 10:06:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces I did notice some defense in good forts without Art SU's ..concentrating on flak .. the rules seem to indicate this is a big plus with more accurate fire leading to more disruption .. I am thinking it is worth the investment of selecting Art SU's for your units in forts => 2? (Rather than flak?) But then there's that the LW Mixed Flak SUs can contribute to defense against armor also- think 88s.

Twigster -> RE: July 1943 (11/29/2017 10:10:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 You're right but 3 infs divs with level 3.10 is what I can get as best defence except Pzd or Mot units. And I don't like that, early july 1943, they cannot resist more than a single turn.... They did the job, but it was not enough. I will have to duplicate Steiner 1 000 000 times... I do understand. But on that second attack your defenders were outgunned nearly 3-1 in arty and 50-1 in AFVs and they took out nearly 80 AFVs and a decent number of planes, that is what stood out to me.

Crackaces -> RE: July 1943 (11/29/2017 11:00:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twigster quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces I did notice some defense in good forts without Art SU's ..concentrating on flak .. the rules seem to indicate this is a big plus with more accurate fire leading to more disruption .. I am thinking it is worth the investment of selecting Art SU's for your units in forts => 2? (Rather than flak?) But then there's that the LW Mixed Flak SUs can contribute to defense against armor also- think 88s. Tha 80 AFV�s probably was the best CV reduction vs potential Infantry dispursion .. However I am not sure what would maximize the end adjusted CV ? I believe the Soviets could take such losses and knock on Betlin�s Door while I think the Germans really want to hold hexes for as long as possible...

Twigster -> RE: July 1943 (11/29/2017 11:16:34 PM)
quote: However I am not sure what would maximize the end adjusted CV ? Good question. But sure, I of course understand the Red Army at this point is basically one big damage sponge, a steam roller. And he's annoyed that the Sovs blew through the best defense he could muster at that location- I get it. I would just like to see the full details of the fight in that hex though.

Crackaces -> RE: July 1943 (11/30/2017 12:33:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twigster battle wold quote: However I am not sure what would maximize the end adjusted CV ? Good question. But sure, I of course understand the Red Army at this point is basically one big damage sponge, a steam roller. And he's annoyed that the Sovs blew through the best defense he could muster at that location- I get it. I would just like to see the full details of the fight in that hex though. Look at the post in 424 and 425 .. I realize this is oranges and apples ..but howitzers in a panzer division with a fort vs. a rifle corps and a lot of artillery results in a hold . Soviet tanks no artillery results in a retreat .. so .. in the second battle with armor vs infantry is anti tank the answer or artillery given the fort? The answer given programing of the game might not be as intuitive as once thought ...

Twigster -> RE: July 1943 (11/30/2017 1:50:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces quote: ORIGINAL: Twigster battle wold quote: However I am not sure what would maximize the end adjusted CV ? Good question. But sure, I of course understand the Red Army at this point is basically one big damage sponge, a steam roller. And he's annoyed that the Sovs blew through the best defense he could muster at that location- I get it. I would just like to see the full details of the fight in that hex though. Look at the post in 424 and 425 .. I realize this is oranges and apples ..but howitzers in a panzer division with a fort vs. a rifle corps and a lot of artillery results in a hold . Soviet tanks no artillery results in a retreat .. so .. in the second battle with armor vs infantry is anti tank the answer or artillery given the fort? The answer given programing of the game might not be as intuitive as once thought ... To be sure, perhaps not. The screenshot does not show us all of the SUs involved though; I think he did still have the howitzers attached to the 205th and we don't know what else at this point.

STEF78 -> July 1943 (12/2/2017 4:36:38 PM)
Turn 110, 22th july 1943 Bloody week, more and more areas involved in fights... The OOB are still mighty. Above 4,4M men for german army, above 8M men for the soviets [img]https://i.imgur.com/Yws2dzb.jpg[/img] Beginning from the South, nothing new near Sochi... [img]https://i.imgur.com/JqsbnTx.jpg[/img] and usual heavy fights north of Baku... [img]https://i.imgur.com/AwNOPf9.jpg[/img] Situation is becoming instable around lake Elton... [img]https://i.imgur.com/pIIGjfC.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> July 1943 (12/2/2017 4:44:24 PM)
some units are fighting for several weeks and TOE is badly affected [img]https://i.imgur.com/niq5dph.jpg[/img] Pressure is increasing west of Saratov [img]https://i.imgur.com/ovwD9zP.jpg[/img] Heroic resistance to keep Tambov linked with our lines... [img]https://i.imgur.com/DhEvIrO.jpg[/img] Situation is re established [img]https://i.imgur.com/YUQ6Ujr.jpg[/img] .. and South of Moscow... [img]https://i.imgur.com/heFOHky.jpg[/img]

chaos45 -> RE: July 1943 (12/2/2017 6:46:07 PM)
Looks like you really need to give 6th panzer div a week to refit and rest.

STEF78 -> RE: July 1943 (12/3/2017 8:08:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 Looks like you really need to give 6th panzer div a week to refit and rest. true! but Stelteck isn't cooperative ... and LAH, you see it on the Tambov screen close from the 6th pzd, will be sent back to Germany I noticed that a full week even on rail isn't enough to set the TOE back to 100%. I had near Stalingrad 2 pzk fighting intensively in june and july and they had to refit due to a strategical redeployment. They required 2 weeks to be back at full strength. And a bonus as we have some much fight areas. I forgot this one, West of Ryazan. [img]https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/935374stel110ryazan.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> July 1943 (12/4/2017 5:58:39 AM)
Turn 111, 29th july 1943 WWI continues in eastern Caucasus. I keep on counterattacking every time it's possible, despite losses. [img]https://i.imgur.com/Dp47Orv.jpg[/img] Another hot spot around lake Elton. Our forts are slowly decreasing [img]https://i.imgur.com/1cnGENW.jpg[/img] Heavy fights west of Saratov. In fact it will be soon faster to name quiet areas... [img]https://i.imgur.com/xTm4BFZ.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> July 1943 (12/4/2017 6:05:46 AM)
6 attacks were required to expell LAH from his defence line but Tambov's garrison is now surrounded... [img]https://i.imgur.com/ifmpqhd.jpg[/img] Strong counterattacks are organised to free the city [img]https://i.imgur.com/IrkPidb.jpg[/img] But losses are very heavy on both sides. Neither of us can afford such losses on the long term, but it's far worse for the axis side. [img]https://i.imgur.com/1oPVGiB.jpg[/img] same for airplanes [img]https://i.imgur.com/3IkYdDr.jpg[/img]

SparkleyTits -> RE: July 1943 (12/4/2017 7:00:39 AM)
I don't know the numbers for 43 but is 57 potential Axis fighters for 400 potential Soviet fighters acceptable at this stage? This has the feel of a much more controlled 43 compared to most typical AAR's but I imagine soon the crunch is going to start hitting you as it seems each turn the oven gets slightly hotter each week You're doing a great job holding so far forward though Stef good job!

Stelteck -> RE: July 1943 (12/4/2017 7:50:14 AM)
It is the famous turn where i lost more than 1000+ tanks. [:D] Still i regret nothing !!![:'(]

Telemecus -> RE: July 1943 (12/4/2017 11:21:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stelteck It is the famous turn where i lost more than 1000+ tanks. [:D] Still i regret nothing !!![:'(] If they are T34s from your viewpoint they are free!

STEF78 -> RE: July 1943 (12/4/2017 6:27:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits I don't know the numbers for 43 but is 57 potential Axis fighters for 400 potential Soviet fighters acceptable at this stage? You have to consider several factors: - production: in 1943 USSR produces roughly 600 airplanes per week (Stelteck will correct if I'm wrong). I will check the number for germany but it's around 60 fighters. - withdrawal: a lot of fighter units are sent back to Germany. As previously said, I have 9 fighter squads, most with 40, but 2 of them with 12. - damaged: even if the pool contains "new planes" we have also to deal with damanged planes. Some of my quadrons have 25 fighters available. - minor axis: italians were good but are gone, hungarians do the job, finns are in the north, romanians are ... over - dive bombers Stukas J87 are no longer efficient, FW190F production is minimal - level bombers are useless High intensity fights are in favor of the russians on the long term quote: This has the feel of a much more controlled 43 compared to most typical AAR's but I imagine soon the crunch is going to start hitting you as it seems each turn the oven gets slightly hotter each week Really hot indeed[:@] quote: You're doing a great job holding so far forward though Stef good job! thanks

Telemecus -> RE: July 1943 (12/4/2017 6:37:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 I have 9 fighter squads, most with 40, but 2 of them with 12. It is possible to turn twin engine fighter trained fighter bomber groups into single engine fighter groups by swaps via Me fighter bombers. So if you have a simple shortage of fighter groups (as opposed to airframes) and have not done that you may want to consider it.

HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: July 1943 (12/4/2017 6:43:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 quote: ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits I don't know the numbers for 43 but is 57 potential Axis fighters for 400 potential Soviet fighters acceptable at this stage? You have to consider several factors: - production: in 1943 USSR produces roughly 600 airplanes per week (Stelteck will correct if I'm wrong). I will check the number for germany but it's around 60 fighters. - withdrawal: a lot of fighter units are sent back to Germany. As previously said, I have 9 fighter squads, most with 40, but 2 of them with 12. - damaged: even if the pool contains "new planes" we have also to deal with damanged planes. Some of my quadrons have 25 fighters available. - minor axis: italians were good but are gone, hungarians do the job, finns are in the north, romanians are ... over - dive bombers Stukas J87 are no longer efficient, FW190F production is minimal - level bombers are useless High intensity fights are in favor of the russians on the long term quote: This has the feel of a much more controlled 43 compared to most typical AAR's but I imagine soon the crunch is going to start hitting you as it seems each turn the oven gets slightly hotter each week Really hot indeed[:@] quote: You're doing a great job holding so far forward though Stef good job! thanks You should have a nice pool of fighters built up as reserves though. You should be able to contest 1 area pretty nicely ;-)

Stelteck -> RE: July 1943 (12/5/2017 4:53:20 PM)
A normal turn of looses in the end summer 1943. No unit surrended, only combat and attrition. Only 1000 tanks lost soviet side. [image]https://tof.cx/images/2017/12/05/e3d6294f395d519eb264869d30f3175a.jpg[/image]

Telemecus -> RE: July 1943 (12/5/2017 4:54:57 PM)
mostly T34 - if you are right that they would be piling up in your pool otherwise they in effect count as zero

STEF78 -> RE: July 1943 (12/7/2017 7:08:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain ...You should have a nice pool of fighters built up as reserves though. You should be able to contest 1 area pretty nicely ;-)... I checked my fighter's production. The losses aren't an issue as I don't remind a week when german lost more than 80 figters. [img]https://i.imgur.com/Bz29gQ2.jpg[/img] But I have only 10 fighter's groups. 2 of them with 12 and 4 fighters [img]https://i.imgur.com/zXzNqqD.jpg[/img] There are also some night fighters groups but they are far less efficient [img]https://i.imgur.com/j5ZmMEE.jpg[/img]

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