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STEF78 -> February 1942 (7/9/2017 7:03:10 AM)

Turn 37, 26th february 1942

Last week of february and last week of nasty +1!

In the north the finns are already on the offensive

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Ph9vd3H.jpg[/img]

Near Moscow, we are checking fuel, ammo etc... in case of better weather next week

[img]https://i.imgur.com/IHPhfDB.jpg[/img]

In the South, the cowards are fleeing in order to protect iced rivers...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/uesucBn.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> March 1942 (7/11/2017 9:35:40 PM)

Turrn 38, 5th march 1942

Blizzard is over! Time to resume offensive. Heavy battles occur.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/4tq0Y5x.jpg[/img]

North

We engage inf units in order to reduce the bulge

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Pk1WQp8.jpg[/img]Moscow

2 assaults are requuired to breach russian front line South of Moscow. Northern pincer Under LVIth Pzk won't be able to advance further.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/lPTNCGU.jpg[/img]South

We failed to cross the Don east of Rostov

[img]https://i.imgur.com/GWHfiy2.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> March 1942 (7/12/2017 7:46:56 PM)

Turn 39, 12th march 1942

My goals for march 1942 are now clear for Stelteck.

We are facing strong russian couternattacks South of Moscow. my units suffer heavy losses but I need to take the city as soon as possible in order to use my Pzk in more useful areas.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/v5eTZZL.jpg[/img]

This week is used to widen the hole in the russian lines. Supplies will reach easily spearhead units. Very surprised to see a fontline unit under Stavka contral. I guess Stelteck is short of AP's [:D]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/082qiAh.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> March 1942 (7/12/2017 7:53:17 PM)

In the South, same story:

Some russian counterattacks

[img]https://i.imgur.com/nUG8uRS.jpg[/img]

And I progressively clear the northern bank of the Don

[img]https://i.imgur.com/inyMeIm.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> March 1942 (7/12/2017 7:55:20 PM)

near Voronejh, the russians are looking from something....

[img]https://i.imgur.com/iQ51ISo.jpg[/img]



Stelteck -> RE: March 1942 (7/12/2017 9:01:27 PM)

At this moment, Stavka ordered 2 shock armies to head to moscow with reserve elite troops in order to keep the city at least until mud.

I'am always low of AP of course. When the hex will be crushed whatever the defense, i do not always optimize the chain of command as it will not save them.



STEF78 -> Battle for Moscow! (7/14/2017 8:13:00 PM)

Turn 40, 19th march 1942

Fierce battle South of Moscow. Our brave soldiers give some ground after suffering multiple waves of russian attacks

[img]https://i.imgur.com/nVC9HkR.jpg[/img]

Now we have all the strength available to counterattack and complete encirclement of Moscow. With some luck for the last fight [;)]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/fexf5Bh.jpg[/img]

In the South, the Don is crossed!!

[[img]https://i.imgur.com/wnddU8a.jpg[/img]

And the OOB

[img]https://i.imgur.com/iSSTnk6.jpg[/img]



Stelteck -> RE: Battle for Moscow! (7/14/2017 10:25:33 PM)

Moscow was encercled despite the arrival of cavalry corps and guard rifle divisions. Sad.

I was hoping to keep the town supplied until mud.



STEF78 -> Last week of snow (7/15/2017 8:47:27 PM)

Turn 41, 26th march 1942

Desesperate attempt of the russian hordes to break the ring around Moscow. Heroic defense of 41th Pzk!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ihNv055.jpg[/img]

Cav corps are on the offensive in the Donets bend. Nothing worrying.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/NpnfA5k.jpg[/img]

Situation is easily restablished. Russian army isn't an issue in match 1942.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/eTdiAYw.jpg[/img]

In the center we have reached Voronejh

[img]https://i.imgur.com/HwaBJGY.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> March 1942 (7/16/2017 9:27:05 PM)

I didn't try to take Moscow during the last week of march 1942. A 71 CV in heavy urban seems to me too difficult. I will wait till may.

A view of the losses during this week

[img]https://i.imgur.com/OmOD0Lh.jpg[/img]

And air losses

[img]https://i.imgur.com/WkFICCm.jpg[/img]

And victory conditions as we sre playing bitter end.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/aODBVyy.jpg[/img]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Battle for Moscow! (7/16/2017 10:08:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Stelteck

Moscow was encercled despite the arrival of cavalry corps and guard rifle divisions. Sad.

I was hoping to keep the town supplied until mud.


I "NEVER" defend key hexes with calvary, even Cav Corps. Plus they were more than likely fatigued a bit arriving in the hex from movement.



Stelteck -> RE: Battle for Moscow! (7/17/2017 7:14:42 AM)

Cavalry men are snob [:D]




STEF78 -> RE: Battle for Moscow! (7/17/2017 10:01:01 AM)

I would it have done the same way than Stelteck. He got a 700 MCV which is very strong at this stage of the war.



STEF78 -> Some thoughts about the game (7/17/2017 7:48:42 PM)

Mud will make the game quiet during some weeks. Time to have a look on the first monthes of the campaign.

1) I always pay for the 4 turns lost in summer 1941 due to partisan activity. Without that I would have taken Moscow in november and March would have seen more ambitious operations.

2) Stelteck doesn't defend everywhere and is focused on key areas. He doesn't give ground easily. It's a good strategy but difficult to handle in summer 1942 when Pzk's get full mobility back.

3) Stelteck is using efficiently his AP's. Attacks are well coordinated. Cav corps were created as soon as possible.

4) Moscow is taken and will not be lost before end 1943. Good point.

5) Crimea is still in russian hands. Is it worth to attack it directly? Time will tell.

6) We are playing "Bitter end". So I have 2 strategies for summer 1942: Taking all the cities on the list (Voronejh, Sevastopol, Rostov, Stalingrad....). Baku cannot be taken unless the soviet player makes major mistakes, or destroying as much russian units as possible. On the long term, the second strategy is the best one.

7) And this point is for HardLuckYetAgain [;)], +1 is fun to play!





Stelteck -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 9:05:45 AM)

Thanks Stephane, the game is really interesting and fun.

I was quite lucky with the partisan rampage during 1941, but i would probably be in really bad shape without it, and it created a really fun and intense battle of moscow. Thanks partisans. Maybe 4 turns of partisan madness shall be mandatory in all games [:'(]

Now end spring 1942 is the most dangerous time ever for the soviet.
First, it is mind crushing, i have more than 600/700 units to move and manage each turn. So many (bad) units [X(] . I also prevent myself to merge rifle and airbone brigade into division because i need tons of units to handle second line fortification. So even more units.
If i have to do gross mistakes, it will probably be now.

Second, german troops are always very strong, are well supplied and now i have so much things and troops to loose. I'am preparing myself to a lot of bad news in this summer 1942. The good news is that if my army is smaller it will be easier to manage [:'(]



STEF78 -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 10:54:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Stelteck

Thanks Stephane, the game is really interesting and fun.

+1

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I was quite lucky with the partisan rampage during 1941, but i would probably be in really bad shape without it, and it created a really fun and intense battle of moscow. Thanks partisans. Maybe 4 turns of partisan madness shall be mandatory in all games [:'(]

Your plans for the blizzard were too ambitious (the pincer around Moscow) but it gave effectively and intense and fun battle.

quote:


Now end spring 1942 is the most dangerous time ever for the soviet.
First, it is mind crushing, i have more than 600/700 units to move and manage each turn. So many (bad) units [X(] . I also prevent myself to merge rifle and airbone brigade into division because i need tons of units to handle second line fortification. So even more units.
If i have to do gross mistakes, it will probably be now.

You're right, even a bad rifle inf have a ZOC, even a week rifle brigade can be used to build forts in the rear.

quote:


Second, german troops are always very strong, are well supplied and now i have so much things and troops to loose. I'am preparing myself to a lot of bad news in this summer 1942. The good news is that if my army is smaller it will be easier to manage [:'(]

Summer 1942 is difficult for the russian player but even if you suffer heavy losses, you will be on the offensive from end 1942/mid 1943. It will only depend on our relative skill.



Stelteck -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 11:47:03 AM)

You are right my winter offensive was far too ambitious. I tried to achieve strategic result during the winter and was very reluctant to attack in insignificant area.
In fact i realize the blizzard is more a way to build guard units and cause some damage than changing the course of the war. I was willing to defend moscow but it was not really possible.

Maybe i should have sent my cavalry in weak part of the front like in front of Voronev. But i'am sūre you had some reserve just in case [8D]




chaos45 -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 11:55:24 AM)

game is looking interesting, think the Germans have a solid edge going into 1942 campaign season as they already have some very advanced positions to start from.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 12:07:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78


7) And this point is for HardLuckYetAgain [;)], +1 is fun to play!





You are welcome Stef :)


I hope to soon have the Soviet side of the story of defending both Leningrad and Moscow using my Soviet strategy. (the forums conventional wisdom has been to give up Leningrad easily doing a fighting withdrawl, I don't. I make people fight for Leningrad starting "One hex West of Pskov") I currently have 5 games as the Soviets still in progress with 11 already completed using this strategy (A total of 16 total games in all) 14 of those games have progressed the same way with 2 of the games in progress too early to tell(only turn 1 & 2 at the moment on these two games)



Stelteck -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 12:16:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
I hope to soon have the Soviet side of the story of defending both Leningrad and Moscow using my Soviet strategy. (the forums conventional wisdom has been to give up Leningrad easily doing a fighting withdrawl, I don't. I make people fight for Leningrad starting "One hex West of Pskov") I currently have 5 games as the Soviets still in progress with 11 already completed using this strategy (A total of 16 total games in all) 14 of those games have progressed the same way with 2 of the games in progress too early to tell(only turn 1 & 2 at the moment on these two games)


If i remember well our game, as german you completely ignored and bypass Pskov rushing straight to moscow.

Did you tried your new defensive soviet strategy ... against yourself ? [:D] [:'(]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 12:20:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

You are right my winter offensive was far too ambitious. I tried to achieve strategic result during the winter and was very reluctant to attack in insignificant area.
In fact i realize the blizzard is more a way to build guard units and cause some damage than changing the course of the war. I was willing to defend moscow but it was not really possible.

Maybe i should have sent my cavalry in weak part of the front like in front of Voronev. But i'am sūre you had some reserve just in case [8D]




I'm curious Stelteck, what did you build during the winter preparing for the coming German offense in the Spring? Both normal units and support units.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 12:25:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
I hope to soon have the Soviet side of the story of defending both Leningrad and Moscow using my Soviet strategy. (the forums conventional wisdom has been to give up Leningrad easily doing a fighting withdrawl, I don't. I make people fight for Leningrad starting "One hex West of Pskov") I currently have 5 games as the Soviets still in progress with 11 already completed using this strategy (A total of 16 total games in all) 14 of those games have progressed the same way with 2 of the games in progress too early to tell(only turn 1 & 2 at the moment on these two games)


If i remember well our game, as german you completely ignored and bypass Pskov rushing straight to moscow.

Did you tried your new defensive soviet strategy ... against yourself ? [:D] [:'(]



Bypassed Pskov til turn 6 when units from the south cut it off in our game. But no I havent played myself, Im afraid to loose on one side or the other and I don't like loosing ;-P



M60A3TTS -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 1:47:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78


7) And this point is for HardLuckYetAgain [;)], +1 is fun to play!





You are welcome Stef :)

I hope to soon have the Soviet side of the story of defending both Leningrad and Moscow using my Soviet strategy.


There's an old Wendy's commercial with the then famous line, "where's the beef?"

We're still waiting.




Dinglir -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 2:07:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
I hope to soon have the Soviet side of the story of defending both Leningrad and Moscow using my Soviet strategy.


I can not tell you how much I would love to be the one to ruin your little statistic :-)



Stelteck -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 2:33:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
I'm curious Stelteck, what did you build during the winter preparing for the coming German offense in the Spring? Both normal units and support units.


I did not think i did something special.

I created support units (mostly sapper regiment, AT regiment, PVO AA regiment, rocket regiment) but as there is little feedback of the support units efficiency, i do not really know if it is worth it.

I'am disappointed by sappers regiments in army HQ so i'am removing them currently to put them in corps. They do not dig in army HQ and are useless during battle to inflict looses to the ennemy, although they have some CV.
I created some tank bataillon, but it was a bad idea in 1941 because they need mostly light tanks and i had no light tanks. They are only beginning to be usefull now in 1942 with T-70/T-60.

I created some rifle brigades. Tried cavalry division but 65 points the cavalry corps is currently too expensive for me. Maybe later when it will worth 35 points.

Not much creation as i do not have a lots of spare AP points. i'am trying to have good chain of command with no overloading and it cost me a lots of AP especially on offensive.

I had some army HQ who did 3* (6 to 9) divisions attack with zero overloading in the same turn.

I also created 40 UVS Airsquad, because i had no IL-2 production in 1941 due to heroic factory transfert of the IL-2 plants, so the UVS was my main tactical bomber in 1941.




HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 2:53:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78


7) And this point is for HardLuckYetAgain [;)], +1 is fun to play!





You are welcome Stef :)

I hope to soon have the Soviet side of the story of defending both Leningrad and Moscow using my Soviet strategy.


There's an old Wendy's commercial with the then famous line, "where's the beef?"

We're still waiting.




I know :( I took on more games & I apologize for that. You just have to be patient.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 2:58:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dinglir


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
I hope to soon have the Soviet side of the story of defending both Leningrad and Moscow using my Soviet strategy.


I can not tell you how much I would love to be the one to ruin your little statistic :-)


I'm sure someone will & I hope that someone is you ;-)

I love trying different things to see what works and what doesnt. If what I try doesnt work I try something else. I chalk it up as a learning experience.




Stelteck -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 6:45:49 PM)

Secret data from soviet side :

The most important tank of the war is... THE T-26 !!!! [:D]

Still used in 20 units. And the tanks i'am lacking the most is the light tanks, because all TOE use them and need tons of them.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Steph/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-07-16%2015.59.34.jpg[/image]

And the most useless tank massive production is..... The T-34. I do not have enough TOE to use them, even if i try to built new units. (Tank units use mostly light tanks until middle 1942, and still a lot of light tanks until end 1943 [:@])
I evacuated the T-34 factory of karkov intact for no real reason... [:(]

Because of this, the only important land lease is the M3 stuart. All others are useless.
Matilda II should be considered as heavy tank instead of medium. It was really a heavyweight.
Valentine III would be very good... as light tank instead of medium. It was a lightweight tank.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Steph/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-07-17%2022.36.47.jpg[/image]

In the air, the most important fighter plane is ... Who care they all do the job and lend lease provide very good planes too.
In fact the most important plane is the IL-2 tactical bomber, and i had no production in 1941 because i wrongly choose to evacuate the T-34 factory of karkov instead of the IL-2 factory.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Steph/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-07-17%2022.36.16.jpg[/image]

Total production : AA and HI perfect. Could have lost some more. In the current state of the game, the main limitation is always manpower every date, and in 1941 light tanks and tactical bombers.

[image]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64073834/WITE%20Steph/Capture%20d%27%C3%A9cran%202017-07-17%2022.34.29.jpg[/image]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 6:57:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

Secret data from soviet side :

I evacuated the T-34 factory of karkov intact for no real reason... [:(]



9 times out of 10 I evacuate just one point of this factory because by the time you need full capacity it should be back up to full strength in production.



Crackaces -> RE: Some thoughts about the game (7/18/2017 7:20:39 PM)

quote:

Matilda II should be considered as heavy tank instead of medium. It was really a heavyweight. Valentine III would be very good... as light tank instead of medium. It was a lightweight tank.


I might say that the Matilda II was heavily armored but sported a 2 lb main gun. When I think of "heavy tanks" I think bigger guns too -- 76mm and greater ..
Thus maybe the compromise of medium [8D]



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