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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/12/2019 2:06:25 PM)

I wonder if one of the Oscars bounced from one ship to another. Given that and the Takao results I suspect Tokyo Rose is taking over the combat reporting. :)



BBfanboy -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/12/2019 5:45:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: John B.

I wonder if one of the Oscars bounced from one ship to another. Given that and the Takao results I suspect Tokyo Rose is taking over the combat reporting. :)

Of the 13 kamikaze hits that DD Laffey took, a fair number were glancing blows that clipped a mast or dinged a rail with a wingtip. It is conceivable that if another ship were nearby the aircraft could have blundered into it as well.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/12/2019 6:18:37 PM)

I figure if there is no damage or fires reported it was more of a wing clip than an actual hit.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/15/2019 12:02:07 PM)

Assault on Manila!!! On the downside I took more losses than Scott, but not by much, but very much on the upside he failed to reduce the level 9 forts! And he took a whole lot of disruptions so it will be a few turns before he tries that again. I do have a lot of fire power in the hex (artillery value more than 550) so I'm surprised that his actual losses were not higher but still this is a pretty good result.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/15/2019 12:04:54 PM)

And Scott also struck me at Clark Field. Here he took heavier losses. I don't have much artillery here at all but I do have a lot of AT guns and a large part of Scott's attack force is tanks so that's what helped push the totals higher. All is all, our losses in the two battles were almost exactly equal (according to fog of war) which is a 2-1 advantage VP wise for me. The overall supply levels between clark and Manila are at about 155,000. And, the airlift from Taiwan has resumed bringing in 230 or so per turn to help limit the drain.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/15/2019 12:06:10 PM)

The troops in Manila came off very well from the attack. Here is one of the divisions. It's going to take Scott a long time to dig these boys out.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/15/2019 12:07:40 PM)

I've turn off all replacements and upgrades for the Manila/Clark units. I don't want to waste the supply on those sorts of things. I'm not sure how much supply it actually burns but I do need Manila to hold out for a long time!



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/15/2019 12:09:24 PM)

Meanwhile, the KB has made it past Taiwan. I may send it to Yokahama as there is a bunch of refitting that needs to be done and Nagasaki is already in B-29 range. I don't have a lot of fuel anyway so I think that makes the most sense. Right now they just have to avoid the swarms of subs that are trying to get in a lucky shot.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/15/2019 11:10:52 PM)

It's the last turn of July 1944 and the KB is one step closer to Kyushu. No real naval action last night except that 4 US DD ignored 195 mines at Takao to sink a DD, a PB and an E.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/15/2019 11:12:14 PM)

Over the skies of Takao there was a lot of dog fighting. It looks like I suffered a bit less than 2-1 losses with lots of Corsairs knocked out. No bombs on my transports this time, but I'm sure that's next on the agenda. I'll keep flying supplies out of here as long as I can.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/15/2019 11:15:19 PM)

My Manila bombardment. I'm going to do this for one more turn then shut down my bombardment. That will save me lots of supply I hope. And, since I've been shooting down 1-4 planes per turn my supply garners more VP if I save it and can shoot AA for longer. I'm not actually sure how to figure how much supply I'll save but it must be something.

BTW, Scott and I have been discussing the victory conditions. He is of the opinion that if he wins by December 31, 1945 he wins the game. But, I remember seeing a long post from Albert with the position that the Japanese win if they hold out to the end of August 1945. Anyone know the answer to that?

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/17/2019 10:31:32 PM)

So we bounce into August 1944 with Scott staging massive air raids on Takao. The sweeps worked a little bit in my favor in that the heavy bombers went in before all the sweeps were done so Scott lost about 10 heavies (including 9 B-29s). But, he shut down the airfield and the main resupply line to Manila. It was bound to happen, my only regred are all the damaged planes on the runway that he can now blow up at his leisure.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/17/2019 10:41:24 PM)

Here is the Taiwan/Philippines map. As you can see, the CV Cloud is just off the coast of Taiwan. Not much I can do about it, so I grin and bear it.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/17/2019 10:42:51 PM)

The Burma front is at an absolute standstill. I'm sure Scott expects that I'll retreat from Moulmein one of these days or that he'll cut me off by landing in Indochina so he does not want to commit to taking losses by crossing the river. He might be right but there is no sense in freeing him up early.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/17/2019 10:43:29 PM)

And finally, the monthly resources screen.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/17/2019 10:51:54 PM)

So, comparing where things stand, Scott picked up 6,200 VP in July and I picked up 129. Not great, but he also captured Singapore and Rangoon this time giving him 3,630 and costing me 780 VP. So, taking out the facts I don't like (my lost cities :)) he's causing losses at about 2.5-1. Enough to win but I'm not sure if that's going to be enough for him to bridge the 20,000 VP gap to pull even and then go ahead by another 61,000 or so. We shall see. He will pick up a lot from Manila/Clark Field but he's going to have to take cities in China and/or the HI to win this puppy.

Resource-wise the sharp supply drop and minor fuel drop were due in large part to my experiment with shutting down some HI. I really don't see me needing a lot more HI points so basically I'm burning fuel to make supply.

Really, if any JFB has any insight as to how things look I'd really like to hear it!



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 12:02:33 PM)

August 3rd and the KB is snug at Yokohama (which reminds me of the song "I'm a cranky old yank in a clankety old tank on the streets of Yokohama") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrI-y77Pz5E

The KB is undergoing a long delayed upgrade cycle currently out of range of allied B-29s.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 12:04:45 PM)

In the meantime, Scott launched another direct assault on Clark Field. It's clearly about to go under so I'm trying to pull out the AA guns, AT guns and support personnel as fast as possible. There is too much excess supply sitting in clark and even with stockpile on as well as maximum supply directed to Manila there is still 19K supply at Clark. Let's hope returning units bring some of that along.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 12:07:59 PM)

But, here is something that is so odd that it makes me wonder. I did not bombard at Manila to conserve supply. The allies bombarded and this wacky result came up. It seems almost impossible to believe that he lost 190 or so squads and devices to a countrbombardment. [X(] If it's true (or even close to true) the dice gods must have been in my favor for that roll!!

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GetAssista -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 12:19:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John B.
But, here is something that is so odd that it makes me wonder. I did not bombard at Manila to conserve supply. The allies bombarded and this wacky result came up. It seems almost impossible to believe that he lost 190 or so squads and devices to a countrbombardment. [X(] If it's true (or even close to true) the dice gods must have been in my favor for that roll!!

That's more in line with what I usually see smashing myself against 9 forts.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 12:27:38 PM)

GetAssista, It would make sense to me if Scott had attacked with something rather than bombard (he told me last night he did not). but hey, I'll take it. :)



BBfanboy -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 5:33:04 PM)

You must have a huge number of heavy guns like the 280 mm and 350 mm size, plus got a great die roll at Manila.



Gridley380 -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 7:04:13 PM)

Are the 18 SS in Yokohama undergoing refit as well? Seems like they should be out hunting.



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 7:42:14 PM)

BBfanboy, I have 8 320 mm, 4 300 mm, 12 280 mm, 32 240 mm and at least 41 150mm. I'm not counting all of the 100 mm or 75 mm in the infantry units that are there. Each of my artillery has experience greater than 65, no disruption and 95+ morale. I'm not sure if that's a lot of big guns but even if it is that's a lot of dead americans from one turn of counter bombardment (over the past 35 turns or so my high kill in any single turn had been 28 or so squads/devices).



Gridley380 -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 7:49:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: John B.

BBfanboy, I have 8 320 mm, 4 300 mm, 12 280 mm, 32 240 mm and at least 41 150mm.


EEP! I'm not familiar with historical Japanese heavy artillery, but in the PTO the US Army's super-heavy artillery peaked at 5 battalions of 240mm howitzers (6 tubes each) and one of 8" guns (6 tubes). You've got half again that many super-heavy tubes and something like twice that firepower in ONE HEX!??!



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 8:11:59 PM)

Gridley, The subs are undergoing refit. I've held them there for a couple of months so that they can get their radars so the shipyard is a big clogged up right now, but it has the advantage of being out of range of his bombers.

The plan all along has been to pack as much into Manila as I reasonably could recognizing that in a few months it will all be dead. I have not been overwhelmed by how well this firepower has done thus far. About an average of 10=12 squads/devices per turn and in the one deliberate attack where I have level 9 forts I lost more than Scott in raw numbers (but not in VP). That's why this turns massacre was such a surprise. Let's hope it bodes well for future bombardments. :)



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 8:19:07 PM)

Here are Scott's units in Manila. I count 13 artillery battalions and six regiments plus 8 full strength US divisions. The total gun count that I get from him is just shy of 2,000. Needless to say, there is not much of Manila that is still standing.

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John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 8:19:36 PM)

Second part of his units in Manila.

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Gridley380 -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 8:50:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: John B.

Here are Scott's units in Manila. I count 13 artillery battalions and six regiments plus 8 full strength US divisions. The total gun count that I get from him is just shy of 2,000. Needless to say, there is not much of Manila that is still standing.



Hmm. Seem to recall the game is light on US FA, but 13 battalions plus that fragment of "XI Corps Artillery" (assuming that's a battalion equivalent or two) is REALLY light. FYI, I believe those "medium regiments" are commonwealth FA battalion-equivalents, so they're adding to the gun count. Also interesting that there's a bunch of Marine FA but no Marine infantry (outside the handful of squads in the Defense Battalions).

Anyway, all the USMC artillery tops out at 155mm guns and all the division artillery at 155mm howitzers, so most of those tubes are light to medium (OK, Long Toms are "heavy"). So if you've got an appropriate supporting cast behind all those superheavies you listed you have a huge artillery advantage.

Thanks for satisfying my curiosity on the subs. :-)



John B. -> RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) (7/19/2019 9:15:34 PM)

No problem! And, because it's a slow Friday afternoon, here is the rest of the IJN artillery in Manila (almost all of it in the infantry divisions). 70 mm T92 156, 75 mm Infantry guns 59, 75 mm T90 72, 75 mm T94 71, 90 mm mortar 9, 100 mm T91 36, 150 mm T96 21.

He has the 1st marine division and an airborne division in Clark Field. I'm sure the marines have a large artillery component but I would think that the airborne has lighter guns. In Clark Field I have nothing more than a brigade and a regiment and some odds and ends so a few 75 mm guns and not much more.



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