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Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/26/2017 2:13:22 PM)

11 Army and the Rumanians begin making attacks; the South is not quite so quiet now, eh?

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Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/26/2017 2:20:22 PM)

Losses end of Axis Turn 10. Soviet airstrikes are affecting Morale and MPs somewhat. Yet, Halder's Win-Loss ratio is still 81%.



Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/26/2017 2:23:05 PM)

Turn 10 Axis air losses; heavier this week largely because of all of the offensive airstrikes all along the front.

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Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/26/2017 2:27:16 PM)

Here is the state of the German fighter force at the start of Axis Turn 10. I have not been sending air groups to the NR frequently enough- I know that now, still learning. Soviet air activity has been so intense I did not want to lessen my air defenses and this is the result.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 1:33:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Twigster

Here is the state of the German fighter force at the start of Axis Turn 10. I have not been sending air groups to the NR frequently enough- I know that now, still learning. Soviet air activity has been so intense I did not want to lessen my air defenses and this is the result.



That is the crux thinking you have to keep air defense constant and over everything. You don't, you do have to choose and the first choice is protecting your fighters from destruction. That has to be the first establishment then you can branch out. You can look at what I posted in Tyronec's AAR and maybe it will help you(I don't guarantee it at this stage) But your game and Tyronec's game is going to be an uphill battle to recover imho since I normally start on turn one getting my German Air Force in order. You and Tyronec are starting in later turns. Good luck.



Crackaces -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 4:00:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Twigster

Here is the state of the German fighter force at the start of Axis Turn 10. I have not been sending air groups to the NR frequently enough- I know that now, still learning. Soviet air activity has been so intense I did not want to lessen my air defenses and this is the result.

[image]local://upfiles/50891/342DE417BD824C28BC4926B1AAC65380.jpg[/image]


Go look at the withdrawals .. JG54 is going west soon do you really want to lose those F2's? or would E3's be a better frame withdrawn?
On that strategy .. I have learned to manually replace the E3's sooner at the cost of AP's and burn those frames up ..



Telemecus -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 4:35:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Crackaces


quote:

ORIGINAL: Twigster

Here is the state of the German fighter force at the start of Axis Turn 10. I have not been sending air groups to the NR frequently enough- I know that now, still learning. Soviet air activity has been so intense I did not want to lessen my air defenses and this is the result.

[image]local://upfiles/50891/342DE417BD824C28BC4926B1AAC65380.jpg[/image]


Go look at the withdrawals .. JG54 is going west soon do you really want to lose those F2's? or would E3's be a better frame withdrawn?
On that strategy .. I have learned to manually replace the E3's sooner at the cost of AP's and burn those frames up ..


You may also want to turn off replacements to withdrawing groups - why put extra planes in to air groups just to see them leave.

I can see you turned upgrades to manual - but perhaps too late to stop your frozen rear area air groups upgrading to F4s. It is worth managing which airgroups get replacements as well. Only leave airgroups that you do want to upgrade or get replacements with that option.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 4:41:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus


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ORIGINAL: Crackaces


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ORIGINAL: Twigster

Here is the state of the German fighter force at the start of Axis Turn 10. I have not been sending air groups to the NR frequently enough- I know that now, still learning. Soviet air activity has been so intense I did not want to lessen my air defenses and this is the result.

[image]local://upfiles/50891/342DE417BD824C28BC4926B1AAC65380.jpg[/image]


Go look at the withdrawals .. JG54 is going west soon do you really want to lose those F2's? or would E3's be a better frame withdrawn?
On that strategy .. I have learned to manually replace the E3's sooner at the cost of AP's and burn those frames up ..


You may also want to turn off replacements to withdrawing groups - why put extra planes in to air groups just to see them leave.

I can see you turned upgrades to manual - but perhaps too late to stop your frozen rear area air groups upgrading to F4s. It is worth managing which airgroups get replacements as well. Only leave airgroups that you do want to upgrade or get replacements with that option.



+1 !!! Excellent advice :)



thedoctorking -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 7:01:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Twigster

Here is the state of the German fighter force at the start of Axis Turn 10. I have not been sending air groups to the NR frequently enough- I know that now, still learning. Soviet air activity has been so intense I did not want to lessen my air defenses and this is the result.

[image]local://upfiles/50891/342DE417BD824C28BC4926B1AAC65380.jpg[/image]

Fatigue levels not as high as I thought they would be. I have the habit of sending guys back to reserve if fatigue goes over 25 or morale falls below 40 (for the USSR).



Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 7:13:40 PM)

Thanks for all of the input/info acquired wisdom everyone. This conversation on airpower in the game is really very interesting and I'm glad it is happening because I am picking up a LOT. I had begun combing past Forum posts on the topic but stopped because I worry about picking up advice/habits that may no longer hold due to patch changes.

However, I am beginning to accrue a sense of impending doom feeling in regards to the fighter force.. is it actually too late to turn around? Its that serious? Anyway, whether it actually is or not, I will be drastically overhauling how I handle the air forces.



Telemecus -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 7:16:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Twigster
is it actually too late to turn around?


Absolutely not - and I mean that in the strongest sense looking above. You have by no means crossed any no return line or even come close to one. Worst case is you lose a turn of air cover while fatigue gets rubbed out. And even that is an extreme measure. It is just a case of do whats best from now on.



Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 7:22:42 PM)

OK! Well... turns just got a little bit longer, which is totally worth it of course.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 7:31:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

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ORIGINAL: Twigster
is it actually too late to turn around?


Absolutely not - and I mean that in the strongest sense looking above. You have by no means crossed any no return line or even come close to one. Worst case is you lose a turn of air cover while fatigue gets rubbed out. And even that is an extreme measure. It is just a case of do whats best from now on.



Concur with Telemecus here :)



thedoctorking -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 8:44:09 PM)

From my perspective, I feel good about my air situation but not out of danger. That won't be until next year at the earliest.



thedoctorking -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 8:48:31 PM)

German turn ten saw a continuation of the previous turn’s offensive in the northern front. German armor cut off the city of Leningrad from the land side. I expect a big push from the Germans to clear the far side of Lake Ladoga. They will have to cross the Volkhov River, a major obstacle. I am going to do everything I can to prevent that and keep supplies moving to force them into the expensive street fighting they apparently hope to prevent. The German air force is a little more active up here, but I still feel that I am making good progress towards gaining air parity.

There was the beginnings of a small offensive east of Velikie Luki. I think the terrain there will keep German advances to a minimum, but obviously he is trying to keep me from sending too much power up to the north.


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thedoctorking -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 8:49:18 PM)

In the center, a small German armored force has been sitting around the railhead for two turns now. At first I thought they might be entraining for the southern front, but now I think they are refitting and building up for an offensive move. German armor continues to push for Bryansk, a little more aggressively now as I was able to cut off one Panzer Division. Western Front has been taking the brunt of the German push so far, and I am waiting for the NKVD to shoot the commander and save me the 14 AP necessary to replace him.



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thedoctorking -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/27/2017 8:50:17 PM)

In the south, German tanks turn away from Kiev (as do Soviet ones) and begin a push to the southeast. It looks like their objective is a crossing the Dnepr at or near Cherkassy, with exploitation to the south. I hold two hilltop positions that are two hexes apart, constricting their salient and hopefully reducing movement points of units that have to go past. Farther south, six Romanian infantry units jumped into a push between the two river lines and managed to get themselves pocketed. This might be or have been an intended second thrust leading to a pocket of my front-line guys, as the southern front is not so well-defended as the center. Most of those factories are gone, anyway.



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Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 12:11:30 AM)

Axis Turn 11.

With all enemy resistance eliminated west of the Volkhov line (outside of cut-off Leningrad), 4PG, 16 and 18 Armies mass along the west bank of the river. The river line is actually breached on the southernmost point of the line, with two divisions clinging to a beachhead. There were attacks by the Finns in the north but these were easily repulsed by the enemy.

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Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 12:15:23 AM)

A view of the front from south of Lake Ilmen to north of Smolensk. Some minor, probing attacks occur along this stretch of the line.

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Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 12:37:30 AM)

AGC

Major attacks along an 80-mile stretch of front extending from about 60 miles south-est of Smolensk, culminating in a 20 mile-wide penetration through the dense enemy defense line to a point some 50 miles south-west of Vyazma (embarrassingly, I don't have a screenshot of this area). Pictured in the south, 2 Army finally makes contact with MLR on the eastern fringe of the Marshes.

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Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 12:47:29 AM)

AGS.

Another area of intense activity as 1PG penetrates southward into the rear of the Soviet defense line south of Kiev. (Kiev itself is ringed for the moment, though a couple of attacks against it's outer defense line are conducted as 6 Army prepares to for the street-to-street fighting to come). 11 Army joins 1PG's attack from the west, leading to the collapse of part of the Soviet line. German armor rolls into and through Kirovograd but is needed elsewhere by the end of the week.

The Luftwaffe was held back from any kind of large-scale serious offensive action this week, reeling from the sustained, intense attacks by the Soviet air forces. Still, some ground support missions were conducted. The strain on the fighters is becoming all-too obvious.

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Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 12:52:25 AM)

Axis Turn 11 ground losses.

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Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 12:54:18 AM)

And air losses.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 1:06:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Twigster

AGS.

Another area of intense activity as 1PG penetrates southward into the rear of the Soviet defense line south of Kiev. (Kiev itself is ringed for the moment, though a couple of attacks against it's outer defense line are conducted as 6 Army prepares to for the street-to-street fighting to come). 11 Army joins 1PG's attack from the west, leading to the collapse of part of the Soviet line. German armor rolls into and through Kirovograd but is needed elsewhere by the end of the week.

The Luftwaffe was held back from any kind of large-scale serious offensive action this week, reeling from the sustained, intense attacks by the Soviet air forces. Still, some ground support missions were conducted. The strain on the fighters is becoming all-too obvious.

[image]local://upfiles/50891/125D9E5CE1334B58AA933EDC6D340BEB.jpg[/image]



South is looking better :-)



Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 1:26:46 AM)

[8D]

It has taken some time to get here, but the boots-on-the-ground perspective is that the Soviet line is definitely weakening. And now that I have some breakthroughs and am behind his fortified line in places, it seems that there is simply too much area for the Reds to cover effectively. Which leads to two of my favorite paraphrases in military history: "fight them where they ain't" and "one who tries to defend everything defends nothing".



SparkleyTits -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 1:45:21 AM)

When I saw Doctorkings last southern post I was hoping you were going to do something like that :)

You can now roll back his entire southern front now if you keep hold of the initiative without allowing it to turn into a drawn out death struggle

Good job in the south man that is gonna make a nice difference!



Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 6:08:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

When I saw Doctorkings last southern post I was hoping you were going to do something like that :)

You can now roll back his entire southern front now if you keep hold of the initiative without allowing it to turn into a drawn out death struggle

Good job in the south man that is gonna make a nice difference!


[;)]



Zecke -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 6:40:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Twigster

AGS.

Another area of intense activity as 1PG penetrates southward into the rear of the Soviet defense line south of Kiev. (Kiev itself is ringed for the moment, though a couple of attacks against it's outer defense line are conducted as 6 Army prepares to for the street-to-street fighting to come). 11 Army joins 1PG's attack from the west, leading to the collapse of part of the Soviet line. German armor rolls into and through Kirovograd but is needed elsewhere by the end of the week.

The Luftwaffe was held back from any kind of large-scale serious offensive action this week, reeling from the sustained, intense attacks by the Soviet air forces. Still, some ground support missions were conducted. The strain on the fighters is becoming all-too obvious.

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NICE JOBˇ..Herr FIELDMARSHALLˇ

Kirovograd

Nice place to replace panzers and refit moral etc..after they charge again (always rest panzer divisions in citys); then became strongers (if not u knew)

If possible to destroy what panzers soviet units unsupplyyed did..[&o]..good breakˇ



thedoctorking -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 9:35:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zecke


NICE JOBˇ..Herr FIELDMARSHALLˇ

Kirovograd

Nice place to replace panzers and refit moral etc..after they charge again (always rest panzer divisions in citys); then became strongers (if not u knew)

If possible to destroy what panzers soviet units unsupplyyed did..[&o]..good breakˇ


It makes a difference if they refit in a city? How about railheads? Does this apply to USSR armor as well?



Twigster -> RE: Twig's War (Twigster Axis, thedoctorking Soviet) (11/28/2017 11:28:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thedoctorking


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zecke


NICE JOBˇ..Herr FIELDMARSHALLˇ

Kirovograd

Nice place to replace panzers and refit moral etc..after they charge again (always rest panzer divisions in citys); then became strongers (if not u knew)

If possible to destroy what panzers soviet units unsupplyyed did..[&o]..good breakˇ


It makes a difference if they refit in a city? How about railheads? Does this apply to USSR armor as well?


My understanding is that refit happens faster if conducted at railheads, I hope so anyway, because that's how I (usually) do it. As for Soviet armor in cities- I don't know for sure. I would think so...



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