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warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/7/2019 6:48:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Why on earth was the Shanghai MIL destroyed? That unit can never be rebuilt, while the INF can easily be rebuild. I really think the Chinese should have been asked about this.
warspite1

Why raise it in that way? I saw it was a MIL and so destroyed it as the cheaper unit. If that was the wrong decision then its nothing that can't be undone....

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Courtenay -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/7/2019 7:43:59 PM)

I apologize if my tone was incorrect. This is a very common decision the Chinese player has to make, and the answer is always save the Shanghai (and Peking and Canton) MILs.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/7/2019 7:50:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

I apologize if my tone was incorrect. This is a very common decision the Chinese player has to make, and the answer is always save the Shanghai (and Peking and Canton) MILs.
warspite1

No problem Courtenay. It may be a common decision - but that is no help to someone whose mind - never the sharpest tool in the box at the best of times - suffers from increasing old age itis [:(]



composer99 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/8/2019 12:00:09 AM)

In all fairness, if those units get shattered, it's pretty much the same result: they're out of play for pretty much the entire game. By the time you get the cities back and can place them as reinforcements, you don't even really need them anymore.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/8/2019 5:50:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: composer99

In all fairness, if those units get shattered, it's pretty much the same result: they're out of play for pretty much the entire game. By the time you get the cities back and can place them as reinforcements, you don't even really need them anymore.
warspite1

So are you saying there was no need to re-do that phase because whether destroyed or shattered the unit isn't coming back until Shanghai is Chinese once more?

Is the difference that if Shanghai becomes Chinese then, if shattered, it comes straight back at that point for no cost, but if destroyed it would need to be rebuilt first?



Courtenay -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/8/2019 7:30:33 AM)

OK, yes, that is right. I so shattering the other unit is correct. I made a mistake. Killing the Shanghai MIL is correct, since the other unit comes back immediately. Somehow I did not see the shatter; I thought it was a 1/0 result. My mistake, and my sincere apologies.

(Where does one take a brain for a tune-up?)



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/8/2019 8:14:03 AM)

Right so I've re-done again and AllenK now has both versions; MIL destroyed/INF Shattered and INF destroyed/MIL Shattered. He can use whichever he wants - but have suggested he uses the MIL destroyed so he gets the INF back for free next turn.



composer99 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/8/2019 2:41:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: composer99

In all fairness, if those units get shattered, it's pretty much the same result: they're out of play for pretty much the entire game. By the time you get the cities back and can place them as reinforcements, you don't even really need them anymore.
warspite1

So are you saying there was no need to re-do that phase because whether destroyed or shattered the unit isn't coming back until Shanghai is Chinese once more?

Is the difference that if Shanghai becomes Chinese then, if shattered, it comes straight back at that point for no cost, but if destroyed it would need to be rebuilt first?



Yes to both questions. But it is all well and good that AllenK has both versions.



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/9/2019 6:11:39 PM)

S/O 40 Allies 2

No DoW or alignments

Land: France, China.
Combined: The Rest.

CW sails a task force of 1 CV, 3 BB and 3 CA to North Sea 3-box. TRANS sails from Gib to Biscay 2-box and loads INF from Liverpool.

US recalls 2 CP's from 3 sea zones to port. 4 go back to San Diego. 2 go to Pearl.

USSR moves some units in Lithuania.

The Chinese make a couple of minor moves.

CW abandons Antwerp and moves Cape Town MIL to Kuala Lumpur.

The Yugoslavs abandon Zagreb and move up on Graziani.

The French make some adjustments to the lines.

CW debarks the INF in Biscay to Bayonne.

CW declares a combat in Malaya.

The Yugoslavs have a go a Graziani. Do the Axis wish to fly air support? The Germans can fly the He-115 C from Trieste or the He-111 from Vienna. The Italians could fly the Z.501 from La Spezia.

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warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/9/2019 6:22:59 PM)

The Italian flying boat will fly in support please



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/9/2019 6:27:57 PM)

I land the flying boats back at La Spezia.

In Yugoslavia, the attack is at 3:2 +1. Do the Italians want to go for assault or blitz?



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/9/2019 6:41:26 PM)

The Blitzkrieg table please.



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/9/2019 6:45:41 PM)

Graziani conducts a fighting retreat, resulting in the destruction of the attacking force.

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AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/9/2019 6:47:36 PM)

Which table would the partisans like?

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warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/9/2019 7:06:52 PM)

The Assault table please



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/9/2019 10:27:43 PM)

The partisans are destroyed.

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AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/9/2019 10:35:28 PM)

CW FTR rebases from Berbera to Port Sudan.

Georges reorgs an INF and FTR.

Weather stays fine.

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warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 5:43:25 AM)

Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Combined
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement:
Japan

1. An AMPH heads for the China Sea and picks up the Fukuoka MIL.

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike:
Italy

Italy brings in an SM.79 against the French hex southeast of Lille and the Z.1007 against the French units to the west of the Ardennes.

The French have a fighter they can bring in and the Germans have 2 6-strength fighters that can reach either hex.

What do the French want to do?

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AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 8:49:35 AM)

Fighter stays on the ground, thanks.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 8:58:55 AM)

Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Ground Strike:
Italy

The results of the ground strike (2, 5, 5, 9 and 7 thrown) were:
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warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 10:09:23 AM)

Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Rail Movement:
Germany

1. The Stettin MIL heads for Danzig
2. A GARR from Holland moves to Lodz

Japan

1. A MOT heads for Kirin

Land Movement:
Japan

An Infantry corps takes the resource hex northwest of Nanning

Germany

The infantry assigned to Yugoslavia push east toward Belgrade, taking the vacant Zagreb in the process. What are considered surplus units head west rather than take part in the mop up operation.

Units in Holland and Belgium move forward and capture the also recently vacated port of Antwerp.

Italy

The 3rd Julia moves west to join up with German/Italian forces

Air Transport: None

Debark: None

Land Combat:
Germany

Two attacks are announced: the Yugoslav corps in the mountains southwest of Belgrade come under attack as do the French west of Brussels



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 11:08:49 AM)

Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Land Combat:
Germany

The Yugoslav attack is automatic.

The attack against the French is 59:10 or 5:1 (I believe its a +2). The Germans bring in a 2 factor bomber to try and raise the odds to 6:1.

As before the French have a 4-factor fighter and the Germans can intercept with 2 x 6-strength.

What do the French wish to do?

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AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 11:41:09 AM)

Fighter stays on the ground, thanks.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 11:52:18 AM)

Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Land Combat:
Germany

The attack in Yugoslavian attack is automatic and the Yugoslavian corps is destroyed.

NOTE: The program has rolled for fractionals. I can only assume this is because I have mistakenly added the Italian Division - which I did not mean to do. I will have to re-throw.

I don't know what that was all about. I input the throw (553) and the fractionals failed. Even so it was still an auto attack.... so that was 20 minutes of my life I won't get back [:D]
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warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 12:14:24 PM)

Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Land Combat:
Germany

The fractionals fail (285 thrown). The roll was a 9(11) and the French lose two units. I assume the division and the militia. I convert to retreat. I retreat the surviving unit to Calais.

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warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 12:58:52 PM)

Sep/Oct 1940
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Air rebase:
Germany

1. A Stuka moves to Dusseldorf
2. An He-111 moves to Liege
3. An He-111H moves to Cologne
4. A Ju-52 moves to Aachen

Italy

1. a C.200 moves to Antwerp

HQ Reorganisation: None



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 2:02:59 PM)

S/A 40 Allies 4

No DoW or alignments.

Land: France and China
Combined: The rest.

CW sails TRANS from Somaliland to Arabian Sea 0-box and loads Bombay MIL. A couple of CL's go to Biscay 4-box from Liverpool.

US retrieves a couple of CP's from Central Pacific back to Hawaii and moves TYRANS from Midway and Pago Pago back to West Coast 0-box.

USSR moves some units around Minsk area.

The Chinese move a couple of units.

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AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 2:10:41 PM)

CW retreats from Belgium back to Lille. Gort moves back to Boulogne.

The French too abandon Belgium as they rearrange the line.

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AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 2:13:18 PM)

Indian units conduct anti-partisan operations. Assault or Blitz?

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warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (3/10/2019 2:14:28 PM)

The Assault table please



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