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ORIGINAL: RickInVA

I don't think I've ever seen Germany as tief in die Tinte at the end of the first turn.

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Where does Germany place its pact chits?

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EDIT: I can get either Turkey OR Hungary to produce in Bratislava but not beyond.

Also, the only place I am allowed to save the Romanian oil is in Bratislava???

Am I missing something here or is this right?

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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EDIT: I can get either Turkey OR Hungary to produce in Bratislava but not beyond.

Also, the only place I am allowed to save the Romanian oil is in Bratislava???

Am I missing something here or is this right?

I think it’s correct. Germany need to take one hex in Poland to get rail road commection from there. Yugoslavian units block railing resources beyond Bratislava.

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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EDIT: I can get either Turkey OR Hungary to produce in Bratislava but not beyond.

Also, the only place I am allowed to save the Romanian oil is in Bratislava???

Am I missing something here or is this right?

I think it’s correct. Germany need to take one hex in Poland to get rail road commection from there. Yugoslavian units block railing resources beyond Bratislava.

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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EDIT: I can get either Turkey OR Hungary to produce in Bratislava but not beyond.

Also, the only place I am allowed to save the Romanian oil is in Bratislava???

Am I missing something here or is this right?

I think it’s correct. Germany need to take one hex in Poland to get rail road commection from there. Yugoslavian units block railing resources beyond Bratislava.

Looks correct to me.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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EDIT: I can get either Turkey OR Hungary to produce in Bratislava but not beyond.

Also, the only place I am allowed to save the Romanian oil is in Bratislava???

Am I missing something here or is this right?

I think it’s correct. Germany need to take one hex in Poland to get rail road commection from there. Yugoslavian units block railing resources beyond Bratislava.

warspite1

The Germans own the rail line in Poland and the Yugoslavs do not have ZOC into unoccupied rail lines.

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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EDIT: I can get either Turkey OR Hungary to produce in Bratislava but not beyond.

Also, the only place I am allowed to save the Romanian oil is in Bratislava???

Am I missing something here or is this right?

I think it’s correct. Germany need to take one hex in Poland to get rail road commection from there. Yugoslavian units block railing resources beyond Bratislava.

warspite1

The Germans own the rail line in Poland and the Yugoslavs do not have ZOC into unoccupied rail lines.

The key hex out of Czechoslovakia (54,48) is showing as CW controlled. This is the block.

Also, it's coming up as 3.4 oil needed, not 2.4. Du you want to spend the Berlin saved oil as well or revised reorg plans?

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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EDIT: I can get either Turkey OR Hungary to produce in Bratislava but not beyond.

Also, the only place I am allowed to save the Romanian oil is in Bratislava???

Am I missing something here or is this right?

I think it’s correct. Germany need to take one hex in Poland to get rail road commection from there. Yugoslavian units block railing resources beyond Bratislava.

warspite1

The Germans own the rail line in Poland and the Yugoslavs do not have ZOC into unoccupied rail lines.

The key hex out of Czechoslovakia (54,48) is showing as CW controlled. This is the block.

Also, it's coming up as 3.4 oil needed, not 2.4. Du you want to spend the Berlin saved oil as well or revised reorg plans?

warspite1

Something weird going on here. I don't have time to look at it (work calls) so in the interests of moving the game along then take the 3.4 (3 oil expended). Thanks.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

I can't get the Turkish resource to a German factory. Is this right? Yugoslavia doesn't affect this surely?

There is a rail line through neutral Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and also Czechoslovakia.

EDIT: I can get either Turkey OR Hungary to produce in Bratislava but not beyond.

Also, the only place I am allowed to save the Romanian oil is in Bratislava???

Am I missing something here or is this right?

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Partisans: Two partisans were drawn - one in India and one in French Indo-China.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Partisans: Two partisans were drawn - one in India and one in French Indo-China.

this could not happen in paper RaW7 World in Flames. The change to the partisan process makes it a little more likely the Partisans "arrive in bunches" and MWiF is good for the Independence movements in South & East Asia.

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Partisans: Two partisans were drawn - one in India and one in French Indo-China.

this could not happen in paper RaW7 World in Flames. The change to the partisan process makes it a little more likely the Partisans "arrive in bunches" and MWiF is good for the Independence movements in South & East Asia.

When I did the run through, no partisans appeared [8|].

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Just want to check, Graziani is disorganised. Do the Italians want to spend their oil to reorganise him?

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: AllenK

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Partisans: Two partisans were drawn - one in India and one in French Indo-China.

this could not happen in paper RaW7 World in Flames. The change to the partisan process makes it a little more likely the Partisans "arrive in bunches" and MWiF is good for the Independence movements in South & East Asia.

When I did the run through, no partisans appeared [8|].

warspite1

In case of corruption I used the file I sent AllenK yesterday and both partisans appear. No idea what is going on. I tried to check it to the rule and I don't see how India or Poland even had to throw for a partisan unit (at least French Indo-China makes sense). The rule talks about a modified partisan (presumably reduced by garrison?). If so then India has even less chance of a Partisan as does Poland.....

Anyway, just got in from work so probably won't get a turn in tonight. I'll try and look at the oil reorganisation nonsense later after I've had something to eat - but clearly I didn't dream the program told me 2 oil.....or maybe I did - but after the Partisans fiasco maybe... who knows.

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That leaves the partisan throws. I have read RAC and a couple of threads on partisans from previously. I have to say, having done so, I've absolutely no idea how partisans are calculated and what the 'throws' generated has to do with the Partisan Numbers and Probabilities chart in the info screen. Essentially low is bad (if you don't want partisans) but that is as much as I can get from that. If you are okay with it AllenK then we can just assume its right - if not, then someone with a bigger brain can try and make sense of the calculation.

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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That leaves the partisan throws. I have read RAC and a couple of threads on partisans from previously. I have to say, having done so, I've absolutely no idea how partisans are calculated and what the 'throws' generated has to do with the Partisan Numbers and Probabilities chart in the info screen. Essentially low is bad (if you don't want partisans) but that is as much as I can get from that. If you are okay with it AllenK then we can just assume its right - if not, then someone with a bigger brain can try and make sense of the calculation.

What is the problem with partisans? You don't get same results with same rolls?

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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That leaves the partisan throws. I have read RAC and a couple of threads on partisans from previously. I have to say, having done so, I've absolutely no idea how partisans are calculated and what the 'throws' generated has to do with the Partisan Numbers and Probabilities chart in the info screen. Essentially low is bad (if you don't want partisans) but that is as much as I can get from that. If you are okay with it AllenK then we can just assume its right - if not, then someone with a bigger brain can try and make sense of the calculation.

What is the problem with partisans? You don't get same results with same rolls?

warspite1

No, there is no problem with the results - AllenK confirmed in post 113. There is probably not a problem at all in the way the partisans are coded and calculated. The only 'problem' is that I am too thick to understand how that calculation is made; specifically, why did India, Poland and French Indo-China have to throw for Partisan>Garrison as a result of throwing 8,6 and 6 in the initial Partisan Active stage? What are 8,6 and 6 being compared to? What is the test? I think I understand why the partisans were then picked/not picked i.e. I think the throws of 2,10,5 respectively are compared to the 5,1,6 modified Partisan number in the Partisan Numbers and Probabilities table in the Info screen. But then I don't understand the third element; why did India and French Indo-China make TWO Pick a Partisan throws when the table suggests there was no chance of a second partisan?

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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That leaves the partisan throws. I have read RAC and a couple of threads on partisans from previously. I have to say, having done so, I've absolutely no idea how partisans are calculated and what the 'throws' generated has to do with the Partisan Numbers and Probabilities chart in the info screen. Essentially low is bad (if you don't want partisans) but that is as much as I can get from that. If you are okay with it AllenK then we can just assume its right - if not, then someone with a bigger brain can try and make sense of the calculation.

What is the problem with partisans? You don't get same results with same rolls?

warspite1

No, there is no problem with the results - AllenK confirmed in post 113. There is probably not a problem at all in the way the partisans are coded and calculated. The only 'problem' is that I am too thick to understand how that calculation is made; specifically, why did India, Poland and French Indo-China have to throw for Partisan>Garrison as a result of throwing 8,6 and 6 in the initial Partisan Active stage? What are 8,6 and 6 being compared to? What is the test? I think I understand why the partisans were then picked/not picked i.e. I think the throws of 2,10,5 respectively are compared to the 5,1,6 modified Partisan number in the Partisan Numbers and Probabilities table in the Info screen. But then I don't understand the third element; why did India and French Indo-China make TWO Pick a Partisan throws when the table suggests there was no chance of a second partisan?

This is how I understand this:

First you roll d100 for partisan if you don't have enough garrison as you can see on "partisan numbers and probabilities".

Then you roll d10 for garrison. If you have 2% chance for partisan, this is where you test your garrison. I can't remember do you have to roll 1-2 or 9-10 to get partisan in case of 2% chance.

Then you pick partisan unit. For some reason I don't understand, at least in version 2.7.1, I have to roll two times pick roll even if I get one partisan.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

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That leaves the partisan throws. I have read RAC and a couple of threads on partisans from previously. I have to say, having done so, I've absolutely no idea how partisans are calculated and what the 'throws' generated has to do with the Partisan Numbers and Probabilities chart in the info screen. Essentially low is bad (if you don't want partisans) but that is as much as I can get from that. If you are okay with it AllenK then we can just assume its right - if not, then someone with a bigger brain can try and make sense of the calculation.

What is the problem with partisans? You don't get same results with same rolls?

warspite1

No, there is no problem with the results - AllenK confirmed in post 113. There is probably not a problem at all in the way the partisans are coded and calculated. The only 'problem' is that I am too thick to understand how that calculation is made; specifically, why did India, Poland and French Indo-China have to throw for Partisan>Garrison as a result of throwing 8,6 and 6 in the initial Partisan Active stage? What are 8,6 and 6 being compared to? What is the test? I think I understand why the partisans were then picked/not picked i.e. I think the throws of 2,10,5 respectively are compared to the 5,1,6 modified Partisan number in the Partisan Numbers and Probabilities table in the Info screen. But then I don't understand the third element; why did India and French Indo-China make TWO Pick a Partisan throws when the table suggests there was no chance of a second partisan?

This is how I understand this:

First you roll d100 for partisan if you don't have enough garrison as you can see on "partisan numbers and probabilities".

Then you roll d10 for garrison. If you have 2% chance for partisan, this is where you test your garrison. I can't remember do you have to roll 1-2 or 9-10 to get partisan in case of 2% chance.

Then you pick partisan unit. For some reason I don't understand, at least in version 2.7.1, I have to roll two times pick roll even if I get one partisan.

warspite1

Exactly. Why did India, and Poland have to make the second roll when the first roll (even though low at 8 and 6) was still higher than the Base Partisan, Garrison or Partisan numbers? What is different to that and Korea rolling 75?

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