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AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 7:58:42 PM)

It’s slim margins. A 6 instead of 5 on the Allied initiative re-roll would’ve given the Allies the initiative. French be back behind Maginot line and Yugoslavia back to the mountains. Failing that, I think there’s a pretty good chance of rain or worse but it went fair. Makes the difference between what would have been a successful raid and now probably not. Going back to the second impulse, the French rolled one short of remaining organised, which may well have seen them back in France by now.

Aircraft stay grounded, thanks. Pick Assault.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 8:20:13 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 1 (Axis)

Land Combat: (cont)
Germany

HQ Support is rolled and are total failures; a 10 and an 8 are thrown. I don't know which way around it was as the MWIF program doesn't tell you which one it is rolling for. (Un)Fortunately in this case it doesn't matter as neither roll would have worked.

So that leaves three attacks unmodified as follows:

Franco-German Border: 4:1 no modifiers (Assault)
Vienna: 7:1 +1 (Assault)
Lodz: 7:1 no modifiers (Assault)
China: 3:1 (but almost certainly 4:1 with fractionals) +1 (Assault)

Can you confirm the table for the other three attacks please?



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 8:37:59 PM)

If you can’t retreat into ZOC then Assaults for all, please. If can, Blitz Vienna.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 8:48:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AllenK

If you can’t retreat into ZOC then Assaults for all, please. If can, Blitz Vienna.
warspite1

I don't understand the retreat stuff fully so in order not to make any errors I will do these one at a time, show you the pictures and then confirm which table.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 8:49:59 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 1 (Axis)

Land Combat: (cont)
Germany

The first attack is on the Franco-German border. The Germans have the choice of table and choose assault.

The roll is a 4 and the French lose a unit (I assume the Infantry as the factors are the same and so save the Motorised). All units are disorganised.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/A8EE6836A46E42D38A359D9F5692A5F4.jpg[/image]



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 8:50:39 PM)

I’d look it up in the manual but can’t as am on a train.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 8:56:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

I’d look it up in the manual but can’t as am on a train.
warspite1

That's fine - I'll do it - but will post what I think rather than goof it up.



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 8:59:45 PM)

I don’t understand why the French units are disorganised.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 9:01:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

I don’t understand why the French units are disorganised.
warspite1

I'll look at that after the combats.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 9:04:36 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 1 (Axis)

Land Combat: (cont)
Germany

The second attack is against Vienna. The odds are 7:1 so has to be Assault or its automatic. The throw is a 1 (2). All attackers are disorganised. The Yugoslavs lose one unit (I choose the weaker, cheaper CAV). I do not convert to retreat but according to retreat priorities I am hoping that the second unit is unable to retreat.

EDIT: Yes, Prince Paul could not retreat as there was only one hex, in ZOC and NOT occupied by a friendly unit.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/81DF96F7EB4F45DCABF9D776AA210AB3.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 9:19:42 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 1 (Axis)

Land Combat: (cont)
Germany

The third attack is against Lodz. Again, it's 7:1 so the Assault table has to be chosen. The roll is a 1 and one unit each is lost and all Germans are disorganised.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/FD61DD2C78D44E2B800DF6318D689B5C.jpg[/image]



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 9:22:49 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 1 (Axis)

Land Combat: (cont)
Japan

The last attack is in China. So to be clear this is either 3:1 or 4:1 +1 and the Chinese are able to retreat. What do you want to do?

Edit: A 4(5) is thrown. All attacking units are disorganised and the defender loses one unit. The surviving cavalry are retreated toward Ichang.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/35430DFCEE6C4AF49A4362853F617216.jpg[/image]



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 9:24:40 PM)

Go with Blitz thanks.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 9:33:04 PM)

Where do you want the cavalry to retreat to (see picture above) - either directly west or southwest?



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 9:34:30 PM)

I think attacker chooses but please check.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 9:40:55 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 1 (Axis)

Air Rebase:
Japan

1. A Sonia rebases to Wuhan

Germany

1. A Ju-88A1 heads for Vienna.

HQ Reorganisation:
Japan

Umezu reorganises two corps and a division.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 9:50:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

I don’t understand why the French units are disorganised.
warspite1

Because the defenders took more losses than the attackers 0/1.



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/26/2019 10:29:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

I don’t understand why the French units are disorganised.
warspite1

Because the defenders took more losses than the attackers 0/1.



You live and learn. Never noticed that before. Thanks.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 3:25:48 AM)

Germany didn’t roll well at all. I’m curious to see next weather roll.



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 12:30:38 PM)

I've posted the question about the missing oil point on Tech Support. In the meantime, since we can't find a rule reason why it shouldn't have saved, I've manually increased the saved oil at Bratislava to 2 points by editing the game file. I can always put is back if it turns out only one oil should have been saved.



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 2:15:57 PM)

ND 39 Allies 2

No Do~W or alignments.

Land: CW, France, China
Combined: US, USSR

US sends TRANS from Pearl back to WEst Coast 0-box and loads Bolo's. CL takes INF Div from West Coast to Hawaiian Is 3-box.

The RAF's newly arrived Blenheim's raid Berlin. The Hampdens target German oil production.

Berlin factories suffer damage that temporarily reduces output.

[image]local://upfiles/47730/090D16BC66E047D69CED39FE24A01450.jpg[/image]



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 2:17:53 PM)

As does German oil production.

[image]local://upfiles/47730/F9459D653C5B44978B85592E3494446E.jpg[/image]



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 2:30:58 PM)

Mongolian CAV continues to the rail head. Lanchow MIL begins a slow march towards the front. A couple of other minor moves near Vilna.

Some rearrangement of the Chinese forces.

[image]local://upfiles/47730/4608754B850B4BD394E45E90CEF0602D.jpg[/image]



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 3:27:30 PM)

CW moves Delhi MIL to Agra. INF from Southampton to Plymouth. MECH from Plymouth to Liverpool. London MIL moves towards Liverpool. MIL from Manchester to Liverpool. MOT arrives at Calais.

France and Yugoslavia reorganise the lines.

[image]local://upfiles/47730/E61898542DDE45B2BBE98DFB43E9A3B7.jpg[/image]



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 3:28:57 PM)

US INF Div debarks to Midway.

USSR rebases a FTR and LND from the south to Vilna.

France takes CVP off Bearn and bases ashore at Brest. French LND rebases 1 hex east to the woods.

Billotte roeorgs the MOT in Germany.

Winter weather descends.

[image]local://upfiles/47730/77D8C065C4BA4310BBF895F03AE64E13.jpg[/image]



brian brian -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 4:29:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AllenK

[image]local://upfiles/47730/E61898542DDE45B2BBE98DFB43E9A3B7.jpg[/image]



I am presuming this image is after Land Movement? Cuz otherwise this leads to a question about this -


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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Billotte roeorgs the MOT in Germany.




Doesn't the re-org process depend on:

11.18.2 HQ reorganisation
A face-up HQ can reorganise units within range of the HQ. The HQ's reorganisation range is equal to its reorganisation value in motorized movement points.



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 4:36:52 PM)

It isn't clear on the picture but there's a rail link from Metz, through Strasbourg and to the hex with the MOT. Motorized movement cost is 2 points, which puts Billotte in range.



brian brian -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 4:44:35 PM)

Ahh, I never play with the Railroad Movement Optional, can never remember that one.



warspite1 -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 6:26:16 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Declaration of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined

Naval Air: None
Naval Movement:
Italy

1. Two convoys put to sea in the Italian Coast

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement:
Germany

1. INF to Poznan

Japan

1. HQ (Terauchi) to Wuhan

Land Movement:
Germany

There are some infantry adjustments in Austria as the few weak units there move south. Reinforcements head for Poland. Forces in Denmark move around a bit, and some Infantry/Motorised Infantry head for northwest Germany.

Japan

The forces under Umezu are temporarily given control to Yamamoto (who threatens to resign if he’s not given control) and then ordered to consolidate their position south of the Han. Yamamoto asks his naval forces to occupy Ichang and keep out of the hands of the Chinese working their way north.

The Federal Government remains on lock down and the White House fails to either notice or respond to the continued Japanese aggression.

Air Transport: None

Land Combat:
Japan

Yamamoto orders an attack against the cavalry unit that retreated previously. The attack is automatic even with the weather modifier (25:2 +1), although I’m still being asked to provide fractional odds so maybe it’s not. I best go through the combat rolls just in case. I input the fractional result and sure enough it comes up automatic. Which is a good job as my land throw was a 2.

[image]local://upfiles/28156/ADEDADCD0A3047A2893F029D07E64B14.jpg[/image]

Air Rebase:
Japan

1. A Ki-27 FTR heads for Ichang
2. A second Ki-27 heads for Ichang

Germany

1. A Bf109-F4 rebases to Hanover
2. An He-111H is ordered to Vienna
3. A Bf109-E1 heads for Vienna

Air Reorganisation: None
HQ Reorganisation:
Japan

Yamamoto reorganises two Infantry and 1 Val bombers



AllenK -> RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR (1/27/2019 7:33:57 PM)

N/D 39 Allies 5

No DoW or alignments

Naval: CW
Land: China
Combined: France, US, USSR

TRANS from Liverpool and Plymouth load the INF and MIL and sail to Biscay 3-box. TRANS in Alex loads Wavell and sails to Biscay 0-box. Ramillies is sent out from Plymouth to provide additional support. An additional CP is sent to East Coast, Nth Atlantic and Biscay. Queens sail from Aden to Tasman Sea 0-box and pick up Sydney Mil. Former Danish CA sails to North Sea 2-box. Adjustments to escorts in the various Atlantic sea zones.

France sends 3 CP to Biscay from Casablanca.

US TRANS in West Coast returns to Pearl.

Lanchow MIL continues its slow progress to the front.

USSR moves ENG back into Odessa.

The Chinese make a couple of adjustments.

[image]local://upfiles/47730/436FD076067D47CEB3F7FED6306C6A9B.jpg[/image]



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