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warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 6:52:46 PM)

Schleswig-Holstein please and yes the Germans stay



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 6:55:37 PM)

Old BB is damaged and CP sinks.

Here comes the second round.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 6:56:35 PM)

Both roll 9, naval combat is over.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:02:10 PM)

Why does the BB sink please? I can only see one roll of 5



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:03:03 PM)

Rail move
France rail INF from Nice to Belgian front.
USSR rail ENG from Odessa to Pskov.


Land move
Minor movements on USSR western front and for Nationalist Chinese.
CW moves MOT in Denmark to same hex with MECH.


Debark
CW lands AA gun and ART to Denmark same hex with INF HQ.


Rebase
CW rebase ATR to Denmark.


Turn ends on a 2.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:03:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Why does the BB sink please? I can only see one roll of 5

BB is damaged, CP sinks.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:04:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Why does the BB sink please? I can only see one roll of 5

BB is damaged, CP sinks.
warspite1

Ah right - thanks



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:09:03 PM)

Partisan appears to French Indo-China. There is a TERR protecting resource, is this a good place? It can move and cut rail road to China and possibly attack later to city if more partisans joins the combat.

How Germany places their markers?

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warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:15:08 PM)

Can the Partisan be placed to the northeast please, in the mountains and cutting the road?

Markers are both defensive please.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:17:18 PM)

No it can't, Chinese unit ZoC is the reason. You can move it there next turn.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:20:26 PM)

USSR marker on offense.

US entry marker on Ge/It pool.

No US entry options.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:22:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

No it can't, Chinese unit ZoC is the reason. You can move it there next turn.
warspite1

Yeah, I knew that..... [:D]



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 7:32:15 PM)

Sep/Oct 1939
End of Turn orders (Axis)

Neutrality Pact:
The Germans will two defensive markers please

Production Planning:
Germany

2 x Oil from Romania (both saved in Berlin)
2 x Oil from USSR (to production)
2 x Oil from Austria and Germany (to production)

14 Build Points

Italy

1 x Oil from Romania (saved in Milan)

2 Build Points

Japan

2 x Oil from NEI (saved in Tokyo)
2 x Oil from USA (to production)

10 Build Points

Stay At Sea: None (except convoys)
Return to Base:
Germany

The remaining German ships return to Stettin.

Japan

The AMPH and TRS in the China Sea return to Sasebo

Oil Reorganisation:
Japan

All units except Ping Hai, 1 x TRS, 1 x AMPH for 1.4 (1 oil expended)

Germany

All units except naval vessels and 2 x Heinkels for 2.4 (2 oil expended)

Italy

Not Applicable

Breakdown: None

Production:
Germany

Please scrap the Do-17E

2 x PIL
2 x LND (4)
Repair Admiral Scheer
Repair TRS
1 x CONV
1 x MIL

Italy

1 x PIL

Japan

1 x TERR
1 x MIL
Shokaku
1 x SUB (1st Cycle)
Hiyo (1st Cycle)
1 x CONV

Reinforcement:
Germany

Kiel: Ju-88, ARM DIV
Hamburg: Tank Dest
Cologne: 6-3 INF

Italy

Turin: Ba-65, 5-4 MOT

Japan

(If TERR is Manchurian then place in Kirin - otherwise I don't care (within reason))

Memo Item:
Oil situation: Germany 3 (3 x Berlin), Italy 2 (Milan) and Japan 5 (3 x Tokyo, Yokohama and Nagoya)


No Re-Roll and will go second if I get the opportunity to choose





warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 8:38:40 PM)

I hope the game is not corrupted [:(]

The two oil saved in Tokyo were saved in the port of Amoy (China)
I was able to place a BB reinforcement for the CW in a port....

This is not a good sign.



composer99 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 9:12:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I hope the game is not corrupted [:(]

The two oil saved in Tokyo were saved in the port of Amoy (China)
I was able to place a BB reinforcement for the CW in a port....

This is not a good sign.


Can't speak to the oil situation.

As for the BB, was that BB reinforcement supposed to go to the construction pool? If it's a 2nd-cycle build then it's supposed to go to a port.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 9:39:55 PM)

Japs can destroy a couple of factories. I destroy them, let me know if that was a bad idea.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 9:53:53 PM)

Prelim prod

China 5 BPs
CW 11 BPs, 6 oils are saved (one of them to Denmark)
France 9 BPs, one oil saved.
US 11 BPs, one oil saved.
USSR 8 BPs, one oil saved.


Stay at Sea and RTB
CW fleet stay on North Sea.
French ships stay at sea.

CW planes from Baltic Sea return to Denmark.
2x CW TRS to London.
CV from West Med to Plymouth.
The Queens to Bombay.

French TRS to Beirut, sub to Oran.
US AL TRS to West Coast, subs to Midway and Philippines.


Oil use
For Germany I used 2,45 reorganizing one CP too.
USSR all for free.
CW almost all, few ships remain disorganized for 2,45 oil.
France all but 2 ships on Baltic Sea for free.
US all for 0,7 oil.


Production

China 5
2x MIL
Save 1 BP

CW 11
INF
MECH
3x CP
4x CVP-0

France 5
2x Fort
Save 1 BP

US 11
CV (1st)
3x BB (1st)
AMPH (1st)

USSR 8
Fort
MTN
GAR


Reinforcements

CW
Spitfire To Hull
Hampden to London
Hurricane To London
CP to Calcutta
BB to Plymouth

China
MIL Chunking

France
Removes pilot from CVP

US
3 ships to San Diego
Removes 2 pilots

USSR
Sian MIL
Removes 2 pilots


Recourse lending
CW to France 4 res (1 oil)


Axis win initiative and Allies go first in fine weather.

[image]local://upfiles/39586/D014CD21D83C42D1A8FCC3D9825034C4.jpg[/image]



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/29/2019 10:00:11 PM)

I edited build points for US and also 1 BP for France as convoys did not obey me (It looked good after every phase, but resource from French Indo-China became idle at the start of each new phase).

Everything looks normal to me.

I play my impulse tomorrow evening.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/30/2019 7:07:05 AM)

One question. If Allied naval units are unable to travel into the Baltic, how has the French cruiser managed to reorganise? Is this WAD?

Edit: Found it [RAC page 99].

Ships and aircraft at sea consume oil if reorganised, but they do not need to trace a path to the oil resource.



Orm -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/30/2019 8:53:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

One question. If Allied naval units are unable to travel into the Baltic, how has the French cruiser managed to reorganise? Is this WAD?

Edit: Found it [RAC page 99].

Ships and aircraft at sea consume oil if reorganised, but they do not need to trace a path to the oil resource.

Yes, you found the relevant rule.

However, did the French ships, in the Baltic Sea, have a port they could return to? If not, then it might be a bug and they should have been destroyed. Ships that does not have a base they can return to are not allowed to stay at sea. And I suspect that the only base available is Frederickshavn, although I am not sure if that is the case. Maybe Aarhus is Allied? And if Frederickshavn is the only base and there are CW ships there then that port is unavailable since CW and France do not yet co-operate.

So it all comes down to this; did Allies control a port in the Baltic Sea area without any CW ships during the return to base step? If they did the French remain, if not, then they should be destroyed.

Cut from 13.4 Return to base:
When you can’t return to base
Destroy any unit (checked individually) that has no base to return to. It makes no difference if a unit
couldn’t return to base because it was out of range or was blocked by naval movement restrictions (see 8.2.10 and
11.4.4). [Clarification. You can not return to base to a port you could not normally make a naval move into - Dec.
23, 2007.]
Destroy any unit at sea that couldn’t have returned to base (even if it could stay at sea). [Clarification.
Infinite naval units may remain at sea provided at least 1 space (i.e., at a minor port) is available to which they could
have returned to base - Dec. 28, 2007.]



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/30/2019 9:08:07 AM)

Aarhus is controlled by Allies.

At RTB I sent CW plane there, it was empty. So I think French ships could have returned there.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/30/2019 9:13:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

One question. If Allied naval units are unable to travel into the Baltic, how has the French cruiser managed to reorganise? Is this WAD?

Edit: Found it [RAC page 99].

Ships and aircraft at sea consume oil if reorganised, but they do not need to trace a path to the oil resource.

Yes, you found the relevant rule.

However, did the French ships, in the Baltic Sea, have a port they could return to? If not, then it might be a bug and they should have been destroyed. Ships that does not have a base they can return to are not allowed to stay at sea. And I suspect that the only base available is Frederickshavn, although I am not sure if that is the case. Maybe Aarhus is Allied? And if Frederickshavn is the only base and there are CW ships there then that port is unavailable since CW and France do not yet co-operate.

So it all comes down to this; did Allies control a port in the Baltic Sea area without any CW ships during the return to base step? If they did the French remain, if not, then they should be destroyed.

Cut from 13.4 Return to base:
When you can’t return to base
Destroy any unit (checked individually) that has no base to return to. It makes no difference if a unit
couldn’t return to base because it was out of range or was blocked by naval movement restrictions (see 8.2.10 and
11.4.4). [Clarification. You can not return to base to a port you could not normally make a naval move into - Dec.
23, 2007.]
Destroy any unit at sea that couldn’t have returned to base (even if it could stay at sea). [Clarification.
Infinite naval units may remain at sea provided at least 1 space (i.e., at a minor port) is available to which they could
have returned to base - Dec. 28, 2007.]
warspite1

No, there is no port the French could enter as both Fredrikshaven and Aarhus are occupied by the CW.

Edit: Just seen Mayhemizer's post so maybe this works. Presumably as Denmark was conquered by Germany the restrictions on units needing an HQ no longer applies and the French could enter any unoccupied port in Denmark - even if CW owned?

[image]local://upfiles/28156/A349E29022684955AA0510837F59A0BD.jpg[/image]



Orm -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/30/2019 9:27:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

Aarhus is controlled by Allies.

At RTB I sent CW plane there, it was empty. So I think French ships could have returned there.

I think it would come down to if the CW aircraft was returned to the port before the French return to base step. According to the rule, that is. However, I am not sure how MWIF interprets the rule. And I do know that this has been bugged before. In one of our games we had to manually enforce it and the French ships survived until they were in the 0-box, even though there were no port available during that the turns the ships stayed at sea.

Anyway. Since the CW plane returned to Aarhus during this step I think you should continue as is. And check it thoroughly the next turn.



Orm -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/30/2019 9:30:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1
Presumably as Denmark was conquered by Germany the restrictions on units needing an HQ no longer applies and the French could enter any unoccupied port in Denmark - even if CW owned?


The status of Denmark doesn't make any difference. HQ restrictions doesn't apply to major power units in minor countries. For MPs the HQ rule only apples to other MPs home countries. For example: Both France, and CW, can always put as many units as they like in Belgium (as long as Belgium isn't neutral).

The only relevance here was if there was an actual CW unit in the port because the French and CW may not yet stack together.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/30/2019 10:33:46 AM)

Okay Ormster, thanks for your help on this - so its as you were.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:04:30 PM)

N&D 39 Allied 1

No DoW

CW naval, China land, others combined


Naval air
CW fighter to Baltic Sea box 1.


Naval
CW
CL from Frederikshavn to Baltic Sea box 4
TRS from Frederikshavn to North Sea box 0, loads GAR from UK
2x TRS from London to Frederikshavn loaded with INF and MIL
CA to Frederikshavn

The Queens loaded with INF from India to Red Sea box 0
CP to South China Sea

Escorts to Atlantic
BBs to North Sea box 3


France
TRS from Beirut loaded with INF to West Med box 0

US
TRS from West Coast loaded with INF div and ENG to Hawaiian Islands box 0
subs towars Philippines


CW initiates combat on Baltic Sea
CW sends LND to box 1
No Axis planes



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:08:31 PM)

Sorry Mayhemizer you can't move units to/from the Baltic if I've read RAC correctly.

See below from Page 48 of RAC:

You can’t move naval units between the Baltic Sea and the North Sea (even via Fredrikshavn or Kristiansand) if major powers you are at war with control at least 2 of Oslo, Copenhagen and Kiel.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:11:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Sorry Mayhemizer you can't move units to/from the Baltic if I've read RAC correctly.

See below from Page 48 of RAC:

You can’t move naval units between the Baltic Sea and the North Sea (even via Fredrikshavn or Kristiansand) if major powers you are at war with control at least 2 of Oslo, Copenhagen and Kiel.


It's not possible to send ships from UK to Baltic Sea. But if I start from Frederikshavn, is that OK?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:13:48 PM)

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warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:13:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Sorry Mayhemizer you can't move units to/from the Baltic if I've read RAC correctly.

See below from Page 48 of RAC:

You can’t move naval units between the Baltic Sea and the North Sea (even via Fredrikshavn or Kristiansand) if major powers you are at war with control at least 2 of Oslo, Copenhagen and Kiel.


It's not possible to send ships from UK to Baltic Sea. But if I start from Frederikshavn, is that OK?
warspite1

I don't think so but we will probably need to consult the rules guru's. If you can then it just negates the rule and I think that is why it expressly mentions those two ports. I'll look on the ADG website and see if its covered there.



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