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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:16:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Sorry Mayhemizer you can't move units to/from the Baltic if I've read RAC correctly.

See below from Page 48 of RAC:

You can’t move naval units between the Baltic Sea and the North Sea (even via Fredrikshavn or Kristiansand) if major powers you are at war with control at least 2 of Oslo, Copenhagen and Kiel.


It's not possible to send ships from UK to Baltic Sea. But if I start from Frederikshavn, is that OK?
warspite1

I don't think so but we will probably need to consult the rules guru's. If you can then it just negates the rule and I think that is why it expressly mentions those two ports. I'll look on the ADG website and see if its covered there.


What I mean, can Allied ships from Baltic Sea abort to Frederikshavn? And if yes, can they next turn sail back to Baltic Sea?

I was told on table top game, I can use ships so that they leave port, sail 2 sea zones, go to port, pick up a unit and leave a port. Rule you quoted says that is not allowed in this case. I'm not sure about this at all.

Someone good with rules, please comment [:)]



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:29:11 PM)

No you are okay to continue - the rules also state:

The “even via” clauses apply only when attempting to move between sea zones through the port in a single naval move. A unit can move into the port from a sea zone in one step and then move out to sea in the other sea zone in a later step.




Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:32:36 PM)

Well, you seem to be the "someone good with the rules"!


Rail move
None.


Land move
In China, France and USSR western front minor movements.


Debark
French INF to Nice.


Rebase
CW sends FTR and LND to Denmark.


Reorganization
CW uses Gort to reorg 2x TRS in Frederikshavn.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:34:58 PM)

Northern Europe after Allied impulse 1 N/D 1939.

CW has 5 corps, 3 divisions, 3 fighters and 3 bombers in Denmark now. 2 of those planes are on Baltic Sea at the moment.

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warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:40:45 PM)

I am getting more confused by the minute.... where did my CONV go - any ideas?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:44:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

I am getting more confused by the minute.... where did my CONV go - any ideas?


You are confused for a reason. I forgot to post what happened to them as we started to talk was my naval move legal.

So here it comes:

Allied 4, Axis 6.

CW ship in box 4 and French ship in box 3 finds convoys.

All 6 points are used to increase damage to 2D A, both CPs sink.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 2:56:32 PM)

I'll be away for a while now - will hopefully get another impulse in this evening.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 6:09:58 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments:
Italy

The Italians declare war on the Commonwealth and France - Congress is horrified and a chit is picked (a 3 is thrown)

Germany

The Germans declare war on the Dutch - Congress is horrified and a chit is picked (a 3 is thrown)

The Italians call out the reserves.

Who do the Netherlands align with and what are the set up instructions for the Dutch?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 6:18:49 PM)

Align with CW. Can you please post a picture of units.

INF goes to Amsterdam.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 6:23:51 PM)

These are the naval units + I think there is an INF and a MIL or TERR that has to go within the NEI.
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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 6:28:42 PM)

Unit in NEI on oil field or as close as possible.

2 CPs to NEI same hex with land unit if possible. TRS, sub and maximum amount of CPs to safe place in same port in Caribbean Sea. Remaining ships to Rotterdam.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 6:45:30 PM)

Right so I figured you would care more about CONV than light cruisers as we are playing with cruisers aflame. That being the case I have placed all light cruisers in Rotterdam and only 2xCONV there. This puts max CP, the TRS and the SUB safe in South America/NEI.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 6:46:25 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

Japan: Land
Germany: Combined
Italy: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement:
Germany

The Kriegsmarine puts to sea with a small task force of 5 ships and takes up station in the 4-box

Italy

The Italian SUBs put to sea in the Western (1 boat) and Eastern Mediterranean (2 boats)

Naval Search:
Italy

The searches in the Eastern Mediterranean prove fruitless (an 8 (Axis) and a 7 (Allies) are thrown.

In the Western Mediterranean the throws are 2 (Axis) and 2 (Allies) giving the Italians 5 surprise points.

I reduce the Naval Combat for the Axis to 'No Effect' and then increase the Allies with my remaining 2 points to 1 Destroyed and 2 Aborted.

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 6:57:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Right so I figured you would care more about CONV than light cruisers as we are playing with cruisers aflame. That being the case I have placed all light cruisers in Rotterdam and only 2xCONV there. This puts max CP, the TRS and the SUB safe in South America/NEI.

Correct. CW lacks CPs, not cruisers [;)]



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:13:12 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

How do the Allies wish to take the possible loss?

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:17:50 PM)

X on CL, A on TRS.

Abort from combat

CP ships to Gibraltar.

French TRS to Dakar. French CPs to Brest.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:27:53 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

I clicked on Curlew but then it came up with this:

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warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:33:27 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

In the Baltic do you want to bring in either the FTR the ATR or the LND?

The Germans have not brought in aircraft

Hidden in this picture is the CW HMS Galatea (1-strength) attack.

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:36:54 PM)

No planes to Baltic.

Right, it was sub combat.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:38:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

No planes to Baltic.

Right, it was sub combat.
warspite1

Why, has MWIF played the rule wrong?

EDIT: MWIF is correct:

Losses inflicted by the SUB side can only be taken on convoys (unless someone spends 3 surprise points to inflict them on another target).
If convoy points can take no further losses, ignore any remaining losses (unless you spend surprise points to select another target).



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:43:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

No planes to Baltic.

Right, it was sub combat.
warspite1

Why, has MWIF played the rule wrong?

EDIT: MWIF is correct:

Losses inflicted by the SUB side can only be taken on convoys (unless someone spends 3 surprise points to inflict them on another target).
If convoy points can take no further losses, ignore any remaining losses (unless you spend surprise points to select another target).


I was reading messages from my phone and missed that it was submarine combat and first asked to try reload.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:46:28 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

The Rolls are 2 (Axis) and 1 (Allied). Both sides find with all units.

Do you wish to choose a Naval Air?

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:48:08 PM)

Naval air combat is chosen.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:51:50 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

An AA box has come up. No idea how many throws I need so will just do a selection for AA only (any other throws not required are discarded).

Ohhh I guessed right. There were six throws:

10
6
3
2
6
8

The lowest is taken - 2 and the CW bomber loses 1-point

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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:55:52 PM)

Allies stay, but I need to get to bed now.

Save game before new search roll, if nobody finds you can proceed.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (3/31/2019 7:56:46 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

No combat results. The Axis stay. Do the Allies wish to continue?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/1/2019 3:15:58 AM)

Yes please.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/1/2019 4:31:08 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

The Germans also refuse to bring in aircraft for this round. What do the CW wish to do?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/1/2019 4:56:04 PM)

CW is good.

CW stays to the end with what they have on Baltic Sea now.

If aborted, CW ship abort to Frederikshavn and French to Aarhus.



warspite1 -> RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR (4/1/2019 5:15:50 PM)

Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

Naval Search (cont):

Baltic - Round 2

The Axis roll a 2 and the Allies an 8. The Kriegsmarine decide to bring in all enemy ships but not the aircraft in the 1-box. The Germans use their 6 surprise Points to reduce the enemy combat (2) and increase their own (4).

How do the Allies wish to take the hits?

I can't see Mayhemizer on line so in order to move the game on I choose for him. I decide he will want the French as fodder, trying to save Galatea (not least because she's in the 4-box).

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