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peskpesk -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/12/2019 5:36:01 PM)

Germany advances in stormy weather and makes one land attack.

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peskpesk -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/12/2019 5:42:39 PM)

Land combat selection. FR picks Assault.


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peskpesk -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/12/2019 6:01:34 PM)

The France GAR is destroyed

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Air Rebase:

Japan:
NAV2 (69,147) -> 75,135

Germany:
Ftr3 53,30 -> 53,29
Lnd2 53,31-> 54,32

No reorganization.

Ends on die less than 4 -> 3

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Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/12/2019 8:13:41 PM)

May/Jun '40
End of Turn

No Partisans. Garrisons were checked in China, NEI, and Poland.



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/12/2019 8:15:52 PM)

May/Jun '40
End of Turn

Germany adds both pact markers to the offensive pool.



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/12/2019 8:19:29 PM)

May/Jun '40
End of Turn

Losses for the latest turn.

I suspect that the stormy weather impulse saved a few French units. [:D]

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Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/14/2019 2:29:15 PM)

Axis end of turn:
Part one.

Germany place both pact markers in the offensive pool.

Preliminary planning:
Germany - 2 additional oil is saved. 1 in Brno, and 1 in Budapest. - 22 production points - 15 BPs.
Italy - The Rumanian oil being saved goes to production instead. - 8 production points - 6 BPs.
Japan - One saved oil in Tokyo goes to production - 14 production points - 13 BPs.


Stay at sea:
The following units stay at sea.

Germany:
Baltic Sea: 4 x CPs

Italy:
East Med: CP, 2 x CA (4-box)
Italian Coast: CP, CA (4-box)

Japan:
Sea of Japan: CP.
Japanese Coast: 5 x CPs
China Sea: 4 x CP, CA + 2 x BB + 2 x CV (3-box)
South China Sea: 3 x CP, 2 x BB, CA (3-box)


Return to Base:

Germany:
West Med: NAV3 -> 73,37 (Sicily)

Italy:
West Med: FTR2 -> 73,37 (Sicily)
Italian Coast: 3 x CA + BB -> La Spezia
West Med: 3 x CA + 2 x BB + TRS + SUB -> La Spezia; FTR2 -> 82,53 (Egypt); NAV2 -> Bardia
CSV: SUB -> La Spezia
CVB: SUB -> La Spezia

Japan:
China Sea: AMPH + TRS + BB -> Fukuoka; 2 x CA -> Canton
South China Sea: FTR2 -> Kweilin
Japanese Coast: LND2 -> Kobe


Use Oil:

Germany:
All units are reorganized for 4 oil (3.9). Use 3 saved oil in Prague, and 1 in Berlin.

Italy:
All units are reorganized for 2 oil (2.25). Use 1 oil in Milan, and 1 in Rome.

Japan:
All units except 4 x CA + BB + 1 CP + LND2 (Ki-51) are reorganized for 1 oil (1.45). Use oil in Canton.

Breakdown: No.


Prod plan Final:
Germany - No changes needed - 15 BPs
Italy - No changes needed - 6 BPs
Japan - No changes should be needed (maybe the saved oil may need to be sent to a factory (again) for correct production) - 13 BPs



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/14/2019 2:31:02 PM)

Part two.


Production:
Germany (15):
OIL
Pilot
ENG
FTR2
Save 1 BP in Berlin

Italy (6):
Pilot
NAV3
SUB (1st)

Japan (13):
INF
PARA Div
Pilot
LND3
CV - Zuikaku (2nd)

Japan surrenders to USSR.

Factory destruction:
Germany destroy the two blue factories in Lille.


Reinforcements:

Germany:
LND2 (Hs 123) + FTR2 (Me 109E-7) -> Aachen
BB -> Kiel

Italy:
FTR2 -> Genoa
SUB -> La Spezia

Japan:
NAV2 (D3A1) -> Sasebo
INF + GARR -> Fukuoka


Voluntary Resource Lending:
Modify to; Germany -> Italy: 5 resources, (2 oil, minimum)


Axis goes first if we win the initiative. No re-roll.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/14/2019 4:20:08 PM)

quote:

Japan surrenders to USSR.


What happens after this? Both keep hexes they have or does USSR get Manchuria or something?



peskpesk -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/14/2019 4:34:47 PM)

With our house rule: USSR gets Manchuria. Notice this happens after production.
Practical implementation can be discussed. Ex Next turn USSR moves to capital and factory city, JP moves units out of Manchuria to nearest hex. After that USSR can only take Combined until war.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/14/2019 5:44:49 PM)

Thank you. Sounds easy enough.

Can USSR or Japan DoW on others in the future?



peskpesk -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/14/2019 6:22:31 PM)

Yes. Basicaly RAC peace option 50 in. (with automatic pact after peace)



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/18/2019 7:15:25 PM)

quote:

Stay at sea:
The following units stay at sea.

Japan:
South China Sea: 3 x CP, 2 x BB, CA (3-box)


I my save there is nothing in box 3 on South China sea. Is the problem on my save file or on instructions?

EDIT: I think there is nothing, I checked previous save. I move on and redo if needed.



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/18/2019 7:25:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer_slith

quote:

Stay at sea:
The following units stay at sea.

Japan:
South China Sea: 3 x CP, 2 x BB, CA (3-box)


I my save there is nothing in box 3 on South China sea. Is the problem on my save file or on instructions?

The problem is between my chair and the keyboard. [:D]

It is nothing in the South China Sea 3-box. Not sure if I went back and accidently looked at the China Sea when I did it.

I see that the CA in the 3-box in the China Sea isn't accounted for. It can stay at sea if you are still at that step. Or return to Tokyo if not.



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/18/2019 7:29:04 PM)

If my error changes the Japanese oil situation, then I am sure you can follow the intentions of my suggestion to just reorganize for one Japanese oil.

Thank you.

And I am sorry for the extra work caused by my "south China sea" error.



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/18/2019 8:12:48 PM)

Prelim prod

China 4 BPs
CW 18 BPs (6 saved oils)
France 8 BPs (1 saved oil used for productions, 1 oil saved)
USSR 16 BPs
US 11 BPs + 22 BPs saved last turn (1 oil saved)


Stay at sea and RTB
CW escorts stay at sea, some ships stay on North Sea.
The Queens with MIL to Suez.


Oil use
USSR reorg all for 1 oil spent from bushehr
US reorg all for 0 oil
CW all but 1 CA reorg for 3,4 oil
France all but TRS and CA reorg for 1,4 oil


Production

China 4
2x GAR

CW 18
HQ I
INF
2x FTR2
CVP-0
2x Pilot
CV Ark Royal (repair)

France 8
INF
MIL
GAR
CP

US 33
2xBB (1st)
CP
save the rest

USSR 16
SYNTH
MTN
SKIDIV
save 1

I have to quit now and continue tomorrow.

I think CA in China Sea was staying at sea. Oil use went just like told to do. All good [:)]



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/19/2019 6:42:34 PM)

Reinforcements

Nat China
CAV div to Ichang

CW
FTR3 to London
CVP to Plymouth on CV
CA to Plymouth
INF to Bombay

France
Paris MIL SW of Paris
ART to Paris
ARM to Vichy
FTR2 to Paris
FTR2 to Vichy
BB to Marseilles

US
NAV2 to San Diego
4x CP to Norfolk

USSR
3-3 Baku
3-2AA d-town
HQI Tula
7-6 Bryansk
5-6 Vitebsk
6-4 Vitebsk
3-5 Kalinin

Com China
GAR to Lanchow
CAV div to Yenan


Recourse lending
CW stops sending recourses to France
France to CW 6 BPs

Axis win initiative and goes first.

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Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/20/2019 2:48:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer_slith

Thank you. Sounds easy enough.

Can USSR or Japan DoW on others in the future?

Yes, USSR or Japan can DOW on each other. However, they now have a pact and are forbidden to do so during the first year (this year).

Edit: Already answered. [:)]



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/20/2019 3:57:00 PM)

The main peace issues as I can see are:

- USSR needs to conquer Manchuria. Easiest seem to move USSR units into Changchun, and Mukden. Shouldn't really affect USSR transport plans since they only has 1 rail move, and 5 land moves, per impulse. If needed, then the land impulse can be used to add extra land, and rail moves to fix things in Manchuria.
- The 2nd resource in Manchuria should be captured, and the railway to it, for correct production during the next production.
- The Manchurian land units should have been removed during the conquest step, but they remain. They will be automatically removed once Manchuria gets conquered. Easiest seems to be to continue as if they were not on the map and make sure they do not affect things (like partisans and supply). Maybe railing them to a offside hex? Or just move them OOS and then again so that they are disorganized in a unimportant hex. Suggestions?
- The two Japanese units should have been moved to Korea. INF to 69,154, and MTN to hex 66,155. Debug move them? Or try to simulate it? The easiest way to get the MTN out would be to rail it but then it becomes disorganized. Is it safe, and easy, to debug organize the MTN?
-USSR should have been able to build the Manchurian TERR one turn earlier. Is this an issue needed to be considered?

Thoughts?



Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/20/2019 5:49:10 PM)

I can use editing to move units. Let me know if I do it.



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/20/2019 5:54:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer_slith

I can use editing to move units. Let me know if I do it.

I think that would be easiest for the transfer of Japanese units out of Manchuria.

Could you edit the INF to 69,154, and MTN to hex 66,155, and then mail a new save?

The two Manchurian units could be edit moved as well. Perhaps into an unimportant hex in Manchuria (Where they will be removed during conquest) (The hex must be Japanese controlled or I think we will create a bug)



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/21/2019 11:08:07 AM)

No declarations of war.

Land: Germany, Japan
Combined: Italy
Naval:

No port strikes.

Italy fly one LND2 to the 4-box of the Western Mediterranean.

Italy send 4 SUBs to Cape St. Vincent.

Italy initiates combat in CSV. CW can send their NAV2 to CSV. It reaches up to the 2-box. Will the NAV fly?

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Picture from Jul/Aug '40 Impulse #1 (Axis) - Naval Combat



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/21/2019 2:35:36 PM)

The British NAV fly to the 0-box. The SUBs are included in the search.



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/21/2019 2:41:23 PM)

No combat in CSV. Axis roll 7, while Allies roll 10.



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/21/2019 3:01:14 PM)

No strategic bombing.

Germany ground strike two hexes. One 5 strength LND2 versus the Billotte stack (54,31). And one 5 strength LND2, one 2 strength LND2, escorted by one 5 strength FTR2 strike the Georges stack (55,30).

France can intercept with two FTR2, and one FTR3. The 5 strength FTR2 only reach the Georges stack.

Germany can counter-intercept the Georges stack with one FTR3. Germany reach the Billotte stack with two FTR2, and two FTR3.

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Picture from Jul/Aug '40 Impulse #1 (Axis) - Ground Strike



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/21/2019 5:49:31 PM)

The French 3 strength fighter intercepts the unescorted Stuka. Germany send up the Hungarians to protect their bomber.

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Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/21/2019 5:55:29 PM)

First round is inconclusive.

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Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/21/2019 6:00:34 PM)

The Hungarian FTR2 is aborted.

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Picture from Jul/Aug '40 Impulse #1 (Axis) - Ground Strike



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/21/2019 6:04:30 PM)

However, the Hungarian fighters do their job and down the French fighters.

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Picture from Jul/Aug '40 Impulse #1 (Axis) - Ground Strike



Orm -> RE: Rematch 4 player game (Orm, Peskpesk, jjdenver and Mayhemizer) (8/21/2019 6:09:48 PM)

The MECH is disrupted.

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Picture from Jul/Aug '40 Impulse #1 (Axis) - Ground Strike



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