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Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 7:46:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn TAR and FEATHERS!!! Couple Makes More Than $100,000 Reselling Lysol Wipes Amid Coronavirus Fears: “We’re Hustlers” https://balleralert.com/profiles/blogs/couple-makes-more-than-100k-reselling-lysol-wipes-amid-coronavirus/ "A Vancouver couple is capitalizing on the growing hysteria surrounding the spread of coronavirus.⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ According to The Star, Manny Ranga and his wife Violeta Perez parked their Ford F-150 outside of a Costco near downtown Vancouver this week with stacks upon stacks of “Lysol disinfecting wipes.” The couple claimed they’ve made over $100,000 so far with their “business model.” They hit up each Costco retailer within the area, and racked up on as many Lysol wipes and liquid cleaners they could get their hands on, spending thousands of dollars at a time and then reselling them on Amazon under their vendor name “Violeta & Sons Buying and Selling, Ltd.” Ranga revealed that one $20 six-pack of wipes could fetch 4 times as much online. The couple stocked their valued wipes in a storage area on their property, and in turn, resold them for $89." TBH... while I would never do such a thing, I can't really fault them for doing something they're allowed to do. Want that to stop, gotta pass anti-gouging laws like NYC has. Didn't bother to pass anti-gouging laws? Well...

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 7:46:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn TAR and FEATHERS!!! Couple Makes More Than $100,000 Reselling Lysol Wipes Amid Coronavirus Fears: “We’re Hustlers” https://balleralert.com/profiles/blogs/couple-makes-more-than-100k-reselling-lysol-wipes-amid-coronavirus/ "A Vancouver couple is capitalizing on the growing hysteria surrounding the spread of coronavirus.⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ According to The Star, Manny Ranga and his wife Violeta Perez parked their Ford F-150 outside of a Costco near downtown Vancouver this week with stacks upon stacks of “Lysol disinfecting wipes.” The couple claimed they’ve made over $100,000 so far with their “business model.” They hit up each Costco retailer within the area, and racked up on as many Lysol wipes and liquid cleaners they could get their hands on, spending thousands of dollars at a time and then reselling them on Amazon under their vendor name “Violeta & Sons Buying and Selling, Ltd.” Ranga revealed that one $20 six-pack of wipes could fetch 4 times as much online. The couple stocked their valued wipes in a storage area on their property, and in turn, resold them for $89." Well, now people will know where to get it without buying it . . .

Anachro -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 7:48:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna TBH... while I would never do such a thing, I can't really fault them for doing something they're allowed to do. Depends on the state; some states have price gouging laws.

Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 7:49:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Witpqs, I was working on the same chart while you posted it. :) These are some of my thoughts: [image]local://upfiles/8143/FC40E63AA7684293BDD77987E2632879.jpg[/image] Here's a useful explainer to go along with CR's post, and the money shot of the chart contained within the post. https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation [image]https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/DW7Ef4vGboMTtawP1iO4DxAeudk=/0x0:1497x841/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:1497x841):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19780273/flattening_the_curve_final.jpg[/image] It's also useful to point out that this disease has the capability of causing a severe, sudden spike in the need for hospitalization, which is why it can not and should not be compared to the seasonal flu except in the very broadest and historical sense (e.g., "the 1918 flu pandemic killed 675K Americans and COVID-19 killed X Americans" after the fact).

Sammy5IsAlive -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 7:55:12 PM)
I'd be very cautious about taking too much optimism from the Chinese data at this point. All it shows is really what you would expect from a virus of this nature which is that if you lock everything down the increase in case numbers will slow down and indeed will eventually stop. The problem is that at some point those restrictions will have to be lifted and in the absence of any vaccine the case numbers will start to rise again. All of the available information at this point suggests that the only thing that will stop the virus is 'herd immunity' (i.e. the point when enough of the population has had the virus and developed immunity that there are not enough potential carriers to sustain an increase in cases) or a vaccine. If we assume that the latter is some way off then the choice for the governments of affected countries is really one of how you get to that 'herd immunity' point. The thinking of the government here in the UK seems to be based on two assumptions a) that we are in this for the long haul - that both as a nation and as a worldwide population we are past the point where the virus can be contained and isolated. b) that, particularly in the West, there is only so much resilience to large scale shutdowns as we have seen in China both in terms of economic resilience and in terms of public adherence to those types of measures. So by shutting down early you potentially run the risk of getting good short term results but then run the risk of reaching a point where you are no longer able to continue the shutdown either politically and/or economically and are forced to lift the measures just at the point where the virus has most momentum. Put a different way you could have a lower 'critical point' at which you shut things down which will result in repeated short term shut-downs as the case numbers increase and contract. The UK government's thinking seems to be that the more shutdowns you have the less effective and the more economically damaging they will be. If I was going to speculate I would suggest that the UK is aiming to have had enough people infected by October that the virus has become self limiting and they don't have the dual problem of an ongoing CV19 outbreak and the inevitable spike of flu cases we will get next winter. Obviously nobody in a political position can say this but from a UK perspective at least this is the best time to be having an outbreak - the flu season has almost passed so there is the medical capacity to deal with cases and at the same time we are not at summer yet so there are two natural windows either side of summer to allow people to get infected and build the populations immunity, leaving enough political/economic capacity to make a couple of large scale shut downs if things appear to be getting out of hand. The above (and particularly the last paragraph) sounds counter intuitive - how on earth can it be a positive thing for people to be infected? But it is worth remembering that for the large majority of people this is a virus that will be recovered from. I'm by no means cheerleading for what we are doing in the UK. For me there is a very big omission in what we are doing so far in that if you are working on letting the virus spread amongst the healthy population you need to be taking measures to protect the minority of people who are much more at risk - for me (just going off the information that is publicly available) there has not been nearly enough action on this. I would say that my impression is that our approach has very much been driven by the expert medical advice that is being given to the government rather than political expediency (I do not say that as a slight against any other country's approach - more that I am surprised that this is the case from a government and wider political class that, as we have seen with Brexit, has had a tendency to prioritise broadbrush political ideology over the more technical concerns of 'experts')

Anachro -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:03:01 PM)
Let's not forget the Chinese government internally is under enormous pressure to lift the lock down as soon as possible to head off greater domestic economic damage. I definitely wouldn't put it past Xi and others in his council deciding to lift things before they probably should.

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:06:04 PM)
my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans [:@] I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days [:(]

jeffk3510 -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:06:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: alanschu quote: Ha! Read my entire post. Go **** yourself quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Man, Alanshu, your words were uncalled for and unkind. Jeff has a seven-year-old son whose immunity is compromised; so he's unusually vulnerable. I hope you'll apologize. I totally did miss that. I'm sorry JeffK. It's all good man

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:13:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans [:@] I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days [:(] Maybe I should take my limited resources, buy toilet paper, and resell it . . . Personally, I like wide, soft, damp leaves when I am out in the woods . . . But NO leaflets of three . . . [X(]

Zorch -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:14:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans [:@] I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days [:(] Maybe I should take my limited resources, buy toilet paper, and resell it . . . Personally, I like wide, soft, damp leaves when I am out in the woods . . . But NO leaflets of three . . . [X(] You learned that the hard way, I bet....

warspite1 -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:36:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro Let's not forget the Chinese government internally is under enormous pressure to lift the lock down as soon as possible to head off greater domestic economic damage. I definitely wouldn't put it past Xi and others in his council deciding to lift things before they probably should. warspite1 Well I don't know what should be being done for the best, but the above comment is one reason why I am inclined to trust the approach being taken by the UK. It is surely simply impossible to put everything on lockdown for an indeterminate length of time. We are already starting to see some economic impacts - there are some big names apparently in trouble already. And who is to then pronounce when that lock down should be lifted? After all that pain that is a decision that really doesn't need to be got wrong... But who knows? Difficult times indeed and a lot of pain ahead no doubt - even if the more wild scenarios don't come to pass.

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:44:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zorch quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans [:@] I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days [:(] Maybe I should take my limited resources, buy toilet paper, and resell it . . . Personally, I like wide, soft, damp leaves when I am out in the woods . . . But NO leaflets of three . . . [X(] You learned that the hard way, I bet.... Nope, I learned by training . . .

Scott_USN -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:45:03 PM)
Would think this was more deadly and contagious than the swine flu or something. People all over have gone crazy and of course when doctors get on national TV claiming numbers that don't exist (100,000 infected in Ohio) doesn't help.

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:47:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Scott_USN Would think this was more deadly and contagious than the swine flu or something. People all over have gone crazy and of course when doctors get on national TV claiming numbers that don't exist (100,000 infected in Ohio) doesn't help. I think that this is partly to boost their egos and partly to boost their budgets . . . [8\|]

Scott_USN -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 8:49:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: Scott_USN Would think this was more deadly and contagious than the swine flu or something. People all over have gone crazy and of course when doctors get on national TV claiming numbers that don't exist (100,000 infected in Ohio) doesn't help. I think that this is partly to boost their egos and partly to boost their budgets . . . [8\|] Yeah seen a lot of budgets being boosted!

MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 9:12:07 PM)
Here is some fun to deflate the seriousness. I'am in the health care profession and we are having difficulties getting certain things that we buy at the store. As other people walk out with 3 months supply. [:)] People have 6 months of toilet paper and 2 weeks of food. There is so much I could write on current events and how we got here. A fact to ponder: D-Day Men in the 1st wave to hit the beaches were told that casualties would be in the 90 percentile. I've never been able to find any record of someone backing out. Here is something I hope you find funny. I have wised up!!! For the past year I have been doing "Cleaning" within myself. I have turned the core of my thinking back a few hundred years Someone of today's mold might look at me now and say: "He is a racist, misogynist, bigot, ... and all the other bad words of today's world." But NO matter what they call me it contains the word "Man". And I'am drowning in women, 18 to 80. And the ones that disagree with my beliefs are the ones most attracted to me. I will probably be shot by a jealous husband. Someone has to be in that first wave.[:D]

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 9:38:03 PM)
I don't know what you're talking about, Loka. I've never used the term "deep state." I don't know what it means. And I don't know why it's offensive. quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel I started this thread to get insight from the thoughtful members of the community. People like Chiekenboy, who has a particular expertise in this area. But good men couldn't keep themselves under control and became incredibly offensive. I'm out of here. The term "deep state" is itself incredibly offensive and pejorative. I wish you would've scrubbed it from the headline at minimum.

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 9:49:43 PM)
I thought the critical thing in the fight is to flatten the curve, slowing growth, stretching things out over time so that medical facilities aren't overwhelmed at any one time. If that's true, and I think it is, then it's essential to find ways to follow China's example and stop the exponential growth. quote: ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive I'd be very cautious about taking too much optimism from the Chinese data at this point. All it shows is really what you would expect from a virus of this nature which is that if you lock everything down the increase in case numbers will slow down and indeed will eventually stop. The problem is that at some point those restrictions will have to be lifted and in the absence of any vaccine the case numbers will start to rise again. ...

Sammy5IsAlive -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 9:52:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn Here is some fun to deflate the seriousness. I'am in the health care profession and we are having difficulties getting certain things that we buy at the store. As other people walk out with 3 months supply. [:)] People have 6 months of toilet paper and 2 weeks of food. There is so much I could write on current events and how we got here. A fact to ponder: D-Day Men in the 1st wave to hit the beaches were told that casualties would be in the 90 percentile. I've never been able to find any record of someone backing out. Here is something I hope you find funny. I have wised up!!! For the past year I have been doing "Cleaning" within myself. I have turned the core of my thinking back a few hundred years Someone of today's mold might look at me now and say: "He is a racist, misogynist, bigot, ... and all the other bad words of today's world." But NO matter what they call me it contains the word "Man". And I'am drowning in women, 18 to 80. And the ones that disagree with my beliefs are the ones most attracted to me. I will probably be shot by a jealous husband. Someone has to be in that first wave.[:D] That D-Day statistic is indeed sobering - it is why as the last veterans pass away we should strive to ensure that their generation is never forgotten. Perhaps it has some relevance to the current situation in terms of people appreciating that things could be a lot worse. But at the same time you can come at it from a different direction - in terms of total population the fatality rates for the US and UK were 0.32% and 0.94% respectively. The current global CV-19 fatality rate stands at 3.7%. So even if just a quarter of the UK/US population eventually becomes infected you are looking at a WW2 scale loss of life. As an aside, I think whenever discussing WW2 fatality rates it is always worth drawing comparision of the US/UK rates above with the USSR estimated loss of c13-14% of their population and the estimate that roughly half of the pre-war European Jewish population were killed in the Holocaust. As above that is not to denigrate the US/UK and certainly not those that served in the armed forces - I just think it is important to keep in perspective a) the contribution of the USSR, whatever our more recent political differences with them and b) the scale of the Holocaust.

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 9:56:41 PM)
I think only one USA division had combat experience on D-Day. IIRC, the thinking was that raw troops might be more willing to push, as they were facing an unknown. The veterans might be more reluctant, facing the known. I wonder how many Anzio vets there were on D-Day?

Scott_USN -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 10:01:11 PM)
Yep the Big Red 1 was the only combat division that I know of.

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 10:04:31 PM)
One of the airborne divisions (82nd) had seen combat at Sicily and I think around Anzio too, so a sizeable percentage of the airborne troops were vets. But the poor guys on the beaches were mostly untested soldiers from places like Bedford, Virginia.

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 10:12:02 PM)
Korea has reached the point where the number of recoveries is rising dramatically. Three or four days ago, Korea was reporting 51 deaths and 118 recoveries. [image]local://upfiles/8143/7612493D933F486481E173F2DADF5595.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 10:27:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive quote: ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn Here is some fun to deflate the seriousness. I'am in the health care profession and we are having difficulties getting certain things that we buy at the store. As other people walk out with 3 months supply. [:)] People have 6 months of toilet paper and 2 weeks of food. There is so much I could write on current events and how we got here. A fact to ponder: D-Day Men in the 1st wave to hit the beaches were told that casualties would be in the 90 percentile. I've never been able to find any record of someone backing out. Here is something I hope you find funny. I have wised up!!! For the past year I have been doing "Cleaning" within myself. I have turned the core of my thinking back a few hundred years Someone of today's mold might look at me now and say: "He is a racist, misogynist, bigot, ... and all the other bad words of today's world." But NO matter what they call me it contains the word "Man". And I'am drowning in women, 18 to 80. And the ones that disagree with my beliefs are the ones most attracted to me. I will probably be shot by a jealous husband. Someone has to be in that first wave.[:D] That D-Day statistic is indeed sobering - it is why as the last veterans pass away we should strive to ensure that their generation is never forgotten. Perhaps it has some relevance to the current situation in terms of people appreciating that things could be a lot worse. But at the same time you can come at it from a different direction - in terms of total population the fatality rates for the US and UK were 0.32% and 0.94% respectively. The current global CV-19 fatality rate stands at 3.7%. So even if just a quarter of the UK/US population eventually becomes infected you are looking at a WW2 scale loss of life. As an aside, I think whenever discussing WW2 fatality rates it is always worth drawing comparision of the US/UK rates above with the USSR estimated loss of c13-14% of their population and the estimate that roughly half of the pre-war European Jewish population were killed in the Holocaust. As above that is not to denigrate the US/UK and certainly not those that served in the armed forces - I just think it is important to keep in perspective a) the contribution of the USSR, whatever our more recent political differences with them and b) the scale of the Holocaust. With so little food, why do they need that much toilet paper?

obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 10:28:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel I thought the critical thing in the fight is to flatten the curve, slowing growth, stretching things out over time so that medical facilities aren't overwhelmed at any one time. If that's true, and I think it is, then it's essential to find ways to follow China's example and stop the exponential growth. quote: ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive I'd be very cautious about taking too much optimism from the Chinese data at this point. All it shows is really what you would expect from a virus of this nature which is that if you lock everything down the increase in case numbers will slow down and indeed will eventually stop. The problem is that at some point those restrictions will have to be lifted and in the absence of any vaccine the case numbers will start to rise again. ... The UK ‘s top medical advisor just wrote an article explaining the rationale. Can’t link now from the phone but it’s similar to the explanation above. You can’t isolate and distance forever. They’re banking on the idea they can delay the growth, flatten the curve but also get people exposed through the next three or four months so that there won’t be another bigger wave later as with the 1918 flu. Spot on about needing more visible care for vulnerable and that this may not actually be the best choice; it’s a gamble. The private sector though is ramping down and large gatherings are being cancelled as well as people changing behavioral patterns. Testing is not widespread and I think that may be to quell panic and allow the govt to trade difficulty now for a perceived better immunity later. But Boris did say he thinks there could be 10k cases here right now. I think it’s going to be a hard few months and we may not know if it’s worth it until this time next year.

Sammy5IsAlive -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 10:28:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Korea has reached the point where the number of recoveries is rising dramatically. Three or four days ago, Korea was reporting 51 deaths and 118 recoveries. [image]local://upfiles/8143/7612493D933F486481E173F2DADF5595.jpg[/image] Even with Italy levels of mortality you have 93% of people recovering. So in every affected country you'll see a big spike of recoveries at some point (c. 14 days?) after the virus started really gathering speed in terms of infections.

obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 10:32:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Korea has reached the point where the number of recoveries is rising dramatically. Three or four days ago, Korea was reporting 51 deaths and 118 recoveries. [image]local://upfiles/8143/7612493D933F486481E173F2DADF5595.jpg[/image] Even with Italy levels of mortality you have 93% of people recovering. So in every affected country you'll see a big spike of recoveries at some point (c. 14 days?) after the virus started really gathering speed in terms of infections. A lot of people have a mild case for up to eight days. Some can still turn serious that late and go downhill fast. So a case might be contracted, have 3-7 days before symptoms show up, then 5-8 days before it turns serious or gets better, then if bad another battle for 7-14 days until recovery or not. In some cases people are in this for 3-4 weeks.

Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 10:44:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel I don't know what you're talking about, Loka. I've never used the term "deep state." I don't know what it means. And I don't know why it's offensive. quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel I started this thread to get insight from the thoughtful members of the community. People like Chiekenboy, who has a particular expertise in this area. But good men couldn't keep themselves under control and became incredibly offensive. I'm out of here. The term "deep state" is itself incredibly offensive and pejorative. I wish you would've scrubbed it from the headline at minimum. Please disregard the direction (although not the content) of my comment - I mistook the author of the post.

BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 11:08:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Yup - toilet paper is getting to be a prized commodity. [image]local://upfiles/16754/D4F00C344A6F4EA992B6384DE98BB6CE.jpg[/image] I would only byy the unused half of that toilet paper roll ...[:'(]

BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/13/2020 11:16:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn TAR and FEATHERS!!! Couple Makes More Than $100,000 Reselling Lysol Wipes Amid Coronavirus Fears: “We’re Hustlers” https://balleralert.com/profiles/blogs/couple-makes-more-than-100k-reselling-lysol-wipes-amid-coronavirus/ "A Vancouver couple is capitalizing on the growing hysteria surrounding the spread of coronavirus.⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ According to The Star, Manny Ranga and his wife Violeta Perez parked their Ford F-150 outside of a Costco near downtown Vancouver this week with stacks upon stacks of “Lysol disinfecting wipes.” The couple claimed they’ve made over $100,000 so far with their “business model.” They hit up each Costco retailer within the area, and racked up on as many Lysol wipes and liquid cleaners they could get their hands on, spending thousands of dollars at a time and then reselling them on Amazon under their vendor name “Violeta & Sons Buying and Selling, Ltd.” Ranga revealed that one $20 six-pack of wipes could fetch 4 times as much online. The couple stocked their valued wipes in a storage area on their property, and in turn, resold them for $89." What you have described is a business enterprise, and the couple should have registered their business with local authorities and prepared books of their activity for the IRS so they can pay the appropriate taxes. If they have not done so, I hope they get caught. This is a smaller version of that Pharmacy company CEO who jacked up the price of Epi-pens (adrenalin for allergic reactions) by 6X just because his company held a monopoly on the product. It's immoral and probably illegal somewhere in the laws and precedents of the country.

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