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rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (3/30/2021 11:45:27 PM)

Well I prefer the damage that I do at 6K and it looks like his main AA unit has heavy guns that I'm probably not going to fly above. Will see how this goes for now.

4 more air attacks this turn (Aug 1):

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RangerJoe -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (3/31/2021 3:41:19 AM)

I guess that you are right to do so since those 2 pdr AAA and/or those 40mm Bofors AAA that are inherent in the Indian infantry divisions do not fire at your bombers. The US Marines may also hae inherent AAA which does not fire either. My mistake . . .




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (3/31/2021 5:56:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I guess that you are right to do so since those 2 pdr AAA and/or those 40mm Bofors AAA that are inherent in the Indian infantry divisions do not fire at your bombers. The US Marines may also hae inherent AAA which does not fire either. My mistake . . .


Why would they not fire at my bombers?




RangerJoe -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (3/31/2021 1:05:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rader


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I guess that you are right to do so since those 2 pdr AAA and/or those 40mm Bofors AAA that are inherent in the Indian infantry divisions do not fire at your bombers. The US Marines may also hae inherent AAA which does not fire either. My mistake . . .


Why would they not fire at my bombers?


I was being facetious. With the lighter AAA in the other units, that is at least equivilent to a light AAA regiment. Why let those guns shoot at you if you don't have to?




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (3/31/2021 5:13:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: rader


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I guess that you are right to do so since those 2 pdr AAA and/or those 40mm Bofors AAA that are inherent in the Indian infantry divisions do not fire at your bombers. The US Marines may also hae inherent AAA which does not fire either. My mistake . . .


Why would they not fire at my bombers?


I was being facetious. With the lighter AAA in the other units, that is at least equivilent to a light AAA regiment. Why let those guns shoot at you if you don't have to?


Ah right. Well I'm sure I would definitely take less flak damage at higher altitudes but I would also inflict less damage on his troops. All I'm saying is that in this case I *think* the tradeoff is better to take a bit more flak damage to inflict a bit more losses. But not 100% sure.




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (3/31/2021 9:28:03 PM)

Aug 2, 1943.

Today no apparent flak at all, and decent damage inflicted. Lack of supply for AA rounds?

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RangerJoe -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (3/31/2021 11:27:37 PM)

Look at the disruption which the fires and smoke shows.




PaxMondo -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/1/2021 4:25:43 AM)

50 damaged seems like a lot of flak to me ....




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/1/2021 6:57:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

50 damaged seems like a lot of flak to me ....


Hmm yeah I just mean no flak bursts in the combat animation. But seems like the flak did something for sure.




PaxMondo -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/1/2021 11:05:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rader


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

50 damaged seems like a lot of flak to me ....


Hmm yeah I just mean no flak bursts in the combat animation. But seems like the flak did something for sure.

ok, now that's weird .... have to think about that. you should have seen flak bursts .... not balloons at that altitude, so ...




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/1/2021 8:20:55 PM)

Hmm, interesting occurrence. My partner/opponent Richard isn't happy with the ground bombing. He sent me this note with the latest turn:

Note:

Small point

En masse ground bombing with medium bombers at 6000 feet when you can produce as many Helens as you want (1/2 bomb load of an allied HB), and I can't bomb with my limited pool of heavy bombers at below 10000 feet is a little bit exploitive I feel

Here's my reply:

Hmm, that never even occurred to me, but happy to discuss.

In my late war games, ground (and airfield) bombing is the bane of the Japanese and I expect it to shred my forces in 1944+ - which is precisely why I asked for a HR to limit it to 10K feet. I thought it was acceptable here because I expected to be on the receiving end of it later. From my perspective, it's also well within the acceptable but annoying pain of having to live with unstoppable night bombing that just chews up my fighters for negligible bomber loss. I expect that to wreck my cities eventually. Seems like the problem here really is terrain - in clear terrain, ground bombing is uber effective. In bad terrain, it doesn't do much. But I'd be ok with some kind of limit on both side for medium bombers too - altitude? Limit of 10K or 15K for all level bombers on ground bombing? What do you think makes sense?

Question:
Any thoughts on what should be done here? I'm sympathetic to his point but I think the Japanese player also has to put up with a lot of Allied uber-bomber stuff so not sure what the best compromise is.




RangerJoe -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/1/2021 9:49:33 PM)

He gets medium bombers plus attack bombers. Have a rule where the attack bombers have to fly at 6k or higher. [8|]




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/4/2021 11:59:11 PM)

August 6, 1943.

More bombing in Burma and this time Allied fighter sweeps next to Japanese bases that resulted in approximately equal losses in Allied and Japanese fighters.

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rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 12:26:30 AM)

I haven't been able to get these Bettys to fly a mission to mine Darwin's port. It's been over 10 turns and nothing. Tried both day and night. Plenty of type 3 mines in the pool. Any ideas?

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Dili -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 6:31:10 AM)

You need at least size 6 airbase.




DesertWolf101 -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 8:35:21 AM)

Good idea to double check the mines are not stockpiled too.




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 4:19:28 PM)

Level 9 undamaged airfield, mines not being stockpiled. The only thing I can think of is this group had low skill/experience because it was a test to see if it would work and I didn't want to risk very good pilots. Maybe there's a skill/experience check that they kept failing?




Dili -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 4:50:28 PM)

What about supply, maybe a threshold there?




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 4:54:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dili

What about supply, maybe a threshold there?


Tons of supply.




Dili -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 5:02:34 PM)

Ok, i am out of ideas...




BBfanboy -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 5:05:14 PM)

Is Dili (the base, not the forumite) within the normal range threshold from Darwin for the Bettys?




Alfred -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 5:13:23 PM)

Toggle off the torpedo.

Alfred




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/5/2021 5:32:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Toggle off the torpedo.

Alfred


Great, will try that! Do I need to worry about Flak & fighters at Darwin? Can/should I fly at night? Does altitude matter?




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/6/2021 1:48:36 AM)

August 8, 1943.

Alert Alert!

Enemy task forces spotted heading toward Japanese bases in the Arafura sea. Definitely accompanied by heavy enemy carrier cover, but by the APA spotted, likely an invasion of somewhere. Japanese forces reacting to intervene.

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BBfanboy -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/6/2021 6:02:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rader


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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Toggle off the torpedo.

Alfred


Great, will try that! Do I need to worry about Flak & fighters at Darwin? Can/should I fly at night? Does altitude matter?

Last I heard, mine missions have a "drop to altitude to launch" profile, just like a torpedo mission. I think they drop to 3000 feet. Set whatever approach altitude you like.




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/6/2021 7:14:46 PM)

Aug 9, 1943.

Well he's ashore in good order with 14 units at Taberfane. Hard to say his exact strength but with 45K troops and 845 AFVs, likely well enough to secure the place against the two Japanese brigades and base forces.

Heavy battles in the air in Burma, Solomons and over the only Japanese surface TF in the area around Kai-eilanden. Lots of air losses on both sides. Higher for the Japanese, but probably better aircraft for the Allies so the disparity isn't as bad as it looks.

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rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/6/2021 7:22:52 PM)

Can you sweep a friendly base if it contains enemy troops? I assume not...




rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/6/2021 7:25:20 PM)

In Burma, he used to old sacrificial unit trick to block the movement of my forces that were going to expel his offending units. I guess that makes up for my "gamey bombing" [:'(]

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rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/7/2021 8:04:45 PM)

August 10, 1943.

Well Gardner's Horse Regiment was fed into the slaughterhouse today. Looks like he's moving another sacrificial unit blocker to protect his main force. Let's see who's next on the dinner plate.

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rader -> RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) (4/7/2021 8:09:00 PM)

And he easily secured Taberfane. Japanese adjusted defense was 67!? That's kind of strange given Jungle terrain and level 3 forts (before engineers). They must have been ridiculously disrupted but the shore bombardment didn't look all that bad.

I'm guessing he will move on to take Dobo overland next. It always seems that Allied players like to press through the Arafura sea. Much more effective than the historical Solomons option it seems.

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