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Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 11:44:30 AM)

Getting some practical experience with off map movement. Rookie stuff for most AFBs.

Nice to see shakedown cruises working off map.



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Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 12:21:29 PM)

Burma feeding China...



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Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 12:24:51 PM)

Please don't take this post the wrong way. It is not statistical proof. It is a working assumption.

I know all the caveats, sample size, conflating variables, and I am far too lazy to attempt anything serious...so take this with a huge grain of salt.

I am not here to prove anything to you, nor do I want to...but for your consideration:



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Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 12:33:15 PM)

Nimitz is now in charge at Pearl...no other leadership changes made. I should clarify that Nimitz is in charge of the Command HQ at Pearl.[;)]

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DesertWolf101 -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 1:51:01 PM)

Can you clarify a bit more Lowpe? If leadership does not help training, are you suggesting that another trait helps more? Admin perhaps?



Q-Ball -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 3:41:56 PM)

I always thought it was Inspiration. When I am in training, I need to be INSPIRED!



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 3:52:21 PM)

Trying to finish off the turn and a power blip caused me to lose about 45 minutes...argh. I remember now why I liked doing the turns on a laptop.[:)]



RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 3:59:09 PM)

Get an Auxillery Power Supply.

Are your fighters in training flying at 1000 feet?

Counterattack and destroy the Kanno Det., as I recall it is highly trained and part of the 48th Division.



BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 4:28:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Burma feeding China...



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China has very little refinery capacity that the oil can flow to. No point sending oil there - they produce about as much as their refinery capacity, unless that changed in this mod.



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 5:26:10 PM)

Allied Codebreakers are just simple cheats....Japan foolishly changes prep for Mauban. Let us see what the Boise can do under a new Captain!

Also picked up the Wake Island invasion force I guess...

Looks like reinforcements headed to Iba...dare I attack? Nothing ventured nothing gained!



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Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 5:27:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Burma feeding China...



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China has very little refinery capacity that the oil can flow to. No point sending oil there - they produce about as much as their refinery capacity, unless that changed in this mod.


Well, I hadn't checked yet, but if Urumchi gets cut off? Lanchow and Sian.

Anyhow, I think I might like it in China than Burma.







Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 5:29:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesertWolf101

Can you clarify a bit more Lowpe? If leadership does not help training, are you suggesting that another trait helps more? Admin perhaps?


I could, but I won't until later.[;)]



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 7:59:48 PM)

Two bits of info here....

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Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 8:22:47 PM)

China

I checked and BB is right about the oil...overall a slight surplus, but oil cannot be bombed out once pumped. So if the IJ bomb the oil to stop the refineries, I would have a small cushion to draw from if I can get oil to flow from Burma to China.

Once the fuel is gone, that is about half of China's daily supply generation.



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RADM.Yamaguchi -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 8:27:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesertWolf101

Can you clarify a bit more Lowpe? If leadership does not help training, are you suggesting that another trait helps more? Admin perhaps?

i saved this from WITP. I guess it doesn't apply to WITP-AE?

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RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 8:52:22 PM)

I always thought that a higher aggression would be like "Damn the torpedoes, FULL SPEED AHEAD!"

Whereas a lower aggression would mean something like "feminine courage" per Thomas Hobbes in reference to a man.



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 9:10:40 PM)

This is from an old thread...for your consideration, you might recognize the posters you oldtimers:


ORIGINAL: treespider

Would be curious to see if Leader - Admin skill has any impact as well...

Actually I tested with an enhanced Tracker version taking account of the groups experience levels in the various categories; testing alt, range, leaders,exp etc etc ...

And nothing made much of a difference ... that is to say that within the statistical +/- 2% nothing was gained ...It's a pity really.

_____________________________

-Damian-




And from the Pilot Addendum, which is also quite old:

7. Training
Skill and experience training has been changed slightly. They both increase
incrementally.

Points are accumulated for each skill/experience and once a certain level is reached, a
point is added to the actual skill/experience level.

The cutover level is based on the current skill/experience level with some randomness
thrown in. So as the skill/experience level increases, it takes more accumulated points
to reach the next level.

Combat gains points faster than straight training, and combat is generally required to
reach 70+ skill/experience levels.

Experience levels behave like skill levels with the one exception.
If the Experience level is higher than the best skill by more than 5, then a skill, based
on the group’s mission, might gains the accumulated points instead.

Groups can fly normal Training missions (with a training percent) which occur in the
AM and PM air phases. These gain both skill and experience points.

Groups will also gain skill and experience (after passing a training check against the
training percent of the group) at the end of each day:
1. if the pilot’s experience is less 50 (plus pilot’s missions and kills) and less
than the overall group experience level
2. if the pilot’s experience is less 50 (plus pilot’s missions and kills) and less
than the leader’s skill
3. if pilot is in a dedicated Training group with some Instructors (adds higher
increments to accumulators)
4. if pilot is in a dedicated Training group without Instructors (higher success
and slightly higher increments than a normal group)
5. if pilot is in a group with some training percent (number of veteran pilots
(experience of 80+) increases chance of successful training)




Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/12/2020 9:28:11 PM)

And from Alfred, perhaps my favorite:

(a) leader qualities are a matrix. Do not assume leadership is the only relevant one here.



Alfred -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 7:21:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

This is from an old thread...for your consideration, you might recognize the posters you oldtimers:


ORIGINAL: treespider

Would be curious to see if Leader - Admin skill has any impact as well...

Actually I tested with an enhanced Tracker version taking account of the groups experience levels in the various categories; testing alt, range, leaders,exp etc etc ...

And nothing made much of a difference ... that is to say that within the statistical +/- 2% nothing was gained ...It's a pity really.

_____________________________

-Damian-

...




Although well short of the 20 years registration mark, I do qualify as an AE "oldtimer". As such it is my responsibility to guide the young whippersnapperrs out there.

Treespifer is one of the AE devs. His main responsibility was to write up the AE manual.

Damian is one of the two developers of the third party app Tracker. As the Tracker devs were given some inside information re the game code, they were required to sign Non -Disclosure Agreements.

Alfred



Alfred -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 7:23:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

And from Alfred, perhaps my favorite:

(a) leader qualities are a matrix. Do not assume leadership is the only relevant one here.


Ah yes, one of my better Zen like pronouncements. Would have been improved even further had I added "let the force guide you".

Alfred



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 11:59:56 AM)

Supplying China...

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Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 12:27:58 PM)

Offensive moves this 2 day turn:

Boise is making a flank run into Mauban, should arrive at night, to intercept the IJN invasion fleet...she will then head east to meet up with a large xak holding far off the east coast of Luzon to refuel.

RN Destroyers at Wenchow, are steaming by Okinawa and will meet up with Boise and the large merchant ship in the middle of the Philippine Sea. Should have done another flank speed run here...but didn't. They are probably in trouble.

Two Cat squadrons are set to torpedo attack, at very short range 2, from Bataan to nail invasion fleets at Iba or Mauban. Abundant torpedoes are provided as is search.

The P40s with 500# bombs are set to strafe the beaches, again at very short ranges.

PT boat squadrons, two of them, and the two undamaged Clemsons are looking to intercept IJN cruisers near Busanga, before heading south west to Balikpapen.

Enterprise and Lady Lex are joining forces, and risking a sub attack by steaming past Wake Island to chase down the Wake Island invasion force. This is pretty risky move, plus I am violating the air coordination rule because I fear subs more and really don't need air coordination at this time. The fighters from Wake have relocated to the Deathstar! [:D]

The Deathstar, well a cruiser and several destroyers were spotted last turn by IJN sub, will continue heading west...perhaps all the way to Guam and then peel off to the South East. I am hoping they act like bait for the KB which is at Midway or that they go dark and get some licks in on invasion convoys or better yet some of the IJN battleships that start on Honshu transiting to Truk. They will get fuel eventually by merchant ships.

If the Deathstar performs as expected, and avoids subs (a big IF), then the route will be clear to reinforce Wake, Midway and take Marcus. The goal in taking those bases, is twofold: to use them to generate a favorable VP ratio and two throw a monkey wrench into IJ timing during the amphibious landing phase.

Supply ship has left Pearl for Luzon. Task Forces are streaming away from Pearl and the West Coast to support the Wake Relief and Marcus operations.





Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 12:45:49 PM)

Here you can see the early supply shipping. I suspect the US is high because lots of groups are loading supply but haven't yet picked a destination. Some supply isn't on the list since I have picked an empty spot in the ocean to remain on station -- there is a total of 418K supply loaded on to task forces. Allies![X(][:D]



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BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 1:22:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The P40s with 500# bombs are set to strafe the beaches, again at very short ranges.


I think using the P-40Es on Naval Attack at 100 or 1000 feet is more productive. I have done this consistently during my defence of the Philippines and messed up a lot of the ships bringing in troops and equipment. But one time, they concentrated on an IJN CA (one of the Ashigara class IIRC) and sank it with 36 bomb hits! The CA did not have many supporting vessels for AA and was in the only TF in range.



Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 1:25:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The P40s with 500# bombs are set to strafe the beaches, again at very short ranges.


I think using the P-40Es on Naval Attack at 100 or 1000 feet is more productive. I have done this consistently during my defence of the Philippines and messed up a lot of the ships bringing in troops and equipment. But one time, they concentrated on an IJN CA (one of the Ashigara class IIRC) and sank it with 36 bomb hits! The CA did not have many supporting vessels for AA and was in the only TF in range.


Sorry, I was unlcear...that is what I am doing. Not set to ground attack...but that might have been worth it for one squadron to strafe the Kanno Det prior to a shock attack. Worried that Japan will unload lots of troops during the nights and my poor Stuarts will get eaten alive.[X(]

I thought about having the two Clemson destroyers visit Iba, but decided they could shield the thundering herd...save more VP that way, and they might even escape themselves.

I should add, that as Japan I really like it when the P40s, Cats, do naval attacks this early. Easy to shred.[;)] Far more difficult to handle is when they flee to Cebu area...



RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 1:27:35 PM)

You will soon have a problem with ships and supplies. Not enough ships to move all of the supplies. [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] Isn't that a terrible thing to do to some who usually plays Japan? [sm=00000436.gif]



Encircled -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 1:33:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

You will soon have a problem with ships and supplies. Not enough ships to move all of the supplies. [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif] Isn't that a terrible thing to do to some who usually plays Japan? [sm=00000436.gif]


The logistics of the allies is so different from that of Japan, but just as important.

Certainly in '42 you won't have enough ships to do what you want to do.



Bif1961 -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 3:09:06 PM)

An Army and the entire Empire travels on it's logistics.



BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 6:54:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The P40s with 500# bombs are set to strafe the beaches, again at very short ranges.


I think using the P-40Es on Naval Attack at 100 or 1000 feet is more productive. I have done this consistently during my defence of the Philippines and messed up a lot of the ships bringing in troops and equipment. But one time, they concentrated on an IJN CA (one of the Ashigara class IIRC) and sank it with 36 bomb hits! The CA did not have many supporting vessels for AA and was in the only TF in range.


Sorry, I was unlcear...that is what I am doing. Not set to ground attack...but that might have been worth it for one squadron to strafe the Kanno Det prior to a shock attack. Worried that Japan will unload lots of troops during the nights and my poor Stuarts will get eaten alive.[X(]

I thought about having the two Clemson destroyers visit Iba, but decided they could shield the thundering herd...save more VP that way, and they might even escape themselves.

I should add, that as Japan I really like it when the P40s, Cats, do naval attacks this early. Easy to shred.[;)] Far more difficult to handle is when they flee to Cebu area...


It depends on how diligent he is about providing CAP for all of his landings. Good luck with your counter-strikes!

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Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 7:54:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

It depends on how diligent he is about providing CAP for all of his landings. Good luck with your counter-strikes!





Well, whatever happened, it is done.

I worry about the enemy subs near Wake the most.



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