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RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/13/2020 9:14:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bif1961 An Army and the entire Empire travels on it's logistics. The US Army travels in spite of its stomach (logistics!)

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 4:50:55 AM)
December 11th, 1941 Action all over the Philippines... Culminates in a daring all out attack spearheaded by the 192nd and 194th Tank Battalion crashing into the Kanno Detachment, that is subsequently wiped out by attrition. Iba is in uncontested Allied hands once again! Ground combat at Iba (78,75) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 4725 troops, 51 guns, 210 vehicles, Assault Value = 229 Defending force 1248 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 43 Allied adjusted assault: 254 Japanese adjusted defense: 10 Allied assault odds: 25 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 564 casualties reported Squads: 19 destroyed, 39 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 18 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 192nd Tank Battalion 31st PA Infantry Division 194th Tank Battalion 1st PI Base Force Defending units: Kanno Det [image]local://upfiles/44178/862D42118D224F4E9B6149ABC76E3088.jpg[/image] Ran out of space for all the combat reports in the graphic, last attack of the day: Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 3 Allied aircraft P-40E Warhawk x 20 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged Japanese Ships xAK Atlas Maru, Shell hits 5 xAK Maya Maru, Shell hits 6, Bomb hits 2, on fire xAK Siraha Maru, Shell hits 2, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires xAK Sydney Maru xAK Kuwayama Maru, Shell hits 3, Bomb hits 1 xAK Shirogane Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire xAK Pacific Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fi

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 4:56:51 AM)
West of Wake Island, Lady Lex and Big E turn into the wind, launching a coordinated strike on the IJN's invasion task force....glorious! Morning Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 131,98 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2-N Rufe x 8 Allied aircraft SB2U-3 Vindicator x 15 SBD-2 Dauntless x 44 SBD-3 Dauntless x 14 TBD-1 Devastator x 26 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged TBD-1 Devastator: 2 damaged Japanese Ships CL Tenryu, Bomb hits 2, on fire AMC Kinryu Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage AMC Amagi Maru, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage AMC Kongo Maru, Bomb hits 8, and is sunk CL Tatsuta, Bomb hits 2, on fire DD Mochizuki CL Yubari, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Mutsuki PB Kaikei Maru, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk PB Fukui Maru PB Kaiun Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk DD Hayate Japanese ground losses: 692 casualties reported Squads: 22 destroyed, 23 disabled Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 36 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 13 (5 destroyed, 8 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 6 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 11 x TBD-1 Devastator bombing from 5000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 2 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 14 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 15 x TBD-1 Devastator bombing from 5000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb 7 x SB2U-3 Vindicator releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 12 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SB2U-3 Vindicator releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SB2U-3 Vindicator releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb CAP engaged: 790 Ku-K 28 with A6M2-N Rufe (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 6 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 13000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AMC Kongo Maru Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AMC Kinryu Maru Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Tenryu Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AMC Amagi Maru Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Yubari Heavy smoke from fires obscuring PB Kaikei Maru Heavy smoke from fires obscuring PB Kaiun Maru [image]local://upfiles/44178/B0C9E762C1824AC19EEEDE0BCB853864.jpg[/image]

BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:00:17 AM)
Very nice results! Go Boise! Go Houston! Hit them again Cats! [:)] Edit: Just saw your post about Wake. Again - good to see so early! Do you intend to stay and finish cripples/fleeing ships? Would be nice to see those three CLs go down, even if they are weak ones.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:03:48 AM)
Dec 12, 1941 During the predawn darkness the American Deathstar ([8\|]) collides with the IJN's Wake Invasion Fleet...and both task forces evade combat...but it is enough to scare the American Commanders into re-routing to Pearl Harbor -- and that way lies the IJN KB![X(] Meanwhile, American S-39 follow the Dutch example and score some successes: Submarine attack near Iwo-jima at 106,81 Japanese Ships xAKL Taganoura Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-39 Submarine attack near Iwo-jima at 106,81 Japanese Ships xAKL Toshin Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-39 xAKL Toshin Maru is sighted by SS S-39 SS S-39 launches 4 torpedoes at xAKL Toshin Maru -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Iwo-jima at 106,81 Japanese Ships xAKL Taganoura Maru, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-39 Captain of SS S-39 elects not to launch torpedoes at this target Submarine attack near Iwo-jima at 106,81 Japanese Ships xAKL Shuntai Maru, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-39 xAKL Shuntai Maru is sighted by SS S-39 SS S-39 attacking xAKL Shuntai Maru on the surface SS S-39 low on gun ammo, King W. breaks off surface engagement and submerges

apbarog -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:03:55 AM)
Good job Lowpe! Always nice to watch a master at work. Your aggressive actions will set the tone for the rest of the war. Your opponent will be more cautious, moving slower and committing more cover for his future moves. That's as big a success as the ships that your sinking and the ground troops that you are destroying. Nice work.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:06:59 AM)
They gave their lives for the Thundering Herd...it was a difficult decision Admiral Hart made, sending them to their deaths...but the Thundering Herd is past the Dutch ASW screens and steaming into Balikpapen for the most part -- some had other orders of course. Day Time Surface Combat, near Culion at 76,80, Range 24,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Maya CA Ashigara CL Kuma DD Asakaze DD Matsukaze Allied Ships PT Q-111 PT Q-112, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT Q-113, Shell hits 1, and is sunk Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards Day Time Surface Combat, near Busuanga at 76,81, Range 19,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Maya CA Ashigara CL Kuma DD Asakaze DD Matsukaze Allied Ships PT-31 PT-32 PT-33 PT-34, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-35, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT-41, Shell hits 3, and is sunk Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:10:23 AM)
It was Pity that saved the tankers from the rightful wrath of the Boise. "Pity, we have no more ammo" cursed Captain Hanson. Day Time Surface Combat, near Babeldaob at 95,87, Range 24,000 Yards Japanese Ships TK Nissan Maru TK Ryuei Maru TK Zuiyo Maru Allied Ships CL Boise Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards Range closes to 23,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 23,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 23,000 yards Both TF attempt to withdraw! Range increases to 26,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat [image]local://upfiles/44178/A82838568D004C5FB20399ED27A7506E.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:12:32 AM)
The Dutch seek to get revenge for the pitiful Prince of Wales...they had to try, but get a consolation prize. ASW attack near Singora at 51,72 Japanese Ships BB Haruna BB Kongo CA Atago CA Takao CL Jintsu DD Michishio DD Oshio DD Asashio DD Hibiki DD Akatsuki DD Arashio Allied Ships SS KXVII, hits 3 SS KXVII is sighted by escort DD Hibiki fails to find sub and abandons search DD Akatsuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Arashio attacking submerged sub .... DD Akatsuki fails to find sub and abandons search DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Arashio attacking submerged sub .... DD Arashio fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Singora at 51,72 Japanese Ships xAK Kenyo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships SS KXVII Japanese ground losses: 22 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled xAK Kenyo Maru is sighted by SS KXVII SS KXVII launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Kenyo Maru

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:16:57 AM)
Crossed orders, a 1/3rd of a Chinese Corp forces the river at Ichang, while the rest of the Chinese units watch. But the river crossing is now open... Ground combat at Ichang (83,48) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 3816 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1520 Defending force 15201 troops, 116 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 549 Allied adjusted assault: 0 Japanese adjusted defense: 1805 Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 1376 casualties reported Squads: 63 destroyed, 50 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled) [image]local://upfiles/44178/3F50F051D9F64C14805BBF496FFCD95F.jpg[/image]

BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:23:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Crossed orders, a 1/3rd of a Chinese Corp forces the river at Ichang, while the rest of the Chinese units watch. But the river crossing is now open... Ground combat at Ichang (83,48) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 3816 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1520 Defending force 15201 troops, 116 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 549 Allied adjusted assault: 0 Japanese adjusted defense: 1805 Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 1376 casualties reported Squads: 63 destroyed, 50 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled) [image]local://upfiles/44178/3F50F051D9F64C14805BBF496FFCD95F.jpg[/image] Classic SNAFU - happens to everyone who has a few hundred thousand clicks per turn ...[:(]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:23:44 AM)
Vice Admiral Brown is no Halsey...he lost his nerve after running into the IJN's Wake Invasion fleet at night, and disobeyed orders -- instead he decided to turn tail to Pearl as Guam fell the previous day. (Have to be more careful with 2 day turns![X(]) [image]local://upfiles/44178/BB9F8D54BE8F4074A065A94DB60D2889.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:39:03 AM)
Pilot training 2 Days does not an assumption make when it is as complicated as pilot training. I would like to say that Nimitz is the only thing that changed, but runway service improved, weather changed, fatigue, etc, etc. Still, it is a marked improvement. [image]local://upfiles/44178/C1C4E9D4C6DE47298BC9EE4677C78303.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 5:44:25 AM)
Butchers Bill [image]local://upfiles/44178/0C3BEC2E504C435F91C072CD791DDCC4.jpg[/image]

Encircled -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 6:32:43 AM)
Good shooting there by everyone That is one of the early allied turns where you know that its going to put doubt in the mind of the Japanese commander. No CAP on any of the attacked convoys in the Philippines?

jdsrae -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 8:55:04 AM)
Congrats on sinking the Fukko Maru! Sometimes it seems to take air units a few days of being set to train before they find the training manuals, dust them off and setup the classrooms and �simulators�.

RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 10:57:10 AM)
It looks like someone grabbed a tiger by the tail . . . Cruisers and maybe even a CS? [&o] Since you apparently spotted her you should check out the stats on some of those AMCs. [:D]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 11:38:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Since you apparently spotted her you should check out the stats on some of those AMCs. [:D] I wondered who else would spot that. Here is Houston, able to survive a flank speed 2 day run after taking two torpedoes. [image]local://upfiles/44178/9B2E59D1FCA3477298E628656AC36E64.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 11:56:14 AM)
Unless Japan starts moving very fast, the focus of the Japanese amphibious phase is going to be on Sumatra and Malaya. Stole half of Java's supply (over 50K) and it is shipping to Sumatra and Singers. 10K has already arrived. Sparrow Btln is four days away from Sumatra...There are a lot of troops and supplies from all over the western map headed here. Dutch PT boats are at Batavia, and will be able to easily make Palembang. Palembang is mined, might be a mistake to mine it so early. Dutch sub minelayers are at sea with mines awaiting opportunities. [image]local://upfiles/44178/C3984C103F0546B3B6B3D30C176DC472.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:06:48 PM)
I never had luck with mines at Palembang. Maybe because it is a river hex.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:08:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jdsrae Sometimes it seems to take air units a few days of being set to train before they find the training manuals, dust them off and setup the classrooms and �simulators�. When a squadron initially starts training, all the pilots have 0 points accumulated...and they need to earn points to advance in skill or experience -- so there is a lag before you see results. Generally speaking you can train to 60 skill very quickly, about 30 days. Going from 60 to 70 takes generally 2 more months. Of great interest is Draper A. A five point jump!

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:09:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe I never had luck with mines at Palembang. Maybe because it is a river hex. Correct. I was trying to find some CD guns to get there...

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:20:46 PM)
This is what 3 undamaged AS's can do to a submarine in 2 days at a level 1 port with no naval support squads. [image]local://upfiles/44178/D2F9AD25EB5B4E16853026440DD885E9.jpg[/image]

Q-Ball -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:22:07 PM)
Nice work, though I would never attempt a Wake Invasion at this point as Japan.....USN CVs are too close. That's one thing you lose by not doing a PH strike, Wake is easy to cover after PH because KB can just show up and scare everyone off on the way back to Truk

DesertWolf101 -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:26:57 PM)
I'm confused why Scout is including AOs and TKs in or near the invasion convoys.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:29:58 PM)
The KB... Have to put the brakes on the Wake Relief...at least they are thru the sub gauntlet around Pearl. [image]local://upfiles/44178/D6300ABA244F40C2ACF21FF285542DF9.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:30:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Q-Ball Nice work, though I would never attempt a Wake Invasion at this point as Japan.....USN CVs are too close. That's one thing you lose by not doing a PH strike, Wake is easy to cover after PH because KB can just show up and scare everyone off on the way back to Truk +1

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:31:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesertWolf101 I'm confused why Scout is including AOs and TKs in or near the invasion convoys. One day might be a scouting error, but now this. I didn't even know you could put oilers into a Air Combat TF...I was going to check the manual.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:35:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy Do you intend to stay and finish cripples/fleeing ships? Heck no. In fact they are in kind of a bad way right now. They have 10/10 dl on them. Playing the Allies here early, is a lot like playing Japan late. And sticking around unless you have complete dominance is almost always a ticket to disaster.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/14/2020 12:46:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: apbarog Your aggressive actions will set the tone for the rest of the war. Your opponent will be more cautious, moving slower and committing more cover for his future moves. That's as big a success as the ships that your sinking and the ground troops that you are destroying. Nice work. Whether the attacks were successful or not, that is definitely a goal...buying time. Still, these are but pinpricks, just smoke and mirror meant to divert attention...the real damage to Japan currently is primarily logistical gaining time at Singers, Palembang, China. And should Lady Lex or Big E fall victim to the KB...but there is a lot of sea room, and I know when to run. Although oilers are all out of position there exists other options, options that started moving into place on the 9th.

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