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Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/25/2020 10:07:15 PM)
Allies are in good position to hit all these troops moving, except for the Guam force. [image]local://upfiles/44178/A5D328CAC00347C6B25DB0C2F5DCF82F.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/25/2020 10:08:33 PM)
No ships sunk, three IJN ships hit, cargo ships by P40e and a torpedo from a sub, and a Wirraway hit one at Kuching. [image]local://upfiles/44178/3CF8EFC403DA49319F704E180BDE2DCE.jpg[/image]

GetAssista -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/25/2020 10:28:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury EDIT: my game is Dababes, in which refineries don't generate supply... so you might need less, but still 200K or 300K is little #s for the Allies, even in early war Supply production does not matter here. Refineries dry down very quickly when enemy is in Palembang hex, burning down oil stocks in a matter of days. Yet Festung Palembang is nothing to scoff at surely. One of the main reasons for Japan to bring at least some carrier force in the DEI ASAP is to prevent this large scale reinforcement. Having KB away from action for so long is a grave mistake in the first couple months. It keeps Allies from moving around and consolidating somewhere in one of the sensitive spots. It should be running around acting as a hammer, not as a raider or ambusher

RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/25/2020 11:12:49 PM)
Maybe he is doing this game to see how he should play as Allies? [&:]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 12:02:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista One of the main reasons for Japan to bring at least some carrier force in the DEI ASAP is to prevent this large scale reinforcement. Having KB away from action for so long is a grave mistake in the first couple months. It keeps Allies from moving around and consolidating somewhere in one of the sensitive spots. It should be running around acting as a hammer, not as a raider or ambusher I am thinking about heavily reinforcing Singapore with the Palembang forces.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 12:34:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Maybe he is doing this game to see how he should play as Allies? [&:] But to be truthful, this isn't really how you should play as the Allies. [:)]

RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 1:14:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Maybe he is doing this game to see how he should play as Allies? [&:] But to be truthful, this isn't really how you should play as the Allies. [:)] +1 But it probably would drive a Japanese player to distraction and into making mistakes. [:D]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 12:00:51 PM)
Sending in Mauritius and some destroyers to nail unloading IJN ships... Still bombing Miri with no opposition, might as well continue.... Testing the DLs for the next phase after Marcus Island invasion... Sending Big E and Lady Lex to get system damage repaired from flank speed two day run...Saratoga assumes all front line responsibilities. Warspite will meet up the Hong Kong RN Desron, I will beef them up with some decent US destroyers. Will hold them off Marcus Island....looking to ambush a counter invasion there or at Wake. Probably give them 2-3 more Desrons and attack in echelon to steal a Jorge term.[;)] Should have plenty of time at Wake, no one day invasion will take that base even with the vaunted Japanese Amphibious bonus. Houston is at Darwin... Boise is headed for Seattle to repair system damage from flank speed run... Cats are flying out of Marcus...giving the Allies hopefully some solid intel.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 5:20:58 PM)
One of my favorite British Light Cruisers: Who can name her? No particular reason why I would put her up, not like she is going to be involved in anything. [image]local://upfiles/44178/7AFA0CF2B33D44A0BE6DE81F3FD3426A.jpg[/image]

BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 5:49:46 PM)
Sheffield or Jamaica? (heroes of the Barents Sea battle).

RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 7:06:24 PM)
Could that (gasp) be the Mauritius? The funnels appear different than the Town class.

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 7:18:36 PM)
a Southampton class? Birmingham or Glasgow? lol, the attached picture is named: Mauritius

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 7:26:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury a Southampton class? Birmingham or Glasgow? lol, the attached picture is named: Mauritius Winner, both you and Ranger I guess.[:D] I mentioned her in the previous post too. I think she connects this next turn.

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 7:35:40 PM)
It has 50 points of deck armor, which makes it (with some luck) capable to surviving 250kg bombs

Q-Ball -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/26/2020 8:35:18 PM)
That ship is a hidden gem in the early Allied inventory. Rapid-fire guns, good crew experience, and if you lose it.....hey, it has an early withdrawl date anyway![:D] I am literally watching a combat resolution right now where she is just wasting an invasion convoy

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 12:15:03 AM)
Dec 31, 1941 Georgetown falls... 9 more reported hits on Miri, oil down to 108 according to recon. [image]local://upfiles/44178/6CA68EEFFCEE481F93E8A7D4A897D6E4.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 12:21:16 AM)
It must be terrible for those Japanese soldiers, expecting a pleasure cruise when the British, Dutch, and Australians crash the party. [&o]

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 1:32:36 AM)
Congrats! with this defeat, he will have to delay for at least for a couple weeks; you can now guarantee total control of Palembang's approaches until sometime in late January big mistake for Japan... it is late December, and not even the mini KB in support of critical operations!

BBfanboy -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 4:41:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury Congrats! with this defeat, he will have to delay for at least for a couple weeks; you can now guarantee total control of Palembang's approaches until sometime in late January big mistake for Japan... it is late December, and not even the mini KB in support of critical operations! That could be the part of the "adventurous opening" some recent IJ players are thinking of but not thinking through. Charging off in a deep thrust on turn one means the critical first targets are not covered well enough. Lowpe seems to have seen these weaknesses coming from the pre-game discussions about how far the magic move TFs could go. The value of having played the IJ side for years is showing in his play as Allies now.

rustysi -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 6:02:09 AM)
quote: The value of having played the IJ side for years is showing in his play as Allies now. OK, but this goes way beyond that, where the hell is the Japanese navy? The world really does wonder.

Encircled -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 6:41:48 AM)
No SCTF? I mean, even if he puts two of those destroyers in a covering force, he's likely to get torpedo hits and potentially drive the allies off I'm starting to think that he hasn't thought through the rearming issues for the IJN in the DEI to be honest. Anyone want to bet he's not got his AKE (and don't Japan only get three or four at the start?) moving to CRB or similar yet?

GetAssista -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 10:43:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Encircled and don't Japan only get three or four at the start? You mean the single one? AKE Kashino starts in Hiroshima [:D]

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 1:01:56 PM)
This goes far beyond an adventurous opening, which it wasn't....it was a poor opening and Japan would have been better served changing only the Zeroes from strafe to 9k at Pearl than doing what they did. 2 clicks. Only the two Kongo fought...and they could be resupplied by moving naval supply from Saigon to Cam Ranh Bay. Anyhow, it is now Dec 31, and I there has been ample time to convert cargo ships to AKE in Saigon for example. Hong Kong has fallen, but Ichang and Foochow were both taken by the Chinese. There is no push on Sian, no push on Changsha, no push up out of Hong Kong. Wenchow is Chinese as is Chengchow [X(] and Loyang. Kavieng, Manus and Madang have been taken on New Guinea...plus Ocean, Nauru and Tulagi but there has been no explosion past them. Luzon is heavily invested, but there are no troops in Clark AFB or Manila yet... Miri and Brunei and Kuching have been taken, but there are no fighters there yet. 2-3 Search planes as far as I can tell. Miri has lost almost 50 oil to Dutch bombers now flying in the daytime. After the initial hunting of Lady Lex, the KB has gone dark, the Luzon portion of the KB dark after destroying the Hong Kong merchant ships. Japan has had three invasion forces with troops mauled...they have lost according to tracker almost 300 vp worth of ground forces. There have been 12 turns process, Japan is ahead in VP on 7 of them, the Allies 5. The West Coast is garrisoned, AA is arriving at Oz along with fighters supply and fuel. The Thundering Herd escaped almost intact. The Dutch and Oz ships are intact and safely tucked away. Palembang and Singapore are fortresses. Marcus Island has fallen, Midway is a resupplied fortified festung. Everywhere we look we see less than stellar play from task force composition, movement, air and sea losses, to airplane usage etc. Tell me, what could the KB and IJN warships be doing that could possibly merit this disaster for Japan? Only a true sacrifice that loses the queen to win the game would be worth it imho and that doesn't exist in this game.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 1:12:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista quote: ORIGINAL: Encircled and don't Japan only get three or four at the start? You mean the single one? AKE Kashino starts in Hiroshima [:D] I generally lose the Kashino early, pushing her too far forward.

RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 1:17:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Everywhere we look we see less than stellar play from task force composition, movement, air and sea losses, to airplane usage etc. Tell me, what could the KB and IJN warships be doing that could possibly merit this disaster for Japan? Only a true sacrifice that loses the queen to win the game would be worth it imho and that doesn't exist in this game. Well,then you can get a new queen, version 2.0. [:D] I think that the computer may even do a better opening and followup.

RADM.Yamaguchi -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 2:12:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe This goes far beyond an adventurous opening, which it wasn't....it was a poor opening and Japan would have been better served changing only the Zeroes from strafe to 9k at Pearl than doing what they did. 2 clicks. "Based on what i have read about you and the questions asked over there it might be very important for some of the veterans to help him" this looked like a titanic mismatch from the very begining.

Lowpe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 3:06:25 PM)
Well, if this game does fizzle...I have Lok to fall back on, but as the Empire.[:)] I have also been offered to play NJP42, who tells me he has devised a super aggressive Japanese AV strategy that would be very entertaining. He is a veteran of many campaigns to the bitter end, one against my first opponent Tiemanj and two against Wargamr, and another against NYGiants. He has been known to attack the Soviets, too for you bloodthirsty types. Pretty sure I will start reinforcing Singers heavily, it is what Winston would want us to do.[;)]

witpqs -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 3:40:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe for you bloodthirsty types You mean all of us? [:D]

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 3:53:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe This goes far beyond an adventurous opening, which it wasn't....it was a poor opening and Japan would have been better served changing only the Zeroes from strafe to 9k at Pearl than doing what they did. 2 clicks. Only the two Kongo fought...and they could be resupplied by moving naval supply from Saigon to Cam Ranh Bay. Anyhow, it is now Dec 31, and I there has been ample time to convert cargo ships to AKE in Saigon for example. Hong Kong has fallen, but Ichang and Foochow were both taken by the Chinese. There is no push on Sian, no push on Changsha, no push up out of Hong Kong. Wenchow is Chinese as is Chengchow [X(] and Loyang. Kavieng, Manus and Madang have been taken on New Guinea...plus Ocean, Nauru and Tulagi but there has been no explosion past them. Luzon is heavily invested, but there are no troops in Clark AFB or Manila yet... Miri and Brunei and Kuching have been taken, but there are no fighters there yet. 2-3 Search planes as far as I can tell. Miri has lost almost 50 oil to Dutch bombers now flying in the daytime. After the initial hunting of Lady Lex, the KB has gone dark, the Luzon portion of the KB dark after destroying the Hong Kong merchant ships. Japan has had three invasion forces with troops mauled...they have lost according to tracker almost 300 vp worth of ground forces. There have been 12 turns process, Japan is ahead in VP on 7 of them, the Allies 5. The West Coast is garrisoned, AA is arriving at Oz along with fighters supply and fuel. The Thundering Herd escaped almost intact. The Dutch and Oz ships are intact and safely tucked away. Palembang and Singapore are fortresses. Marcus Island has fallen, Midway is a resupplied fortified festung. Everywhere we look we see less than stellar play from task force composition, movement, air and sea losses, to airplane usage etc. Tell me, what could the KB and IJN warships be doing that could possibly merit this disaster for Japan? Only a true sacrifice that loses the queen to win the game would be worth it imho and that doesn't exist in this game. Where are his divisions? a good way of defining where is Japan's expansion interest is to look for the vast, but finite number of available, uncommitted divisions how many are in Malaya, Luzon, HK? how many are still not accounted for? for my game, I counted these: [image]local://upfiles/41287/70A6429557B049E7A5073B24A82BBB45.jpg[/image]

rustysi -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (8/27/2020 6:36:27 PM)
quote: You mean the single one? AKE Kashino starts in Hiroshima True, but being aware of this means you plan accordingly. BTW, there's at least one other that will convert in a very sort time.

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