Korsun today, tomorrow Stalingrad?

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Jacko -> Korsun today, tomorrow Stalingrad? (8/10/2003 3:52:05 AM)
Although I think the battle of Korsun has been chosen rightfully, since it is a very interesting episod of the Eastern Front, I wonder whether there are any other planes for this series (if I may call it that after two battles). The battle of Stalingrad (especially after the encirclement of the 6th Army) would be another great choice. I know it is way too early, but are there any future plans and if so, is Stalingrad an option?

Titan -> (8/10/2003 4:34:01 AM)
citdal would be my choice

sol_invictus -> (8/10/2003 5:48:33 AM)
Kharkov or Velikye Luki.:)

Fallschirmjager -> (8/10/2003 5:58:30 AM)
Im wanting stalingrad too Boat transport would have to be added Or Sevestapol ( I think I spelled that right) Underlooked battle..I think it would be fun

Rob Gjessing -> (8/10/2003 6:16:00 AM)
Dont want to get into too much trouble for leaking information, but yes there are other plans for other games in the series, the next one will be Battles in Normandy, and I have also seen some maps and builds of other battles too.. all Im going to say is that the Starlingrad Map looks pretty **** nice :)

Fallschirmjager -> (8/10/2003 6:18:58 AM)
NOOOOOO Please no I am so sick of Normandy I believe I have played that **** battle in every possible way there is to play the thing If you want to do west front...how about the Med? It never gets any attention

Rob Gjessing -> (8/10/2003 6:22:05 AM)
Yeah but you havent played it using the DBWWII engine.. :) Who knows that Italy wont sprout up..?!?

Fallschirmjager -> (8/10/2003 6:56:10 AM)
By the time Italy comes 25 more games about Normandy will have also :D

Wallenstein -> (8/10/2003 1:35:43 PM)
Hmm, a few suggestions: -) the Kiev - ****omir area 1943/44 -) Kharkov 1943 -) the German relief attempts of Budapest 1945 and their last offensive in the east: "Frühlingserwachen" -) Operation Nordwind 1945 -) Yes, Citadel 1943 would be nice as well I fully agree with Fallschirmjaeger, the battle for Normandy has been covered by sooooo many games, I think I know every tree there in 1944...but I realise that a wargame featuring D-Day has a better chance to become a commercial success than any other battlefield. In general, I like games with much movement, where both side have to master offensive and defensive tasks with- so Italy would seem to be a little boring to me...

Rob Gjessing -> (8/10/2003 2:41:38 PM)
Anzio was one of my favourite scenarios under the old Battlefront System from SSG.. its was great..

Jacko -> (8/10/2003 3:24:07 PM)
Stalingrad would offer the opportunity to see whether the 6th Army could have launched a succesfull breakout. That operation alone would be so complex that it would be a feast for military gamers. Personaly I love those " what-if"- situations, as long as it feel realistic. So I'm definitely hoping for Stalingrad. Normandy will be welcome as well. Especially the first 24 hours are fascinating. And let's be realistic, it would sell well and whether we like it or not that is still the most important factor. But first I will concentrate on Korsun and I'm preparing myself by reading Douglas E. Nash excellent book " Hell's Gate" which I can recommend to everyone who is searching for a good book on the subject.

Marc von Martial -> (8/10/2003 5:56:10 PM)
[QUOTE]the German relief attempts of Budapest 1945 and their last offensive in the east: "Frühlingserwachen"[/QUOTE] My grandpa got captured in that campaign by the russians. He "stayed" five more years with them then .... I personally am looking forward to a "Normandy" sequel. I personally would love to see a France 1940 campaign.

Titan -> (8/10/2003 6:17:46 PM)
Another which would be very interesting would be operation Typhoon,it would could be a real thriller for the Germans to do better than they did historically,and it is a battle that is not depicted to often

Paratrooper -> (8/10/2003 7:51:18 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rob Gjessing [B]Dont want to get into too much trouble for leaking information, but yes there are other plans for other games in the series, the next one will be Battles in Normandy, and I have also seen some maps and builds of other battles too.. all Im going to say is that the Starlingrad Map looks pretty **** nice :) [/B][/QUOTE] I'd buy it BUT only if it includes: Cobra Charnwood Goodwood Falaise Gap Be nice if it included a bonus Anvil campaign also. ;)

mariovalleemtl -> !!! (8/10/2003 9:43:41 PM)
Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Please. mv :)

"Joss" Osborne -> Deutsche Afrika Korps (8/10/2003 10:20:56 PM)
You mean something like this?:D [IMG]http://www.blitzkriegdesign.com/dak1.jpg[/IMG]

Von Rom -> Re: !!! (8/10/2003 10:41:57 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mario Vallée [B]Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Rommel in North Affrica ! Please. mv :) [/B][/QUOTE] That's also my choice. The full North African campaign. . . Cheers!

PeterF -> (8/10/2003 10:42:11 PM)
[QUOTE]Rommel in North Affrica ![/QUOTE] etc. These games seem rather better suited to theaters with well defined frontages; slogging matches as it were, like Normandy (except Cobra). The war in N Africa was very supply centered and fluid. I'm not sure it would make a good matchup. What we need are early war scenarios! Like Barbarossa, over-worked in the past, true, but not recently.

"Joss" Osborne -> (8/10/2003 11:24:42 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PeterF [B]etc. These games seem rather better suited to theaters with well defined frontages; slogging matches as it were, like Normandy (except Cobra). The war in N Africa was very supply centered and fluid. I'm not sure it would make a good matchup. What we need are early war scenarios! Like Barbarossa, over-worked in the past, true, but not recently. [/B][/QUOTE] There appears to be somewhat of a limitation in map size to try and do something like Barbarossa. Unless I'm missing something max size of the map is 66 x 48 hexes whic would equate to 198 km by 144 km not big enough to do Barbarossa. It would seem to me that the game is best suited for small "campaigns" like Operation Crusader, Kursk, El Alamein...those kinds of engagements rather than large "fronts". I agree the "War in North Africa" would be too large for this scale, but Operation Crusader, Compass, Gazala...etc might fit the bill.

Toxie -> (8/11/2003 5:43:43 AM)
Speaking of Normandy games we've all played. I love to see Patton's breakout, Cobra. That's rarely covered, if at all except there was a boardgame of that a long time ago and it was great. I think this system would be good for this operation. Toxie

Rob Gjessing -> (8/11/2003 3:43:57 PM)
Any limitations in terms of map size would be overcome. Like I have said before, whilst I dont speak for SSG, I understand that they have some big plans here.. dependent on how well KP sells I spose.. so buy one for yourself, one for your girlfriend (she'd be the perfect woman is she played too right? :D), one for your dad, one for your grandpa and one for the next door neighours dog.. Oh yeah.. "Joss".. your image made me laugh.. :)

Vasquez -> (8/11/2003 5:23:42 PM)
No, please not a african scenario this is boring :p I would like: A full east front campaign :eek: :) If not posible ;) : 1. Stalingrad/Caucasus 2. D-Day/Normandie 3. Zitadelle (Kursk) maybe including the Orel area. "Die Höhen von Seelow" (04/1945) would also nice or a italy campaign or so. But russian front is still the best and most interesting.

Capitaine -> (8/11/2003 6:11:20 PM)
For Barbarossa, you could divide it up: AGN, AGC and AGS. It's really an exciting situation. I'd also like a France 1940 operation. Some folks had mentioned that Crete and/or a N. Afrika operation originally were considered to be included w/ KP. Crete and, of course, N. Afrika would be awesome. So would Sicily, for that matter... =P

"Joss" Osborne -> (8/11/2003 8:43:25 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rob Gjessing [B]Any limitations in terms of map size would be overcome. Like I have said before, whilst I dont speak for SSG, I understand that they have some big plans here.. dependent on how well KP sells I spose.. so buy one for yourself, one for your girlfriend (she'd be the perfect woman is she played too right? :D), one for your dad, one for your grandpa and one for the next door neighours dog.. Oh yeah.. "Joss".. your image made me laugh.. :) [/B][/QUOTE] This is good to hear, as I'm actively soliciting all my SPWAW friends to buy,buy buy! :D For those who don't know, the image I posted is from my first exploratory bumblings with the editor. :) For those of you with questions...yes, you can create you're own tile sets (Photoshop is NOT included :)) .... Yes, you can create your own countries and units! There is a nice OOB creator buried inside. Yes, the editor is not documented and Roger has promised us more with Normandy game, but after having spent weeks with an undocumented editor in the game "Bltzkrieg" this wasn't such a mystery. Though there are some quirks.....;)

Kent Pfeiffer -> (8/12/2003 10:12:13 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Titan [B]Another which would be very interesting would be operation Typhoon,it would could be a real thriller for the Germans to do better than they did historically,and it is a battle that is not depicted to often [/B][/QUOTE] That one would be at the top of my list. It has two great things going for it: the two sides are fairly evenly matched and it's one of the very few single operations that could have changed the outcome of the war. It's surprising that Typhoon is so rarely depicted in computer wargames, especially since some of the best board wargames ever made, like SPI's Operation Typhoon, GMT's Typhoon!, and The Gamers' Guderian's Blitzkrieg cover it.

Henri -> (8/12/2003 10:40:33 PM)
Roger Keating has already leaked on a Wargamer AAR that the next game after Normandy will be Barbarossa. I will prefer the latter, since Normandy invasion games are my least favorite games. Barbarossa at the Division level as planned is good, although I prefer a corps level game a la The Russian Campaign. I think that the suggestion for a France 1940 game is a good one. One problem with the excellent TAO is that the Germans have no chance at all (as historically) of reaching Liege, even against the most incompetent play. There should be an option for "unrealistic" results that cold be fun. I can't comment on this aspect of Korsun Pocket, since so far I have played only the ahistgorical "Wiking Whiteout" addon scenario (see my AAR on the war-historical usenet forum). henri

elmo3 -> (8/12/2003 11:17:19 PM)
Can you post a link for that AAR Henri? I can't find it at their site. Thanks.

Spaceman -> (8/13/2003 12:32:56 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kent Pfeiffer [B]That one would be at the top of my list. It has two great things going for it: the two sides are fairly evenly matched and it's one of the very few single operations that could have changed the outcome of the war. It's surprising that Typhoon is so rarely depicted in computer wargames, especially since some of the best board wargames ever made, like SPI's Operation Typhoon, GMT's Typhoon!, and The Gamers' Guderian's Blitzkrieg cover it. [/B][/QUOTE] Got The Gamer's Guderian II recently, GREAT fun. Would make a good WG and have considered doing parts with the Editor ?! The Gamers's Operational Combat Series treats the situations interestingly. One could in principle do DBWWII on any of the OCS games. A question though - great to see the decisive battles done well with this engine, but perhaps would be good to not simply do all the HPS games again, but deal with less well covered ones instead. Tunisia is a great match, even with a lot of opportunities... Hube's Pocket would eb interesting and contemporary with Khorsun (similar balance, familiar to Korsun players) - am tentatively going to do this one with the Editor Kiev/Zhitomir also interesting. Post-Kursk Ukraine - tough for the Germans. Can you do as well as von Manstein? Italy has not been covered enough by board or PC games. My €0.04 Cheers Space§man

Henri -> (8/13/2003 12:46:29 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by elmo3 [B]Can you post a link for that AAR Henri? I can't find it at their site. Thanks. [/B][/QUOTE] [url]www.wargamer.com/wachtamrhein[/url] Click on replays on the left menu and choose the top one. In fact it is a replay of The Ardennes Offensive version that comes with KP, but this new version has the same engine. Keating's comment about Barbarossa is in the comments of one of the early turns. And it was written some time ago... Henri

elmo3 -> (8/13/2003 12:57:33 AM)
tanks P.S. - Never did find the comment. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what is after Normandy. :) I'm hoping Stalingrad myself.

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